I had not read your private message. If I had I would not have responded so angrily.
It’s all good. I am not your enemy. I will the best for you and your Wife.
I am INSTANTLY new. Please, look into, and pray to, Fr. Nelson Baker. This sure to be saint, will embrace you with the love of Our Lady Of Victory, not platitudes, … , belief, … , in Him and her. I will pray for you both.
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After re-reading this entire thread I am secure in the judgement that I have said exactly what I needed to say and exactly what was true. Not one single negative response to me was good enough to refute or discredit or disprove anything I have said. This conversation has been important to me because it has demonstrated and affirmed to me that I am essentially correct and true in my convictions and beliefs about all of this.
This is how your post comes off (and maybe you cannot see it). “I am right, because I am right. Nothing you have said has convinced me that I am not right. Because everything that I have said is right. And it makes me right, because it makes me feel right. So, I am right. Very, very right. And you are wrong, because I am right. So, don’t tell me I am wrong, because I am right. Super—duper—right. And you are wrong. Right” : )
I don’t think we want to go down this road of saying anything that Jesus did not explicitly answer is therefore good, will not lead to good things. The conversations could get very dark pretty quickly if we entertain this theological heresy.
I agree, if open to life and unitive (see one of my early responses).
I just realized that you were responding to @Soul, so I will “C” my way out of this “A-B” Conversation ; )
“Lets not engage in verbal acrobatics and deceitful reasoning”. I suggest you reread this sentence of yours and consider your own posts in this light.
No, but I bet yours is through the roof! Only erigant people have to tell you how high their IQ is.
But, for entertainment purposes, share with everyone here what your IQ is. Also, share with us where you were tested for IQ. Was it done by a University, on a Buzz-Feed article, Facebook link, an App, or somewhere a little more reputable?
And I asked you yours ; ) I don’t know my IQ, sorry.
About 50 years ago a friend was learning, as part of her job, to give IQ tests. To help her, I let her administer the test to me. One of the questions showed an ocean liner with everything from the top deck upwards cut off. What was missing? Lifeboats, I answered. Wrong! Smokestacks were missing, according to the IQ test. But modern ocean liners are often diesel-powered and have one small stack, whereas they all have lifeboats. I have had no confidence in IQ tests since then.
Ha-Ha! 
That is funny! 
What is your number (your intelligence quotient number that is)?? And where did you have this test done? You still have not answered.
I got my IQ number out of a Cracker Jack box ; )
While we’re on the subject of crackers, do you believe in the racist bell-curve theory? Because I do not.
Historically these were some of the classification levels lower on the IQ scale:
- Idiot: An IQ of 0–25, considered the most severe level.
- Imbecile: An IQ of 26–50, the intermediate level.
- Moron: An IQ of 51–70, the highest-functioning level of what was then classified as low IQ.
I’ve been called all three of these, so where I exactly fall is bit cloudy.
It’s been a long time since I posted here but I feel I must post an update. I recently had a fertility test and my vasectomy was a success. My marital life has returned to normal. My relationship with my wife is again happy. I no longer have to worry about her being killed by another pregnancy. We now attend a large evangelical church in northern Illinois (Willow Creek Community church). The most important take away for me from this entire thing is that Catholic “teaching” on the subject of birth control is complete and utter nonsense. After doing some research on this subject I was surprised to learn that over 90% of american catholic women have, at one time or another, practiced artificial birth control. One can only wonder how long it will take the church to wake up and accept the truth.
First, I am glad that you and your Wife are doing well.
Interesting choice of words. If 99.999999999999999999% of Christians believed something to be morally acceptable, it would not make it, therefore, good nor true.
I’m glad you are still going to a Church at least, even if it is one that tells you what you want to hear : ) I used to attend a non-Denominational Church (Crossroads Community Church), but as my walk with Christ matured, I began to find the message to be fluffy. I Pray that God will lead you to a deeper relationship with Jesus and that you will follow Him and all of His ways. He has so much more to offer you than coffee, donuts, praise-rock, lighting effects, and a stage built for a band and the Pastor. But, your journey is yours to take.
Thanks for the update, even if it was just to spike on the Catholic Christian Faith ; )
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Thank you for your thoughtful response.
It sounds to me as if you simply handpicked a subject on faith and morality and used it as a vehicle for argument on a Catholic website.
God’s Church is not a product for choice in a supermarket. Protestant means going against the faith of the Church, not being more in align with it.
If the subject is true and this is what you are your wife are going through then two points become apparent:
- That you are wishing to be more seriously involved with God and His Church, known by the very fact that you asked the question.
- You are your wife are in a juncture where you can choose to make that happen and right in the beating heart of your life - your marriage.
My answer: If you are not prepared to listen to advice on this forum from practicing Catholics then make an appointment to visit a Catholic priest and discuss your entire situation with him.
“I think for myself not to come up with my own teaching but to make the Church’s teaching my own,” wrote Richard John Neuhaus (a Lutheran pastor who became a Catholic priest) in Catholic Matters. Difficulties with teachings are “not necessarily a problem. The problem arises when we assume that the problem is with the teaching and not with ourselves.”
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I have talked to a priest and discussed our situation with him. As I have stated previously on this thread he was very understanding and told us that our decision on this matter was our own business and that whatever we decided we would be welcomed into our local congregation and no more questions would be asked.
I would say that the problem arises when we assume that the problem is with ourselves and not with the “teaching”.
“it sounds to me as if you simply handpicked a subject on faith and morality and used it as a vehicle for argument on a catholic website”. So in your opinion would this make my argument false?