Explaining the Trinity has always been hard, and some throw in the towel on their own logic and reject the Faith of Catholicism because no body understands Trinity until now, and I ask, why me, why is it me that gets to explain the Trinity so that even a child can understand it.
So, Ok I’ll accept the opportunity to excel, and this is not a me thing but for all thing.
To me the confusion is in the logical Holy Spirit Power.
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
What is the Holy Spirit, logically, rationally, in being? The Holy Spirit is not a Person, but is God Power.
The persons of God pre-existing before creation was ever created was even created in intelligence logic are The Father, The Son and The Mother.
Each have Powers and are equal in the Power of God and separately are fully God and together they are one God in being. The One God and Holy Spirit.
And rhetorically, we can ask, who are teh powers? We already know teh answer, The Father, The Mother and The Son. Logically the Trinity of Powers become the Holy Spirit as One in Being is God.
So simple, why me? Ok and rhetotically we ask? Can you now see? Yes.
The reason I am not commenting about your theory is because it is a bit new-agey sounding to me. It is for the same reason that space movies and deep-sea novels do not appeal to me. Even the idea of a Spiritual battle (angel vs demon forces) are hard for me to entertain. It isn’t that I do not believe these things (or realms) exist, it just doesn’t speak to me. It is like asking someone if they know how their smart-phone works. They might know how to do certain things on their phone, but they might not truly know how it works. You are diving deeper than surface level, whereas I am more interested in just knowing the things I am to do with all of this. If this makes sense.
Some of your theories are not spoken of by the Early Church Fathers and successors of the Apostles, so I am hesitant to entertain them on that accord.
Do not take offense to this. There are others who might be more understanding of what you are trying to convey. I appreciate you.
Hi Cade_One and does all of the logic appear to help?
I have learned so much from all of you, thank you all so much. To me the understanding logically is great and it is even greater to see the light in the peoples eyes.
To me logic is for the slower learners and my IQ is about 107 and so I have to learn concepts hard and deep as not to have to relearn them for relearning them, again. In pondering The Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit and 255 or so Dogmas of the faith, the logic becomes so clear and every day becomes more and more of an epiphany understanding the logical manifestation of God with in all mankind as one in being, with respect to the all of the Wondrous Mysteries of the Faith, to me.
To me the logic of The Holy Spirit is what is so easy to understand. The Powers of the Trinity are People, beings with special functions. Powers to Create and build from intelligence unknown finitely. They are of the Father, and God of Creation from the corrupt spirit through the mortal flesh with the freedom in the soul of choice to love or not to love and to choose to become from the powers of Transformation through the God of Mercy, Mary, God of Transformation from the Immaculate Conception through the New Eve of immortality in the flesh and incorruption from The Holy Spirit through the Virgin Birth The Christ through the flesh of Jesus God of Glorification and Transfiguration conceived by the Divine Family of God by the Powers of the Holy Spirit through the flesh of Jesus, The God of Justice for all to become again glorified and transfigured into the Will of Creation to love only and love with only the most love in One God One and Holy Spirit being.
To me this is the Real Picture of The Actual Catholic Trinity in logic that Jesus delivered through The Ark of The New Covenant. We see One Holy Spirit God and
To me the logic of The Holy Spirit is what is so easy to understand. the Powers are People, beings with special functions. Powers to Create and build from intelligence unknown finitely.
The Trinity. Let us talk common sense. Every can understand the concept of “God the Father”. (Except for the heart that is envious of God). Then we have the concept of “God the Son.” Why is the son equal to the Father. We are all God’s children. But the child, that son who bears to to us the message of the Father, his message is not different from the heart of the Father. His message is as good as hearing directly from God. Because his every word expresses the spirit of the heart of God. It is because of this reason, that God sends him to us, to teach us, to guide us, to direct us. So there is no difference between God the Father and God the son. We can relate to the son of God as we would relate to God himself, because he brings us directly, the message of God. He is the ambassador. Just like in politics of this world. The ambassador is not the president. But he is given all the respect that one would give to the president, because he is the authorized and empowered representative of the president. Therefore although Jesus is not God, we must show him the respect that is meant for God. This leaves us with the Holy Ghost. This is God’s all-pervasive spirit. God is in heaven, surrounded by the infinite number of heavenly hosts, the angels, his intimate associates. He sits on a throne, surrounded and glorified in this way. And those who glorify Him, have their hearts inundated with spiritual bliss. “Their cup runneth over.” However, at the same time, “Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord.” He is in heaven…but at the same time, every blade of grass on this planet moves under His jurisdiction! Just like, the president. He sits in his office. but when he passes a law, his power is manifest all over the country. That is crude example. It is not difficult for God to be blissfully seated on His throne in heaven, while at the same time, managing the movement of every blade of grass, the wind, the sprouting of every seed in the earth, the blossoming of every flower…and the activities of every man. Each of us is moved by God. But we are not moved in the same way. God has different powers, different energies. One of His energies is called Mammon". What is Mammon? Mammon is the the worldly self-centered orientation of the rebellious soul. Everyone is a servant of God. If we are not serving God, we are serving Mammon. And we are earning the rewards of serving Mamon. And if we are serving God directly we are guided in a very different way. All of this is going on under God’s supervision. He sends His messenger, Jesus, to us, and the choice is ours. it is our choice who we serve. But everyone is servant. This is the Holy Ghost. He is present in everyone’s heart. But to those who agree to surrender their hearts to Jesus, He allows us to feel His presence in our hearts. And He moves us differently. We don’t have to be strong to resist sin. We only have to be strong to come closer to Jesus, His son. And when we do, He frees us from being the slaves of the dictates of Mammon. And one who is freed in this way…that person has received the Holy Ghost. He resides in all of us. But not all of us are aligned with Him, through the mercy of His son. Those who are not aligned think that they are freely independent. But without the presence of God in our hearts, without His sanction, we can’t even take our next breath.
On July 1st, 1943, Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta His comparison of the Holy Trinity to light: The Notebooks: 1943 (pp. 55-56), because, as He puts it, “this [light] is the only thing that can represent God without being antithetical to His spiritual Essence.”
To me, The angels knew, were told by God of the becoming power of flesh in the New Heaven and Earth, Heaven, and Flesh is logically how mankind through The Christ saves the angels.
To me, First and third century Forefathers of the Trinity saw the Holy Spirit as a person and left the mother out of the Trinity, to me. To me, the Holy Spirit is a family and One God in being through three divine persons, the Father and the Mother and the Son. And they all existed before creation was ever created, making them Gods. To me, the Holy Spirit can’t be a family without the mother in the Trinity.
