What is lacking in the Church?

Catholic Living Spirituality
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Well, in my previous quote I made a few guesses such as “shapeshifting” or “morphing.” I don’t think of God as myself, otherwise I would not have made the suggestion such as morphing or shapeshifting. If it helps, I can change the word “people” to “beings” if that helps.

I think you were more focused on the family example, which is fine, but we’re talking about a spirit (with the exception of Jesus Christ who is God and Man at the same time), but I guess since Jesus is no longer here but is body and soul up in Heaven, then it’s still confusing.

So basically, after reading your responses and the encyclopedia you posted, then I suppose there’s not a word that describes how God can be 3 people in 1. He just IS, which still makes no sense to me, cause I don’t see how a spirit can be 3 other spirits but still 1 spirit. Like the math isn’t making sense to me, which is why I only worship 1 God. I never could get behind this idea of 3 beings being 1 being.

But, in all fairness, that’s not an easy question to answer either. So, let’s go onto the next question…

Am I going to Hell?

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It’s just like I said before. It’s like the parable of the rich man saying from the afterlife, “if only my brothers could see someone come back from the dead.” If you were earnest in your questions, you would find the answers, and it’s because you aren’t that you don’t. It doesn’t matter what you can and can’t “get behind”, the truth doesn’t work that way.

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But, just from a worship standpoint, it doesn’t make sense. So, we’re supposed to only worship God right? We’re to only worship God, not anyone else. So, how am I supposed to reconcile worshipping 1 God, when God can be 2 other beings at any given point in time? The reason why I arrived at worshipping just 1 God and not Jesus or the Holy Spirit, is because that makes better sense. I can for sure worship 1 God as long as it’s 1 God. I mean, my soul is on the line right? And I mean, what we do now is going to dictate what happens after we die. I’d rather worship the right way so I have a better chance at going to Heaven. I am being earnest in my questions cause if I was to be a Catholic again, I would want to get to Heaven. So are you saying that if someone worshipped God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, or all 3, that they’re going to Heaven?

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If worshiping all 3 is fine, then great. But, it’s my innerstanding that there is only 1 God.

You think this question is silly, but when I was a Catholic, I took my religion pretty seriously. I wanted to get to Heaven, and part of getting to Heaven is worshipping 1 God and not idols right?

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Let me put it to you this way, if your soul is “on the line” it would be for trying to be tricky and say “see, I got you, that doesn’t make sense and so you’re the one who’s going to hell for believing what doesn’t make sense.”

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You honestly think that? That I’m trying to be tricky? Remember that for a while I thought I was going to Hell and that it didn’t matter what good or bad that I did, I thought “Well, I’m just going to Hell so, why does it matter if I do anything good or anything bad for that matter.” You think I honestly wanna go back to that miserable way of living? You think I desire to go back and be a Catholic after what I’ve been through? Your talking to someone who just wants to know the truth. I have told people that if the truth is accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and taking up my cross and going to Church, and receiving his body and blood, etc…etc… then I will gladly do that. But if I’m going to go back to Catholicism, which has been nothing but a traumatic experience for me, I wanna get it right this next time.

You obviously have never been in my position when I was a Catholic. To me these questions are important, cause I want to follow them by the book. I’ve fallen for too many lies, I’m done with lies, and even half-truths at this point. Either give me the full-truth, or don’t bother….

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What you are is worse than your depiction of being Catholic. I don’t really believe you ever were Catholic, that’s where we are right now.

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Well then if you truly don’t believe I was Catholic at one point, then maybe you’re not the one I should be asking these questions too. Which is fine, but don’t expect me to give you easy questions. These are hard hitting questions, but I just want the truth…and lemme tell you, what I found out not only makes so much more sense, but I don’t have doubts anymore, because with the amount of evidence I was shown and the exercises I did to test whether or not this person was telling me the truth or not, it seems to me that I have found the actual truth. I’m on here, cause I’m not going to lie, Catholicism from what I’ve researched is the closest thing to the truth I’m going to get religion-wise, but there’s a few hiccups here and there, and so I’m here hoping to maybe find the missing pieces. If not, it’s no big deal, but I can hope.

But, you’re not convinced, which is fine. I realize that my case was a special case and not every Catholic has these doubts. One of my Catholic friends said she never has any doubts, so it works for some people. My Mom found God through Catholicism, and it’s changed her. She still struggles a bit, but, she’s doing like 1,000 times better than she was for the greater 60+ years she’s lived on this Earth. But now she’s doing much better because of Catholicism.

But anyways, thanks for at least trying to hear me out. But, I’m a special case, and I just want the truth.

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I have trust issues, that happens when I make myself too important to be fooled. I don’t think your hurdle is a lack of an answer to your questions, I think that you have been duped by the error of modernism which places the self as the point of reference for truth. The truth doesn’t ask your permission to be, the truth IS and we have it’s permission to be. The Trinity of God in Oneness of Substance is a simple truth with far reaching implications, and it isn’t threatened because you doubt it, but instead if you find your intuition to be contrary to this truth, take it as a sign that you need to work on your intuition.

Yes, you will go to hell if you die today but not because you ask questions or struggle with dogma but because you are not fulfilling your obligation to attend mass on Sunday and have not confessed your failure to do so. It is also sin to persist in error, yes, and mortal sin to do so knowingly.

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This has nothing to do with modernism, but everything to do with the United States Military telling me, along with about 4,000 other people, what they are hiding from the public. Ever heard of a Q Security Clearance? It’s the highest Security Clearance one can have in the United States Military, and all of us were given evidence from a 4 Star General who has evidence of everything we were shown. And I mean, we were shown a LOT!

The truth is a lot uglier than you’ve been led to believe my friend. A lot uglier. You think our world is in a bad state now, unless you were shown what me and 4,000 other people were shown, trust me you haven’t seen nothing yet….

Don’t worry, been sharpening my intuition for a while now.

Well, before I talk about this, do you believe The Bible to be the Word of God?

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Mortal sin involves full consent of the will and understanding that something is seriously wrong. We are not to judge, and saying that a person will go to hell (or heaven) is judging. The Bible says that people look at appearances, but God looks into the heart.

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Well, in his defense, I know I judge too. And just because I’m not a part of any particular religion doesn’t mean I should do the same. But at the same time, I try to go by the Golden Rule (which originated from The Bible). It’s only when someone treats me bad is when I treat them bad back, because the way I interpret that is someone wants to be treated poorly, otherwise they wouldn’t have treated me poorly.

But hey, I’m open to a discussion about this. Let’s hear him out, maybe there’s something I’m missing here.

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He asked me if he would go to hell today, and gave me the information I needed to give him that answer. Would you rather check a box that says “I didn’t judge anyone today” or would it be more charitable to say what is the likely truth for a soul that might be damned if he doesn’t hear it?

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And besides that, aren’t you being a hypocrite, judging me for what I am saying? Or is there some loophole you have for yourself, that judging is OK when it’s to stop judging from happening?

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Can we get back to what you were saying, cause this involves the state of my soul. So do you believe that The Bible is the Word of God?

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Are those the only two choices?

“And besides that, aren’t you being a hypocrite, judging me for what I am saying? Or is there some loophole you have for yourself, that judging is OK when it’s to stop judging from happening?”

No, I am not judging you. I have not said you are guilty or innocent, I haven’t said you are going to heaven or hell. If I mentioned what Scripture says and what it forbids while doing the thing it forbids, that could be hypocritical.

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Here’s what might be more charitable:

Jake, even if you don’t consider yourself Catholic any more, please keep in mind the Ten Commandments. It’s a serious obligation to keep the Lord’s Day holy.

(Jake, I don’t think I need to say this to you, I’m just trying to present JT’s concern in a charitable way.)

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Well thank you Literalman, and yes, that would’ve been a lot more charitable than straight up saying I’m going to Hell because I’m not going to mass on Sunday.

But, to be honest with you, I didn’t get triggered about what he said. I used to, but I don’t get triggered anymore, cause I found out when I was working on my triggers that when someone of faith (Whether it be Catholic, Christian, etc…) says “…or you’ll got to hell.” The intention was they mean well. I know in JT’s heart that he would never desire for anyone to go to hell, no good-hearted hueman being desires for anyone to go to hell. But, in his mind, he was doing me a favor, because by him saying that I would go to hell, the hope would be that I wouldn’t go to hell and go back to Sunday Mass to avoid going to hell, because as a Catholic they have a Sunday obligation. Again, I go by intention, so the intention was good. There was no ill-intent mean’t by what he said. But, I didn’t get triggered, cause number 1, when you get triggered it usually means that whomever triggered me is displaying a behavior that I do not like about myself. I don’t like the feeling that I could potentially be going to hell. So what I did, was I healed that trigger, and not only did I heal it, I also acknowledged and integrated that part of myself that I didn’t like. And the other reason why it didn’t trigger me was because, I don’t believe that there’s an actual place called Hell. I think that Earth is Hell, but I do not believe that Hell is an actual place with fire in it, and everyone’s suffering, and there’s demons hurting people down there….nothing like that. I mean, heck, even my good Catholic friend is constantly telling me, both directly and indirectly depending on what she says, that I’m going to hell, and I’m still her friend cause I know she means well, and intention is everything with me.

However, thank you very much Literalman, I appreciate the kind words and the wisdom behind your words. Because you saw how someone could misconstrue that as something that is bad, especially with the way it was worded. So, I do appreciate that you chimed in and reminded us all that there’s no need for judgement here. We all want the truth, that’s really all all of us want at the end of the day, is the truth. So thank you for that.

But, I guess he’s done answering my questions, which is fine. I innerstand. And @jaytea God bliss you! I wish you well.

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I think that you’re more worried about appearances than what is in the heart, and that would make you a whitewashed sepulcher in the words Christ used to describe this.

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We’re done here. No offense was taken. You’ve said your peace and we’ve said ours. No need to drag this out. Like I said there’s no need for judgement here….we’re just having a discussion is all. If you have nothing of value to add to the conversation, best to just move on JT.