Before my Wife and I were Married, we talked about welcoming NFP into our Covenant when we would become Husband and Wife.
Has it always been easy? No. Has it been a Blessing to our Marriage, Yes.
We have friends who were Married around the same time we were and though they have five children, began contracepting and now their Marriage is crumbling. Please keep them in your Prayers.
very happy for you.Prayers for you…
Hehehehehe… Welp… We did the required classes before our marriage and we were tracking her cycle but she wanted our first child IMMEDIATELY!
So we only tracked about 3 months total…
But I’m glad we did because a lot of people forget that NFP isn’t only about NOT having kids, it actually helped us take the guess work out of when she was most likely to conceive so we could build a solid roadmap for her pregnancy and properly prepare for our first child.
Seriously, I don’t know why more people don’t use NFP. It’s easy and you don’t have to spend money or put drugs into your body.
I like R&B music and I will sometimes listen to a radio channel that switches over from music to talk radio in the afternoon. They had someone on who stressed how women (specifically black women) should stop putting chemicals in their hair! Then later on the same show, in a different segment, the host encouraged young woman to get on the pill. So, don’t put the chemicals in your hair, it is unhealthy, but do put chemicals into your body. Women’s health is confusing to me.
But then again, health advice in general is convoluted. One day coffee and eggs are good for you, the next they are bad for you, until they are good for you again. And then they are not.
I am glad that my Wife and I decided to practice NFP. It really has helped us to trust & respect one another more fully and it does not impede God’s design of a woman’s body.
It is funny that so far no females have chimed in on this conversation. Wives, we’d love to hear your honest perspective : )
The crumbling of their marriage has nothing to do with contraception. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Please stop advising and lying to people. Your “advice” is worse than no advice at all.
I believe it contributed. If you look at the statistics of couples who us NFP compared to those who use artificial means, the divorce rate among Married couples who use NFP is around 5% (which is very low).
If you have data that suggest that couples who contracept or break themselves are more likely to remain faithful to their vows, then I’m open to hearing it.
I can laugh along with ShotClocker. My wife and I got married in our 60s. We each had been married before, widowed, and had adult children. In marriage prep, we were required to complete the part on natural family planning, also the one for military families. And my wife is good at giving stupid answers to stupid questions. One time I found a tiny sock in our laundry. “Why do we have a baby sock in the laundry?” I asked her. “Are you pregnant?” She answered yes. 
I must commend you for remaining respectful throughout our entire conversation. Most catholic speakers do not do this. My compliments.
I appreciate that. I have learned that we do not change hearts and minds by being disrespectful. It also comes with spiritual maturity. The Bible talks a lot about how not to speak and about taming our tongues. I have my moments, just like anyone else, where an insult is too good not to post, but generally, I try to keep my emotions in check. If I do decide to post an insult, it isn’t out of anger, but for my own amusement.
I am not an empathetic person by default, so I find it helps to Pray for the individual(s) I am dialoguing with. It is hard to get mad at someone when you “will the good of another.”
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe that all of this was by design. If you actually look into the history of birth control, you’ll find that many of the early promoters were involved in movements supporting eugenics and also tested their chemical products on people living in mental asylums specifically to sterilize the “undesirables” of society who would “stop human progress” with their “defective genetics.” It really is horrifying. There is a war on humanity going on, and part of this is a war on fertility and a war on health in general. The beauty industry also plays into this: in addition to all the toxic ingredients in certain products, the industry also promotes things like Botox, which is literally a neurotoxin.
Birth control is their lazy bandage now. Long periods? Birth control. Weight loss or gain? Birth control. Bad cramps? Birth control. No period? Birth control. PCOS? Birth control.
And Botox was invented to help with medical problems and then someone had the brilliant idea to use it as a plumper and wrinkle stretcher and now most people don’t actually use it for its intended purpose.
I know this is getting off-topic, but I used to work with a guy from India and we always had some of the best and honest conversations. He told me that in India, the women will get together in their homes and have Botox Parties where they would inject each other in the face (like we have Tupperware Patties here in the Divided States of America : )
Oh that happens in the US too. Especially among the richer class or the Mormons.
Were you at one time LDS? How did you come to this conclusion? Mitt Romney looks like he injects Botox, but that is just speculation on my part : )
I watch a lot of reality TV and there’s a lot of “day in the life” stuff sometimes or literally just a TV show following these people’s lives and the church of the Latter Day Saints or ex Mormons have A LOT of Botox in them because they believe they have to achieve their highest self and apparently that includes your appearances.
Additionally, once you start Botox, apparently you can form a real addiction to it so a lot of them are addicted which can lead to Botox parties lol.
I’m pretty sure this is not official LDS teaching.
Most LDS do not drink Caffeine, so I’m pretty sure that if Botox was addictive (and it might be), they would presumably avoid Botox as well. My guess is that reality Mormons are not good examples of what it means to be LDS.
You also need to be careful not to confuse the LDS with Fundamentalist Mormons group, which have broken off from the LDS (these are the ones who believe in having many wives and sleeping with children).
My Wife and I watch “Married at First Sight” and the majority of individuals who claim to be Christian are very loosely Christen (if I had to describe it). There are a few good ones, but for the most part, not so much.
I recall a Season of MTV’s “The Real World” (Season 9) had a Mormon and a Catholic. Julie Stoffer was kicked out of Brigham Young University after the show aired. Matt Smith became the webmaster for Catholic Life Teen after going on the show. Both were good examples of being young and living in the world, but not of the world (John 15:19; Romans 12:2). These two got along quite well, because they both shared a love of Jesus Christ.
Julie left the LDS Faith after being kicked out of College and treated poorly by fellow LDS. And as I said, she was not a bad girl.
Matt is still Catholic and has seven children. He was a really cool guy. He had his own fashion and was into custom bicycles and cars. He wasn’t trying to be like everyone else or fit in. He was unique.
The Kardashians are Armenian Orthodox and I would not base what Armenian Orthodox Christians believe based on how the Kardashians live their lives.
I am not sure why you are trying to debate me when this is not a topic up for debate and I was simply just dropping some interesting tidbits of info. Even the Mormons websites have links to makeup and such. I am very specifically talking about the Church of Latter Day Saints and not the hyper religious sects of Mormons. The hyper religious sects are less into physical appearance and more into popping out tons of kids. This link might be helpful
While Mormons claim to reject things that are addictive, they still drink massive amounts of soda which is also addictive and love inhaling things like laughing gas since it’s not in their rules. They even engage in sexual immorality such as “soaking”. As this is a Catholic forum, I won’t tell you what that is but you can look it up. They believe it’s okay.
Anyone on TV shows like Married At First Sight are definitely not following their faith unless they’re atheist or something. Im definitely not referring to that. I’m referring more to shows like The Housewives of Salt Lake City or the Shows that interview Mormons and ex Mormons.
I’m not sure who Matt or Julie are. I haven’t really heard of them. And I don’t watch the Kardashians, they were mocked so much in my childhood that I knew pretty quickly I wouldn’t be interested in watching/supporting them as an adult.
EDIT: tho to be fair, even on Housewives, they aren’t really following their faith. But there’s plenty of information in there.
I’m not debating you : ) I just know how Catholic Christians portrayed and all the misconceptions said about what we believe. I have LDS friends and I give them the same respect that I expect from others.
Funny thing about the article you posted. Most of the YouTube channels that my daughter watches are Mormon Families and I don’t mind, because they are genuinely good and moral Families. What I have to watch out for is the trash that the YouTube algorithm tries to suggest she watch! I think Mormons support other Mormons and it helps their algorithm (as long as there is consistency in their posting). I feel like some of them are starting to get burnt out. Their videos are beginning to lack content and I can’t blame them. It would be rough to film and edit content when you don’t feel like it or when you are feeling a little off or losing creativity.
When the article mentioned that they have a section on the official Website dedicated to beauty techniques, I thought of the crossing guards in North Korea. There is hardly any traffic, but they have these crossing guards who could be models (because they pretty much are).
I listen to a Podcast where one of the hosts is a former Mormon and she had never heard of soąking until her “Catholic” guest brought it up. I say Catholic in quotes, because he was very ignorant of his own Faith. Much of what he said about Catholics was false, so I would not trust his take of Mormonism either. That girl on “The Real World” got kicked out of BYU, because she was on a show where she was living with other boys. I’m pretty sure that if you are not allowed to live in a house with boys that soąking is not morally acceptable.
Right. Unless one differentiates civil “marriage” from “Sacramental Marriage.” Then I could see where one might be able to justify it. Or they are non-Denominational and do not see being Married in a Church a standard to be upheld.
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I’m referring more to shows like The Housewives of Salt Lake City or the Shows that interview Mormons and ex Mormons.
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Again, you need to be careful when it comes to ex-anything. Many ex-Catholics have no clue what they are talking about. Just because they went to Catholic School does not mean their child-like minds understood half of what they were taught. My co-worker had an ex-Catholic in her Protestant Woman’s Bible Group and she would tell me the things this lady told her that Catholics believe and they were all false. She even told her that Catholic do not believe in the Bible, which is hilarious, because Protestants would not have the Bible if not for the Catholic Church. Sure they would find manuscripts while excavating, but Protestants would not believe that it is the inspired Word of God if not for the Early Church Fathers.
I do find it interesting that the “Prophet” Joseph Smith claims that the the Early Church went apostate soon after the death of the last Apostle, but have the same Canon of the Bible as the Protestants (with the exception of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price, etc.) I would love to know how he came to the conclusion. I started reading some of the Mormon Scriptures and plan to finish, but I do recall Joseph Smith railing about how much he did not like the Methodists. My guess is that he got his Canon of the Bible form the reformers, but this is just speculation on my part.
We are way off-topic here. I will start a thread about this and hope that some knowledgeable LDS individual stumbles upon it and can clarify : )
I have a lot I could say to this but I understand this has pretty much nothing to do with the thread so I’ll stop here as well.
You forgot one: acne. And that topic is a whole can of worms in itself, given that it reveals just how horrible modern Western diets are. There are much better ways of treating acne other than messing up one’s hormones even more with the pill.