Possible assumption about the penalty for blasphemy of the Spirit

I have read the unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Spirit.

Matthew 12:31-21

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. **32 **Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.”

I have heard the assumption that this means you are damned, so I wanted to analyze that for a possible assumption about the penalty.

First, I want to think of “forgiveness” in a legal sense. The sin itself is a “debt”, and to be forgiven means you don’t have to pay the debt. So, in a legal sense it doesn’t have to mean it can never be reconciled. It just might mean you have to pay the debt.

I also wanted to consider the more personal aspect. Suppose such blasphemy actually hurts God. Then, being unforgiven might mean that God always remembers the pain you caused. It might be something more personal. I don’t about the result to personal feelings.

Well, either way or both, the bible doesn’t say what the punishment is. Only that it will not be forgiven.

Do you agree that people make an assumption about the penalty being eternal?

Hi, JamesAnthony. I think there’s already a discussion of this on Catholic Talk. Maybe Cade can point you to it or merge your post into it.

I didn’t find a post with this topic exactly. I found a different question about the Spirit though. If you want to moderate other people‘s posts, it would be helpful if you included a link when you reference other posts. Otherwise, your post or amateur moderation is unhelpful. Perhaps if you wanna help Cade moderate the boards, maybe you should send a message to him. As I have no power to move it anyways

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Unhelpful amateur moderation, eh? Nopers. Not interested.

Yes! : )

No worries. We can have two threads on this topic. Not a big deal. It may help someone searching for answers fine this community one way or another. I am a small wrench moderator. I consider myself a member of this community first and foremost. I volunteered to mod after we had some scandalous posts and the big wrench mods were not here enough to catch it quickly enough. Glad you are hear James. Don’t take comments so personal though. @Literalman is a good guy. He was only trying to help you find answers.

Peace to all,

To me, the Holy Spirit has been defined improperly in the church as a person. It only makes sense that the Holy Spirit is a family.

Faithfully, we believe the church saying the Holy Spirit is a person, but logically the Holy Spirit is a family together with the father and the son and the mother the entire Sophia, wisdom of the Holy Spirit family becoming conceived for Jesus through the Christ in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being in all one family.

Because of Him, The Father and through Her, Mary and for Him, Jesus [are] all things; to Him, One God One Holy Spirit Family [is] the glory—for all ages. Amen.

Logically, God wants a body created in the flesh of Jesus becoming again through both natures, spirit and life both nature’s statically, undefiled, unfailing, dynamically, pulsing, and fulfilled, faith, and morality through his passion becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family Body, I believe, logically OMNILogicalGod, through all generalizations.

Peace always,
Stephen

I say, let’s get real and consider it from a personal point of view. I know that Catholics don’t make their own judgment calls, but endeavor to abide by the teachings that come down from the Vatican. And I respect that.
My understanding, from my own religion is that no one can hurt God’s feelings. God’s love is so powerful that no one can dent it. Even Jesus said, that a man can be very hot, or very cold…but luke warm, he spits them out. In other words, God is so pure, that anyone who has strong feelings about Him, positive, or negative, those strong feelings bring him closer to God who is Purity Personified…and such a person’s heart will gradually be cleansed.
Of course, in my religion, we believe that the soul is eternal and the body is only a temporal container. And the the eternal soul is only in the material world, for his reformation…because we are in this world, all fallen angels. And the Garden of Eden is not on this planet. We have all succumbed to temptation of wanting to be independent of God’s authority, and we are here in the realm of apparent birth and death, in the realm where we have to earn our survival by hard work and endless troubles…lifetime after lifetime…until our spirit of independence is humbled and we are ready to “hear” that God is our only shelter, and, as Jesus teaches, the spirit of love of God, our Eternal Father, is our shelter and our salvation.
As long as we are envious of God, and harbor a desire to be master, rather than God’s loving servant…this is blasphemy of the Spirit. And we are all guilty in that way, to varying degrees.
As long as we experience frustration in our endeavors, and consequent irritation and wrath…this is the symptom of wanting to be in control. When actually, God is the Supreme Controller.
As long as we think of ourselves as the owners of land, labor, capital and organization, this is the symptom of being a thief…because God is the Supreme Proprietor of all that be.
As long as we have a desire to enjoy the fruits or our labor…we are claiming God’s position for ourselves…because God is the Supreme Enjoyer, and all of our efforts, every thought, word and deed, should be for the enjoyment of God.

Therefore, God is the Supreme Proprietor (who has created everything). God is the Supreme Controller through His all-pervasive spirit. And God is the Supreme Enjoyer (He created us for His pleasure, to receive our love). As long as we wish to be the owners, the controllers, and the independent enjoyers, this is blasphemy of the Spirit.
The ascetics are seen as renouncers. But in order to come closer to God, we have to renounce our false sense of ownership, our false sense of control, and our desire to find our pleasure in anything other than God’s pleasure. After all, Jesus says we should love God with all of our heart, with all of our strength. Living for God’s pleasure, we come to realize, as David says in the 23rd Psalm, “My cup runneth over.” He is talking of the happiness of the heart that lives only for God’s pleasure. He surrenders to God’s control, by turning the other cheek, knowing that God is moving every hand that offends us. And he uses every facility for the service of God, rather than the service of our little selves… because he acknowledges that God is the proprietor of all that is.
Everything else is blasphemy of the spirit. Even good works, Jesus tells us, is not enough to enable us to enter God’s kingdom. We are here for our redemption. Otherwise, why would Jesus have to come and teach us these things. We are all fallen. The Garden of Eden is not on this planet. The heavenly hosts are with God in the spiritual realm, glorifying Him and praising Him, with every thought, word and deed. And we are here. We have to be sober enough to ask the question: “If God is in heaven with the heavenly hosts, where there is no birth, and no death, no disease, no struggle for survival…and God has placed us here, while He sends His son to give us good instruction…why has he made this arrangement?” He has made this arrangement for reducing our pride, and for helping us to understand our real self-interest, our enlightened self-interest…to love the Lord thy God with all of our hearts.
Anthony says that the Bible doesn’t say what punishment is. But the eternal spirit soul in the material world, experiences the pains of birth, old age, disease and death. We are eternal. But because we identify with this flesh, we suffer terribly. And God loves us so much, that he sends His son to tell us that we should not look for our reward in the this world of birth and death, but that we should love our Lord with all of our heart, and return to our real life in heaven.

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