Thanks. I forgot I was part of this forum, but this thread became active and I got notifications in my email, and there’s a lot wrong with the persons in the Church but I can’t let someone get away with saying there’s no truth in the Church! That’s what makes it worthwhile in spite of the corruption!
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I betcha you BELIEVE that!
It begins by it’s polytheism.
@Question I’m pretty sure you’re just trolling, but I don’t have two marriages just because there are two persons in my marriage. It doesn’t work like that
I have no IDEA what your talking about!
@Question so how is anyone supposed to have a conversation with you then? I made a stupidly simple statement to contradict your accusation of polytheism, and you say you don’t understand? Is the only purpose of understanding a thing to reinforce one’s own asserted belief? And that which might threaten one’s own asserted belief must not be understood?
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Peace to all,
To me, what is lacking in the Catholic Chuch is not seeing the Holy Spirt as The Family of God and leaving out the Personal God in being as The Mother of God already in the Trinity Family preexisting. To me, rationally the Trinity Family Marriage is Created from the Father becoming Transformed immortality through The Mother in the New Eve becoming brothers and sisters in all mankind becoming from Holy Spirit incorruption for Jeus in the New Adam becoming in all through The Christbecoming in all immortally glorified and incorruptibly transfigured from Three Gods, The Father, The Mother and The Son becoming the Christ in all mankind through two natures, spirit and life, in One Body Becoming in all Sons and Daughters of God becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
It goes well beyond THAT.
Just because the clergymen who founded the dogma ***
SAY
*** it’s One when it is really THREE just makes it foolish, as I once was, to BELIEVE it!
Ok, that’s not a logical argument though. The property of personhood and the property of godness are not identical properties, similarly to how the property of marriage and the property of personhood are not identical properties. You have one marriage, and two persons. In Trinity you have one God, and three persons.
That’s logic. If I am wrong, you should be able to supply logic that explains how I am wrong. We don’t need your insults, we don’t need your sad memes, we need your participation in the conversation. This tactic of “you’ll take what I say because I’ll be a jerk to you if you don’t” is really like a Stockholm syndrome from accepting what the world has to offer you.
Peace to all,
- The Divine Persons, not the Divine Nature, are the subject of the Internal Divine processions
(in the active and in the passive sense).
To me, logically, the Divine nature is loving only and loving with only the most love becoming from loving or not becoming again loving only and loving with only the most love through two natures, God and Flesh becoming again One Holy Spirti Family One God in being.
The Family of God is in all geneartions made visible from the Dogmas through two natures to me becoming, rationally, faithfully proven proof through logic, I believe.
To me, what is missing is the New Catholic Evangelism from the proper logical understanding of the Trinity through the Parable of Born Again Saved as Catholic and is in all benerations, I believe the Parable of Parables for all becoming again from the Personal Relationship through Jesus in His Family for all born again saved becoming again One Family,
To me logically, The New Eve is The Mother of The Bible. The Bible is in all generalizations two books, a reference book, Historical, non-fiction and the Inspired Word of God.
Spirit and life in One Body becoming again logically One God. Rationally cannot change is loving only and loving with only the most love through two natures in One Body. Logical Fulfilled intelligence undefiled is from created, becoming mutable and able to change through failed choice with defiled choice capable of loving or not loving, I believe.
In all generalizations, Dogmas allow Disciples becoming mystics in uniting the common denominatior of all faiths becoming through the spirit, all Fathers with a different name becoming together in the Same God from undeflied logical intelligence through the Powers of the Holy Spirit Family becoming inside of all mankind from three preexisting Spirit Powers in One Holy Family, Three Personal Gods in being before creation was ever created was even created through the flesh of Jesus. The Mind of God, the entire “Sophia” wisdom of The Holy Family, “The Word becomes flesh” reborn living inside of all mankind from Creation through Transformation for two nature fulfillment in One Body through the Christ in all becoming again saved in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to all generations, I believe.
In logical reality, Spirit and life in One Body becoming again logically One God. Rationally cannot change is loving only and loving with only the most love through two natures in One Body. Logical Fulfilled intelligence undefiled is from created, becoming mutable and able to change through failed choice with defiled choice capable of loving or not loving. The Christ fulfills through His Passion in One Undeflied Incorruptible Loving Only with only the Most Love Body, I am thinking.
Peace always,
Stephen
This is one of the problems today . Every lay person wants to be a theologian without the academics . The church is a hierarchy ! It is founded on authority and derives from that authority .
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Peace to all,
To me, Logically, the Eternal Priestly Authority of Spirit and Life is Jesus conceived through Family Powers and Personal Gods preexisting in being becoming and living inside of all mankind through the Christ in all mankind becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe, OMNILogically.
T0 me, OMNILogically, what is lacking in the Catholic Church is not properly seeing the Holy Family as the Holy Spirit. And What is lacking is missing in undelivered until now OMNILogic Theology of The Queen Of Heaven, Mary, is Mother of God preexisting in the Trinity always together with the Father and The Son becoming again through The Christ in all becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogicalGod, i believe.
OMNILogically The “Mind of God” God wants physical Love through One Body manifesting forever logical undefiled intelligence unfailing loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again through both natures, so, OMNILogicalGod 2025, from God, faithfully, Omnilogically all creation is Created, all life becomes Transformed from the Powers of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being Glorified and Transfigured through the Christ, The God Family in the Flesh becoming and living inside of all mankind becoming again One God, OMNILogically, so logically, rationally even, I believe.
From the Powers of All Creation, Three Gods preexisting each God equal in the Powers of God and separately Gods in being and together One God, One Holy Spirit Family, OMNILogically God, I believe, OMNILogicalGod.
Logically all mankind becomes brothers and sisters through “Rebirth” from The Immaculate Conception becoming Sons and Daughters from the Cross through the Christ becoming Holy Spirit Incorruption through The Immaculate flesh of The New Eve through Jesus in the New Adam in all mankind through the Christ through both natures, spirit and life in One Body of Christ in all mankind becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically, I believe.
The Father God is creator of all life from the Spirit through the created souls of all for the flesh in One Body through Adam and Eve.
The Mother is Mary, God of Mercy, God of Immaculate Immortal Flesh Transformation preexisting in logical undefiled intelligence becoming transformation through The Immaculate Conception for all becoming brothers and sisters in all mankind in the New Eve.
The Son is God of Justice for all becoming from the New Eve of Immortality through Jesus conceived by the Power of the Holy Spirit Family conceived in The Flesh becoming Holy Spirit Incorruption through the Christ for both natures becoming One Body for all Sons and Daughters of God in all mankind.
Peace always,
Stephen
The Church is all of us. The members of the clergy are humans, all humans are sinners. The sacraments are not desiccated by the priest or bishop who gives them. We all must stick together and pray for our veneration of the church. When we speak of the improprieties of the clergy we are talking about 3%. One is too many, but Jesus is still with us. Satan is always working to destroy us, especially the ones who are working the hardest to lead us to the salvation we have been promised. Satan is the greatest of all the liars. Revelation 12 tells of Satans attack on Mary and her birth of our savior of Jesus. All of us must work together and push for the positives of the Truth offered by the one true church. 1Timothy 3:14-15
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I think 2Thessalonians 2:14-15 would have something to say about that. Scripture and Tradition. The church does give through tradition (the bible was written in Greek and the Greek word for tradition was parodasis (sp) meaning to pass down.
The biggest thing the Church lacks is transparency. I’ve been saying this on here, and I’ll say it again, stop hiding things from your followers. Stop being vague about things, and allow people into the Vatican Secret Archives. If you prohibit something, or ban a book, or get rid of a verse, go into detail as to why you prohibit something, don’t be vague or mysterious. This is about our afterlife here, this isn’t something that should be toyed with or omitted. If the Church will ever be transparent about everything, maybe then I would reconsider joining.
This strikes me as an image of the parable where the rich man said, from the afterlife, of his brothers on earth that if one came back from the dead they would believe. The church is incredibly transparent, it is your accusation of the church lacking transparency that is vague. When Luther was excommunicated, there was great effort taken to have him meet with the church, it was Luther that refused to engage, not the church. The teachings of the church are subjected to intense scrutiny by the church itself, yielding encyclicals that answer every question that arises and in timely manner. Anyone can write about the teachings of the Church, and there are countless resources available to learn about them, not the least of which is the Summa Theologica, or the Treatise on the Love of God. If the Church was more transparent, it would be invisible!
Interesting cause one of the reasons why I left the Church is because I had questions that would never get answered….and in-fact, when I would get an answer, it sounded like they were tip-toeing around the question, or they would simply just say “I don’t have an answer.” And at first I was like “Oh ok…they don’t have an answer. Well, maybe someone else will have an answer.” And I remember going to several Priests, and a few Cardinals and Bishops, and they didn’t have an answer either. So at first, I innerstood, but as my questions grew, the answers to those questions weren’t getting resolved, or if they were, they simply didn’t know. And on top of which, learning about the Vatican Secret Archives didn’t help matters, because what if there is something in those archives that can help out huemanity? Like, what if there’s a document, and all it has is one big mathematical equation for how to get rid of something like Cancer, that maybe the reason why some people have Cancer could be that there’s a spiritual component that needs to be addressed. And what if that document just has a mathematical equation, but nothing on the document stating what it is or who came up with it, it’s just sitting there collecting dust? Basically what I’m saying is, it got to a point where I had more questions than answers, and after hearing “I don’t know” and what appeared like to me to be dodgy behavior or not given a straight answer on anything, I left, because I feel like my questions are important. I mean, this is the afterlife we’re talking about here, so I was hoping to be taken a little serious but I wasn’t.
I mean, that’s just one reason I left. The other reason was because eventually in my life I got to a point where I thought I was going to Hell. And, because I thought that my destination was Hell, I felt that it didn’t matter any amount of good or any amount of bad that I did on this Earth, it wouldn’t matter anyways cause my destination was Hell. And again, I went to Priests, and Bishops, and Cardinals, and they would pray over me, and maybe give me some advice, but by the time I was trying to get their help, it’s like it wasn’t really working. I was convinced I was going to Hell and that I was beyond saving. I mean, never in my life did I sink that low, and I don’t have a jail record. I never had an arrest out for me, like I was perfectly ok, but it seemed like my only destination was Hell so what’s the point? So that was also a reason why I left The Church, cause I didn’t like the fact that anytime I did something nice for someone that I didn’t feel like it mattered, cause it does matter, but being a part of the Catholic religion really wasn’t helping matters. And of course, with certain questions not getting answered, and because I didn’t have any friends at the time (cause I was born with a stutter and apparently it makes people think that you’re stupid, even though I would get straight A’s in school), I decided that it was time to move on. I believe in Jesus and God, but not the same way Catholics/Christians believe in God. I’m not part of any Church, nor do I have a book written by man for man to follow, and it was only after I stopped going to Church and being done with religion altogether is when I started making friends and started living a much fuller life. And if that makes me an evil person, or a bad person, than yeah….I’m a terrible horrible person who praises God in other ways.
Well that’s a lot of words, but I still have no idea what your questions were.
Oh…you want to answer my questions? Ok, well if that’s the case, be my guest.
I started typing all the questions I had, but, let’s go over them one by one, cause I have other things I have to do today…
1.) If Jesus is God, then why does he talk about his Father in Heaven, or that he’s the Son of God? I thought Jesus was God. Like, explain to me the logic behind how you can have an immortal Godhead 1 in 3?