We are taught that our God is a God of infinite mercy. We are taught that souls confined to Hell are so confined for eternity which equates to infinity.
These two positions appear to be in conflict unless infinite mercy outranks eternity - which, if so, suggests the Almighty will, in due course, be merciful to souls in Hell.
If that is not so, does it mean God is indeed a vengeful entity (vengeance is mine sayeth The Lord). Is eternal vengeance consistent with infinite mercy.
If souls in Hell can never be admitted to His presence in paradise, might it not be merciful to have them simply cease to exist, to at least terminate their suffering. Does Almighty God have this power.
No man can say, nor will ever be able to say, that God hasn’t been merciful to him, but He is also just. Those in Heaven and Hell are there out of their own free will. Would it be just of God if He didn’t allow one to reap in eternity what they sowed on earth, for good or evil, of their own free will?
The God from the Faith of Abraham is the God of two natures, Spirit and Life becoming again in One Holy Family.
The Christ is more than just Jesus, The Christ is the Spiritually Incorruptible Body of the New Adam through the Immaculate flesh of The New Eve becoming our own personal Body of Christ becoming again One Family and the keys to the kingdom, The Bodies of Jesus and Mary become The Christ and God becoming again in all One Family.
Confusion reigns in understanding the Holy Spirit as The Family of God, and Mary is present and alive in the Trinity of the Holy Family and always together with the Father and The Son becoming again in all One Holy Holy Family. Understanding The Christ is all souls are created from the Spirit of The Father for the created souls of all through the created flesh of all mankind for the New Adam Virgin Born through the New Eve becoming for His Passion through Marriage Spiritually and Fleshly becoming in One Body through the Christ for all mankind becoming again in all Creation One Family, easy to foresee for all becoming again.
Choice becomes created defiled to love or not to love becoming fulfilled through two natures, Spirit and life to love only and to love with only the most love becoming again One Family, logically, undeflied.
The New Law is World Order is fulfilled from faith through morality for two natures, spirit and life becoming alive transformed becoming One Body becoming again glorified and transfigured in One Family of God and the New Commandment is Love.
We are taught that our God is a God of infinite mercy. We are taught that souls confined to Hell are so confined for eternity which equates to infinity.
These two positions appear to be in conflict unless infinite mercy outranks eternity - which, if so, suggests the Almighty will, in due course, be merciful to souls in Hell.
If that is not so, does it mean God is indeed a vengeful entity (vengeance is mine sayeth The Lord). Is eternal vengeance consistent with infinite mercy.
If souls in Hell can never be admitted to His presence in paradise, might it not be merciful to have them simply cease to exist, to at least terminate their suffering. Does Almighty God have this power.
This implies God’s Justice and His Mercy are mutually exclusive - why assume that is so ? Further, that Justice is the dominant quality. If so, it follows that God’s quality of Mercy is not infinite.
The insolvable mystery is solved through the Family Powers of God from the Father through the Mother for the Son becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogicalGod.Com.
Through the Faith from the God of Abraham 2000 years later we become again through two natures in One God.
Mary transforms all becoming immortality, reborn, Baptism is This preservation from original sin was necessary for Mary to be the “New Eve,” who would say “yes” to God from the Incorruptible Holy Spirit becoming through the Immaculate Flesh in contrast to the first Eve who said no to the “failed” corrupt spirit causing death becoming to know from the Tree of Knowledge of “Love or Not Love,” “Good or Evil” “Like God” how to love or not to love to the “failed” mortal flesh and death, away from the Tree of Life in the Garden, OMNILogically.
The God of Justice is Jesus, the Eternal Priestly Authority, The New Adam from spirit incorruption from Failed Adam.
The God of Mercy, Mary, The New Eve is the Immaculate Conception, flesh immortalization, from Failed Eve.
“Wisdom presupposes knowledge, and is the practical use which the understanding, determined by the will, makes of the material of knowledge. God’s wisdom is infinite and eternal. It is conceived of by us as selecting the highest possible end, the manifestation of his own glory, and then in selecting and directing in every department of his operations the best possible means to secure that end. This wisdom is gloriously manifested to us in the great theatres of creation, providence and grace.”
Logically the incorruptible Holy Spirit Family Powers manifestation through the Immaculately Transformed Immortal Flesh for the created souls of all mankind becoming through two natures, spirit and life in One Body through the Flesh of The Christ for all mankind becoming again in all creation glorified and transfigured in One Family, OMNILogically.
Never logically before has the “Mind of God” been expressed and through logic literally, Rationally, really faithfully, both natures spirit and life become alive in One Body through the Christ from Mary through Jesus for all souls created by the Father. The Holy Spirit becomes the Family of God from three powers and Gods preexisting in logical undefiled intelligence from the Father through the Mother for the Son becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again in all creation One Holy Family, OMNILogicalGod.Com.
The Catholic Church will soon see the Holy Spirit as The Family of God and Mary as God in the Trinity of Powers always together with the Father and the Son.
After all , what is the unforgivable sin?
Jesus saves us incorruptibly from the Immaculate Flesh of the Immaculate Conception through the souls of the Holy Family Conceived for Jesus in the New Adam becoming the Christ from Sacrifice through Penance Confirmed and re-Sanctified through both natures, from the incorruptible spirit through the immortal life becoming forgiven for all and in Communion with Him all mankind becomes again glorified and transfigured for all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen, The Logical Pen of Maria Valtorta
This is another reason why I am no longer Catholic. Here’s the thing, Catholic’s believe that God can be loving and just. And I want to make a distinction here, going with that logic, yes God is indeed loving and just. Just like us huemans are conditionally loving, if God is the same way, then yes, He can be just, because He is conditionally loving and if you don’t follow his Commandments or rules, then He will judge you according to your works.
However, I think that’s wrong. If God is the source of all that is pure and good, and because God is a lot bigger and a lot more intelligent than us, then it would stand to reason that he is Unconditionally Loving. And, if that is the case, then it would go against his nature to be just. Because to be just is to be conditionally loving, because again, it’s placing a condition on his love for you. So, it only makes sense to me that God is Unconditionally Loving and that His love far outdoes conditional love, because again, He is the source of all that is pure and good.
Look, if someone was about to murder someone else, I’d call the authorities on them and try to get in-between the murderer and the victim, cause most people know that killing someone is wrong. And yes, that gunman should be punished, otherwise they’d kill more people. But when it comes to the metaphysical, there is no such thing as a punishment. This is why I believe in reincarnation, cause more than likely that gunman would be stuck in a reincarnation cycle, and till he breaks that cycle, he’ll keep reincarnating till he does.
Hell was made to control people. It was a word that the religious hierarchy created to make sure everyone was obedient and complicit. If God truly is real (and I believe that God is), and if God gave everyone a Free Will and his mercy is endless, and he truly is Unconditional Love, and reincarnation is real, then why is there a need for a hell? God loves you no matter what you’ve done. Again, there has to be some punishment in place for those who wish to do others harm, but God will still love you, no matter what you do.
I’ll be honest with you, I don’t think I could love as much as God does. I can try, but I dunno if I would be as loving as God if someone was to murder someone I cared for. I would want justice for myself. But since God is Unconditionally Loving, he couldn’t hate you, no matter what. God doesn’t create junk, and God certainly would never hate you. He loves you for just simply being you.
Catholics I know will say that he is loving and just, but I don’t buy it. If God truly is Unconditionally Loving, and is exactly that, then it doesn’t matter what you do, God will always love you. And that’s because he created you and loves you for you.
Reincarnation is resurrection from death flesh rebirth through immortalization from spirit incorruption becoming through the New Eve, the bride of Christ, the Catholic Church fulfilled from His Passion undefiled unfailing becoming again One Family loving only and loving with only the most love.
Why do you think it implies that God’s mercy and justice are mutually exclusive, and justice is His dominant quality? And, there is a limit even to God’s limitless, but intelligent, Goodness. Remember this. The reception of God’s limitless mercy is conditional on human free will and the choice to accept it.
justice is a broad concept that seeks to establish and maintain a moral and social order, using diverse mechanisms to address harm, ensure fairness, and promote well-being, of which punishment is only one component. And, justice is a form of love in action.
There is a limit even to God’s limitless, but intelligent, Goodness. Remember this. The reception of God’s limitless mercy, another form of love, is conditional on human free will and the choice to accept it.
The hour will come for each person when we receive Jesus’s judgment, reaping in eternity what He allowed us to sow on earth, for good or evil, in other words, meriting Heaven or Hell, of our own free will, out of love and justice.
On January 11th, 1944, in a transcript dictated to Maria Valtorta by St. Paul the apostle, he inveighed against reincarnation, which you can read in The Notebooks: 1944 (pp. 19-20).
God created Hell when Lucifer (Satan) and other angels rebelled against Him. And, any human who willfully chooses to serve the Evil One will join them there, of their own free will.
In addition to God being a loving God, He is also a just God.
Your mystery reminds me of when anti-Theists ask, “Can God create a Rock He can’t move?”
I have heard Jimmy Akin say that the answer to this questions should be “no,” but I argue that God could make a Rock unmovable and then in the same breath make it movable. I do not see a contradiction, where others may.
God’s ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9). I know this sounds like a cop-out, but it is true. We are not God. Many people try to stump God. The Jewish leaders tried to stump Jesus. The devil tried to trick Jesus in the desert. Atheists (or-unbelievers) try to stump God too.
Bring your question to God in Prayer. Share with Him how you cannot understand how… and …
If you define unconditional “love” as anything goes, then sure. How do you define love? I define love willing the good of another. But if that individual chooses an unholy Life, it doesn’t mean that God loves them less. Does this make sense?
If everyone goes to Heaven, there is no justice. And then individuals would make the argument that if there is no justice, then God is not living in the other direction.
Spoiled Teenagers think that there parents do not love them, because their Parents have rules and consequences for when they break the rules. There are rules, because their Parents love them. Does this make sense?
Years ago, a family member (now grown) said to her father (not I), “I hate you!” His answer: “That means I’m doing my job.”
It is true that the world and the afterlife as they exist (according to Christ’s description, and I believe that He is God, so He must know) is mysterious to us. He doesn’t necessarily do things the way we think He should. When proclaiming judgment, He didn’t say, “But what does Steve think about it?” Rather than my trying to get God to move into line with my rules, I am trying to order my life according to His rules.
Another thought: “Many people” say “that they believe very much in heaven but not at all in hell …” wrote Father Robert D. Smith in The Other Side of Christ.
“For as great a mystery as hell is, heaven is an even greater one in many ways. Humanly speaking, no one seems to deserve hell. But … no one deserves heaven. Eternal happiness, the vision of God, for repentance and belief?
“Then too, compared with the wholehearted service that Satan often gets, our service of God is always weak.”
Are heaven and hell simply disproportionate reward and punishment? Jesus said that people follow one road or the other. If we choose God’s ways, apparently the choice is eternal. After we die, will we regret it and wish we had lived a life of deadly sin?
And when people who follow the road that leads to damnation (as Jesus put it), are they not rejecting God and embracing evil? In this life, they may want nothing to do with God and His ways. In the next life, will they eventually be ready to embrace virtue and want to live in God’s light? God’s love lasts forever. Maybe some people’s hatred of God lasts forever too.
Excellent advice and the only valid way to proceed. My original post was titled Mystery, and so it shall ever be. One doesn’t really need answers to these unanswerable questions - only faith, and hope, and observance of His commandments.
I thank all who have responded to my post which was not really expecting concise answers, rather to discover how others thought about such mysteries- and it has been most helpful and informative.
I disagree. In spirit form, you are limitless. Being stuck in these hueman avatars is what creates limits. But if you are God, limits truly do not exist for you. God exists in the 12th Dimension, and he resides in a Dimension that has no rules, and that’s because by the time you reach the 12th Dimension you will have learned all you needed to learn to be able to reside there. God is nothing but good and loving, and because God is the source of all that is good and loving, there’s no point in having to obey rules, because by then you will have been perfected. So yes, you can think of the higher dimensions as different parts of Heaven.
If Hell is real, then why is it that so many beings want to incarnate down here to Earth? Cause I’m telling you right now, if Hell was a result of my actions throughout my entire life down here, I’d never incarnate (or in my case volunteer) down here. The 3rd Dimension was created specifically for learning, and part of that learning is learning how to not limit yourself on anything regarding this life. As we grow up, we are taught limiting beliefs. In fact, one of the biggest lies that has been propogated for Millenniums is this belief that we are not God. There’s a good reason why we are microcosm’s of God, because it not only serves us and our spiritual evolution, but it also has this double-edged effect with God as well. You see, God wants to know everything. I tell people all the time that God is like that of a little kid where he just keeps saying “Why?” The reason why God knows so much is because He puts Himself in His own Creation. God wants to know everything, to what a blade of grass feels like on a hot summers day, to what a bird thinks when it’s in flight, to a hueman wanting to go outside barefoot and run in the grass. God wants to know every single thing about His Creation, so he puts His own divinity in everything. Yes, from a physical perspective everything looks separate from us, but from a metaphysical perspective everything is one (including us huemans).
If you need a better explanation on how we are God’s, just read your Bible. The Holy Spirit (which is part of the trinity) dwells within each and every one of us, and the Holy Spirit is divine in origin. We are the “body of Christ”, everything is like a bodypart of God. Everything is God, which is why learning on this 3rd Dimensional plane is so important, and again, part of that learning is being able to tell limiting beliefs from unlimiting beliefs. Again, we are not these bodies, we are not these minds. Deep inside everything looks the same, and everything is one. Plus, when we incarnate down here, in order to incarnate as a hueman, your soul has to go through several evolutions. You start off as a mineral or a rock, and you live life like that till you are eroded away. Then you can become a plant, or a tree. And then after that soul evolution, you can finally incarnate as a man or a woman. You do get the choice to become a male or female animal, or a male or female tree, but your soul has to go through these stages to be able to inhabit a hueman body. You never truly die, because you are pure energy. Yes, energy can take on different forms, but according to the Law of Conservation, energy is neither created or destroyed. Energy is eternal, and it’s what everything is made of. You can think of a hueman soul (or an animal or plant soul, or even a rock soul) as a battery to power-up this these avatars we have agreed to inhabit prior to incarnating here. And once the avatar breaks down or ceases to exist, you become energy again and become limitless, and you’ll be given options on what to do next based on what it is you learned in the here and now. And yes, you will have options, because again, it’s a Free Will Universe. We live in a Universe of infinite possibilities, and what you choose to do is completely up to you. We cannot be judged because even when we’re not inhabiting an avatar, we’re still learning, and we have an eternity to learn as much as we can. That’s the beauty of Free Will, is being able to learn.
I find it interesting you cite Maria Valtorta’s visions of St. Paul talking against reincarnation. Cause, if we’re being real here, anything of her’s has not been officially approved by the Church. Which, if that’s the case, then there’s probably something you can learn from her visions, because the Catholic Church craves being enigmatic when it comes to the truth. Plus, I find it easier to believe in one person, compared to 40+ authors of the current Bible. With one person there’s less corruption going on. With 40+ authors, not sure if I 100% completely trust those people. The people who wrote The Bible wrote it so many years ago, and with the Church’s track record of having bad Priests, Deacons, Bishops, Cardinals, Popes, etc… I don’t know if I can truly trust what is being said. And really, it’s not just the fact that there’s so many authors, but also the fact that the Catholic Church likes to hide every single book they took out in a restricted library of all things, makes the Church look dishonest.
As far as what Maria Valtorta says, I dunno. My Dad doesn’t follow it, because supposidely Maria Valtorta made some kind of deal with Satan on having these kinds of visions. Now, whether or not that’s true, I can’t say. I’ve never delved into Miss Valtorta’s writings, nor have I ever researched her. So, what my Dad says is hearsay right now. I will say this, regarding reincarnation I agree to disagree with this particular vision. Again, not saying she’s wrong or even right, I just don’t have enough information to go off of. But again, and I’m not afraid to say this, but because the Church hasn’t officially approved this book tells me that there’s hidden truths in that book. I would have to read it and decode it. And while we’re on this subject, something I’ve learned is to not trust the Church on everything. There’s corruption in this religion, just like with all the other religions. And that’s because man likes to put their noses where it’s not wanted. It’s sad but….corruption is everywhere you go, it’s just in varying degrees.
God created hell? The being and source of all that is good and pure created hell? Never heard that one before, that’s a new one for me. Also, Lucifer’s real name is Enlil by the way, and Enlil, for literally Millenniums has been manipulating the Hueman Race to do his bidding along with his followers. Satan comes from the Sanskrit words Saa Taa Naa Maa, and each word shows different aspects of the divine. Saa = Infinity, Taa=Life, Naa=Transformation and Maa=Rebirth. The meaning changed over time, but originally it was these 4 aspects of the divine. When I said these families corrupted our History, it’s because they did. What Catholic’s deem “Salvation History” is no different. They’ve corrupted everything, and they did it in a way that we, as a collective, agreed to.
In the metaphysical, anything does go. That’s the whole idea….in the metaphysical everything does go. If one wanted to, one could remain static, which is fine. Not wanting to learn and grow and evolve is a choice after all, and Free Will overrides any decision made, even if it is prior to incarnating. In fact, pre-incarnation/pre-reincarnation, you could state that you want to go to a prestigious college, but when you incarnate, you might decide not to go to college, because again, Free Will will always override any decision, cause that’s how Free Will works.
As far as having rules….yes, here in this 3rd Dimensional reality all the way up to the 11th Dimension has rules you must follow. The 12th Dimension, the Dimension God resides in, has no rules, because by the time you make it there, you’ll have learned enough about love to where every decision you make will be one that is based on pure unconditional love.
I know we’ve already briefly talked about this before, but, God created everything right? God is the source of everything there ever was, cause everything is born from love. But just like with the physical part of this Dimension, you start off in 1st Grade (or Kindergarten), and you learn the basics, like your ABC’s and 123’s. Your soul is no different. When you incarnate down here, you come here first as a rock, a mineral, just something small. Once you erode away, then you have the option of becoming a plant or a tree next. And you live for many years. Then you have the option of becoming an animal, and you live your life out as that animal till you die. Then your soul is finally ready to incarnate into a hueman vessel. Like school here on Earth, Earth itself is a school. And in order to graduate Earth school, you learn about the world around you with the help of the God-given gifts such as discernment and intuition to navigate the 3rd Dimensional plane.
And one more thing, how do I define love? Well, let’s go one step above just love, how do I define Unconditional Love? Well, it’s dissolving your ego and taking someone else’s worldview, beliefs, thoughts, political leaning, religious leaning if applicable, and taking it as your own.
I can even give you an example. Let’s say you have a daughter who is 16 and she comes up to you in tears saying that she had sex with a boy she wasn’t in love with and she is 2 weeks pregnant. Now…the ego would say something like this “Gosh dangit Molly, I’ve told you, time and time again that sex is a sacred act between 2 people, and if you’re having sex outside of marriage that that’s wrong! How could you do this?! This is NOT how I raised you. I raised you to be an upstanding Catholic, and this is how you repay me?! I’ve fed you, clothed you, taught you how to be a Godly woman, and you mean to tell me you had sex with a boy you didn’t love and you’re pregnant?! My God Molly, I raised you better than this!”
The above is a very egoic response. The ego tends to serve itself, and is all about division. But what would an Unconditionally Loving response look like?
You give her a hug and you ask her “Are you ok sweetheart?” And she looks at you and she says “No….I’m sad. The Dad wants nothing to do with this baby inside of me. I don’t know what to do! And he’s popular in my school and has been bad talking me behind my back.” And I would look at Molly and say “What do you want to do right now? What do you want to do? Do you want to go out and eat something, or would you want to just talk about it? What is something you want to do right now?” And she said “Honestly, I just want to have a cover over me and I want to get comfortable, and I kind of want to watch a movie.” And I would say “Ok, what movie do you want to watch?” And she chooses the movie and I say “Are you sure you’re ok?” And just for arguments sake let’s say she says “No, but….watching a movie would make me feel better.”
Now, sometime when all of this comes down, I would tell Molly “I want you to focus on you right now. You have a baby now, so, we need to start preparing for the baby. And I will help you every step of the way. I’m a little upset, and we will have to talk about this at some point, but for now, let’s make sure the baby and you are taken care of. Right now you’re hurting, but we’ll get through this. I love you Molly, and I will help and be there for you as much as I can.”
As you can see, ego is what separates people. Ego is self-satisfying, and self gratifying. But having a dissolved ego is taking on someone else’s thoughts and feelings as your own. This is also considered “Christ Consciousness” which seeks to unify and to bring people together.
This is the beauty in approaching everything not from a right or wrong perspective, but from a loving perspective. I’m not saying don’t tell her that this was not a good thing to do, but there’s a time and a place for everything. Your daughter is balling her eyes out, and feels bad, so saying that she did something terrible can go without saying, cause she feels bad about it. Reserve your anger or your frustrations, and instead ask her what she needs right now. Do something, cause this creates trust within the relationship between the parent and the child, and then later on down the road when things are back to normal, then maybe sit her down and talk about how doing something like what she did isn’t the way to do it. Ego does serve us, which is why it exists, mostly because we as huemans have to feel like we’re right about something. Otherwise we’d be going around not knowing who or what to believe. But, something that is hard for people (especially here in America) is learning when the appropriate time to use your ego is. I even think in The Bible it does say somewhere that there’s a time and a place for everything. Unconditional Love is hard for the average hueman, cause the average hueman is conditionally loving, but it’s not beyond us. It’s just something you have to practice doing. Like, right now I’m struggling with my ego regarding same-sex attraction. I dunno when my ego will die regarding this, but it does have to die cause having this viewpoint about the same sex is destructive. But, I’m only hueman, and I’m trying my best.
Hope this clears this up. (By the way, I figured out a way to find unconditional love in a world that is conditionally loving. It’s not hard but at some point it is trial and error, but it CAN work, I just wish someone would try my formula for it).
I just love your energy. I know I can come across as aggressive, but, I don’t mean to sound aggressive. I try to explain my position without name-calling or cursing. I dunno, maybe I’m the one with the problem you think?