Mary worship in the Catholic church

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The Catholic Church probably gives more to charity than most other groups in the world. Some Christians (and non-Christians would love it if we stripped our Churches & Cathedrals of the things pointing to Heavenly realities, but it would never be enough. It still would not satisfy them.

God designed the Ark of the Old Covenant. He did not make it out of simple materials. He even told them to ornate it with statues of Cherubim. You can read about this in Exodus 25.

Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. Jesus was born into poverty. And yet, He was the greatest King to ever live. Our Churches are ornate, because it points to a greater reality. The awe and beauty of our Churches point to the deeper beauty and depth of God’s love. It takes your breath away. It is meant to humble us. That is why the doors of well-designed Churches are very large and heavy. The steps elevating us as we enter into these Sacred places of Worship are meant to humble any human (including earthly kings and leaders). Because God is greater!

How much would be enough? Do you have a dollar amount? How much?

I agree with you that covering up abuses is wrong. I think most Christian Churches plagued by sin & scandal would agree with you and me.

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The LDS Bishops often will sit their members down and go through their finances with them and figure out how much in tithing they ought to be giving to the Church. Catholic Christians do not do this. We believe in an offering.

Though the Bible does give the example of giving a tenth, it is not commanded in the New Testament, but was mandated in the Old Testament under the Mosaic Law.

The Catholic Christian Church does not teach the Prosperity Gospel that some Evangelical or Pentecostal Churches preach either.

Jesus does teach a parable about a woman who gave all that she had and how this offering was greater than someone who could afford to give more, but the percentage of what they give is much less. It isn’t about how much one gives, but by what faith they give. Jesus told a rich man who did all the things required of him, but who loved his status symbols too much to sell all of his stuff and give it to the poor. The man could not give up these things that stroked his own ego and walked away sad.

Catholic Christians are encouraged to give God 10 percent, whether that is to your local Parish, or to Catholic Charities, or a combination of such.

The Knights of Columbus is also a great charitable organization that does a lot of good in our communities. I encourage Catholic men to join the KofC or to support their efforts financially if they are active in your Parish.

Christians are called to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned, care for the sick, among other charitable things. That means either with your time and/or treasure.

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Yes. Are you Lutheran? ELCA, LCMS, or WELS?

Are you familiar that Luther had a great devotion to our Blessed Mother?

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Hi

I am Pentacostal.

I dont know if Luther had a devotion to her.

What needs to be done by the Vatican is the following

  1. Admit that Mary cannot forgive sins.
  2. Remove all statues of Mary from cathedrals.
  3. Give money made from indulgences to Israel.
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  1. Catholic Christians do not believe Mary forgives sins. You have been told something that isn’t true.
  2. Will you delete all pictures on your phone and in your photo albums? Will you also tell God that He was wrong to tell His faithful to put statues of cherubim on the Ark of the Old Covenant?
  3. Not going to happen. The State of Israel (founded in 1948) has nothing to do with the abuse of indulgences.
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My Wife’s Mom was raised Pentecostal. She was very anti-Catholic when I met her. She, like you, was taught a lot of false things about the Catholic Christian Church. It isn’t her fault, but rather the environment she was raised in.

I do commend you for asking questions here. Many do not give us the respect to actually find out what we believe and why we believe it. So, good on you for this. What other things have you been told about Catholic Christians?

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God said not to bow down to any idols or worship them.

He also said not call any man your Father.

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When the Japanese bow to one another in greeting, do are they worshiping one another?

What about those who take off their hat and pledge allegiance to a flag? Idolatry? For some, it kind of is.

We do not worship statues as deities. Statues are not alive. Like photographs, statues remind us of historical figures and loved ones. We do not worship these individuals. We do honor them though.

If you read Matthew 23:9 properly, you will understand that Jesus is not saying that you should not call anyone “father.” His point is that there is only one God and He is above all other names. If you read the very next verse, Jesus also says to call no one “teacher.”

If you read 1 Corinthians 4:15, St. Paul refers to himself as a spiritual father.

If you read 1 Timothy 1:2, the Apostle Paul refers to Timothy as his “true son in the faith” and Titus as well (Titus 1:4).

St. Jerome (420 AD), who translated the entire Bible into Latin by hand, wrote the following in regards to the verse you misinterpret, “But, one might ask, ‘Is it against this precept when the Apostle calls himself the teacher of the Gentiles? Or when, as in colloquial speech widely found in the monasteries of Egypt and Palestine, they call each other Father?’” He answers no. “…This does not make the terms father and teacher useless or prevent others from being called father.”

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‘Woman, this is your son; son, mother.’ Words to that effect, meaning that the Church is comprised of Our Lady’s sons and daughters. It was beneath the Cross (Christ dying in agony), so any words said there by Him were exclamations upon the way we are to approach the faith. Another example would be, where Christ says, “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do” and which tells us not to be judgemental.

Of course, you could also read between the lines of the whole of the New Testament and come to such conclusions that way.

You may as well discount the whole of Salvation History, however, if you intend on questioning such integral decisions made by the Church. Might as well make up your own version of Christianity and start your own protestant religion.

You are actually called to pray for an increase in wisdom and faith, in fact, and not just turn away sacred truths.

And to start off your research, to explain that any dogma stems from Scripture and so it is you start with Scripture. If you cannot be bothered, though, then maybe you’re just not prepared to comprehend certain revelations.

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Peace to all,

The Father Creates, the Mother Transforms all becoming Baptized into the Church for Jesus from Mary becoming transformed “In The Christ” for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in two natures becoming glorified and becoming again for all Creation transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Faithfully call Mary anything as the Catholic Church always does and we will not argue the Faith of the Catholic Church, but OMNiLogically, rationally, literally, Mary is God.

The Family of The Gods’ souls preexist before creation proving the Family all Gods from preexistence becoming alive and living in all mankind through the Christ becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

The Logical relationship is from the spirit for the created souls of all through the created flesh we become again Gods in a two nature family from the spirit family through the life becoming again for One Family in One God in being a Family.

Peace always,

mystic Stephen Andrew

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I am Evangelical Lutheran growing up. Protestant Christian.

Saints can be seen as “Giving prayers to saints so they can give it to Jesus” In the Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity

However, i wouldnt say i find that verified in the Bible either? Its not like Paul prays or praises any Saints in forms of delivering prayers, or anything in New Testament outside God and Jesus. And considering its very clear in “1 Timothy 2:5”

However, i think Catholics here are nice people. So i do appreciate their hospitality and generosity when it comes to answering questions.

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Better question to ask. Why can’t Catholic Priests marry, when Peter was married? Now thats a trick question :slight_smile:

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The Catholic Church acknowledges that St. Peter was married (Matthew 8:14), but maintains that mandatory priestly celibacy in the Latin Rite is a discipline, not a dogma or scriptural prohibition. While Peter was married before following Jesus, tradition holds that the Apostles gave up conjugal relations to dedicate themselves entirely to the Church.

The transition from a married clergy to a celibate one occurred over centuries, with the prohibition of marriage after ordination fully codified by the First and Second Lateran Councils in 1123 and 1139

Yes, it is possible to become a Catholic priest while married, though it is rare in the Latin (Western) Rite and usually limited to specific circumstances. Married men can be ordained if they are converting from other traditions (like Anglicanism) or within certain Eastern Catholic Churches. However, a priest cannot marry after ordination.

Eastern Catholic Churches: It is common for married men to be ordained priests, though they cannot marry again if their wife dies (a rule that applies to all married priests.

Latin/Roman Catholic Rite: Generally, priests must be unmarried and celibate. Married priests are almost exclusively former Protestant or Anglican ministers who have converted and received special permission from the Holy See

Married men can become Deacons

A widower can be ordained, but a divorced man requires an annulment.

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Mary’s concern regarding the lack of wine at the wedding in Cana was primarily driven by the severe social shame, scandal, and dishonor it would bring upon the newly married couple, compounded by her potential role as a relative or close friend assisting with the event. In ancient Jewish culture, running out of wine was a profound failure of hospitality.

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Peace to all,

The Marriage in Cana is of the union of The Immaculate Conception and The Eternal Priestly Authority, OMNiLoically, becoming “In The Christ” for all mankind.

Water and Wind are the two nature rebirth and salvation for all becoming again in One Family.

Mary is saving the Church, Saving The Hosts from embarrassment.

Mary is a personal connection and role in the creation of The Catholic Church, as she noticed the crisis early, was perhaps related to the hosts, and intervened to save them from embarrassment.

Mary is God, OMNiLogically, Yes.

Peace always,

Stephen Andrew

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I have read that. Still not convinced. “My time isnt yet”. Too vague.

Unless i can find one epistle where Paul is praying to a saint who is dead and its inclined with “Pray for us”. Then i just cant really buy into the thing of “Giving prayers to saints who are dead, so they can deliver it to Jesus”. Just isnt big enough evidence on the biblical account for me to go by

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Peace to all,

For all to go by, who even needs proof? Mary is God? But for all that do, here is proof, OMNiLogically. I have proof, I believe.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Mary reminds Jesus His time is now, and becoming In The Christ is the union of the Immaculate Conception with the Eternal Priestly authority in Cana, OMNiLogically. Mary is part of the Christ and died as becoming part of the New Living Sacrifice transforming glorifying and transfiguring all Creation One God in being with Jesus at the Cross from the Blood and Water Rebirth and Salvation through both natures from the incorruptible spirit through the immaculately immortal life becoming glorified for all of Creation becoming again transfigured in One Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.

“Let it become to me not my will but Your Will be done,” becomes from Mary, the First side Christ through the Immaculate Conception and Mother of God in 0 A. D. (Latin Anno Domini, for the beginning of Church time on earth and the Year of the Lord(s).)

From the Mind of God we become through the created flesh for created souls becoming in One Created Body.

When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. He said to them, “Bring some of the fish you just caught.” So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. He said to them, “Come, have breakfast.” And none of the disciples dared to ask him, “Who are you?” because they realized it was the Lord. He came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead.

OMNiLogically and faithfully, The Mind is conceived from logical intelligence for a created brain in the flesh manifested from the power of the spirit intelligence becoming for the flesh in the created Soul for the Body to think and do.

Romans 11:36

For from him, and through him, and for him are all things. In him is glory, for all eternity. Amen.

Logically form the God from the Faith of Abraham, the spirit manifests for the created souls through the flesh becoming One Body.

The Created Body is spirit manifested from spirit intelligence becoming through the flesh for the created souls to become again in One Family One God in being.

The Created Body is powered from spirit intelligence manifesting through the flesh from the power of the spirit intelligence becoming again One God.

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Mary is OMNiLogically and truely God.

Peace always,

Stephen Andrew

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The Scripture doesn’t rule out mediators between God and Men

(Genesis 18:27-33 )Abraham answered, ‘Let me take it upon myself to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes….

Adam,Noea, Abharam, Jacob,Moses, Aaron ,Job, David Elijah, Elisha,all the Prophets,Martyrs,Saints Mother Mary the Mother of God Queen Mother are mediators or intercessors to Jesus Christ

(Hebrews 12:1)Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and the sin that clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us

Eph 6:18-19 – making supplication for all the saints & for me:Tob 12:12 – angel presents Tobit & Sarah’s prayer to God;Ps 148 – David calls upon angels;Zech 1:12 – angel intercedes for Jerusalem;Mk 9:4 – Jesus seen conversing with Elijah & Moses;Lk 9:31 – Elijah & Moses aware of earthly events ;Rev 6:9-11 – martyrs under altar want earthly vindication;Lk 16:19-30 – departed rich man intercedes for brothers;Rev 20:4 – saw the souls of those who had been beheaded;Wis 3:1-6 – the souls of the just are in the hand of God;2Macc 15:7-16 – the departed Onias & Jeremiah pray for the Jews; Jas 5:16 Prayers of righteous man;Rev 5:8 – those in heaven offer prayers of the holy ones to God Finally in Him, through His,all in all, Jesus the only mediator,not for getting,Jesus always listens to His Mother.

Pax

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The point is that Christ is above all others. It is He alone Who atones for our sins.

1 Timothy 2:5 is in the context of Salvation. The very next verse says, “[He] gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.”

Others can definitely intercede for us, but they cannot save us.

So, I do not disagree with you and I think you have brought up a valid point. Thank you : )

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Catholics Pray to Jesus and ask Him to show mercy and offer sacrifices along with their’s ,almsgiving to the poor etc,offer to the Heavenly Father, through Jesus just like friends do ,Ruth 2:20 “The Lord bless him!” Naomi said to her daughter-in-law. “He has not stopped showing his kindness to the living and the dead.” She added, “That man is our close relative; he is one of our guardian-redeemers

2 maccabees 12:44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, so that they might be delivered from their sin.

1 Peter 4:6 For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.