Do Catholics support Mary Christ is God, Co-Redemptive Co-Mediator

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Peace to all,

And all we want to talk about is what is not important?

  • One Mediator: The Church maintains that In The Christ is the sole mediator between God and humanity (1 Tim 2:5).

If the Church says In The Christ is the mediator, then The Church, The New Eve is the Mediator too, Logically.

From the Moses seat, Faithfully Mary is Not God, but Logically Mary is God.

Who wants rebirth? Logically, faithfully?

Co Redemptively, Mary brings all into the Catholic Church from “Rebirth” through The New Eve Baptized becoming immortality in the flesh logically, but not faithfully.

Faithfully Mary is not Co-Redemptive, logically Mary is CoRedemptive, yes.

Logically, The Holy Spirit is the Family of God always together from The Father Throuh the Mother for The Son becomimg again for all In One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. But Faithfully the Holy Spirit is a person and God and Mary is not.

Faithfully all faiths come close to understanding the Powers in the Trinity.

What LDS, Catholics, Popes, Preachers and a lot of Christians do not know, OMNiLogically. They all come close and the story always changes fro them without Stephen Andrew’s phone number, they can never perhaps know “The Mind of God” OMNiLogically same God from the Catholic Faith from Abraham expressed OMNiLogically.

The go like, “Where is Stephen Andrew? Or perhaps Jacob, Son of Isaac, Son of Abraham? Oh Well, let us pick a story, any story and bind it to the Moses seat.”

The Catholic Church can believe it faithfully then till now from no fault of their own, but now from OMNiLogical God we know the logical truth.

Saint Paul delivered The Pentecost to the Gentiles to the Faithless in Corinth with Saint Peter, who said, “Who would not Baptize those in Corinth Saint Paul brought to the fire of The Holy Spirit?” Stephen Andrew delivers the fire of “The Mind of God” OMNiLogically to the Faithful in Catholicism.

“What is is to you if he should remain alive until I return, you must follow me.” Jesus and Mary Christ

From the first failed attempt at Salvation through the Fig Leaf, we could not hide, cover our own sins, so, God always says, “I will ““Choose”” The Living Sacrifice.”

The “Chosen” today becomes through The Host in the New Temple through the New Eve Baptized from The Incorruptible Sprit through The Immaculately Immortal Flesh becoming “In The Christ” from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven becoming again for all Creation in One God in Being a Family, OMNiLogically.

Peace always,
Stephen

Fatithfully The Father and the Son are God and Mary is not, because the Holy Spirit is a Person and there is no room for a forth person in the Trinity, but logically from three powers through two natures we become One Body becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family through the Mother.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Mary is not God. I don’t know what you mean by “Logically” God, unless you mean that all creation is sustained by God and if God was to cease to exist everything would cease to exist. But, beyond this, Mary is not nor ever will be God.

When we were Baptized, we became members of Christ’s mystical body. Jesus is God, but we are not God. This is what The Fall was all about. The serpent told them that they could become like God. I would have to research it more, but the LDS have a different take on this, which we reject.

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Peace to all,

When we become baptized, we become sanctified from Holy Spirit incorruption through immortality for the flesh through the new eve to be able to have become from death through resurrection, glorified, and transfigured.

Peace always,
Stephen

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GOD is GOD. But spiritual logic is different from material logic. Spiritual logic states that GOD has different potencies or energies. For example, when GOD says, “Let the be light!”, immediately light exists! In other words, GOD’s desire for something to exist, or to be…….is not different from its existence. All of GODs desires are creative. In this sense, GOD’s desire, and the objects of His desire are ONE. In the material world, when we have a desire, our desire is different from the object that we desire. But when GOD has a desire, the object of His desire immediately exists.
Similarly, the Bible tells us that in the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD. This is why Jesus says, “Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy NAME.” The NAME of GOD is not different from GOD. The NAME of GOD has the potency, or power of GOD. This is why Jesus says, “Hallowed by thy NAME (and if we make that sound vibration) Thy kingdom come; thy will be done, right here on earth, as it is in heaven.” Because the NAME of GOD has the power of GOD. This is the reason for repeating the rosary. This sound vibration puts us in touch with GOD, and purifies, spiritualizes our environment. The material world ……becomes spiritual …….because of the power of GOD’s name. It is a spiritual sound vibration.

Now…….all of GOD’s associates, exist because GOD has created them. They do not exist independently. GOD desired them to exists…..and therefore they exist. Another way of saying this, is that all of GOD’s associates (the heavenly host) exist because GOD desired them to exist. In other words, GOD’s desire is a creative energy, a creative potency. The creation is a manifestation of GOD’s creative potency. In this sense the creation is the energy of GOD. In this sense, the creation is part of GOD. But it is not the creator.

The bottom line is that everything in existence is a manifestation of GOD’s desire, GOD’s creative energy. If we can accept this reasoning, then we can accommodate the understanding that all that exists in the creation is GOD and His energies. We also are therefore the energy of GOD. In this sense, we are part of GOD. But we are not the CREATOR part; we are the CREATED part. In this way, we are inconceivably, simultaneously ONE with GOD, and different from GOD. Simultaneously ONE and DIFFERENT. We are separate individuals, but we are part of GOD. Our constitutional position in relation to GOD is that we are His eternal loving servants. But not all of us abide in our constitutional position. Some of us wish to behave independently. Like Adam and Eve.
Jesus is created by GOD, because GOD desired Jesus to exist. GOD is the creator. Jesus is His created SON. Therefore Jesus is simultaneously GOD and the ideal lover of GOD, for our example to follow. Therefore Jesus says, “Accept the yoke that I wear.” This yoke…. is the yoke of love of GOD.
Now we come to MARY. She is the mother of Jesus. She came into existence because GOD desired that His SON appear in the material creation. Mary is a very intimate loving servant of the LORD. We cannot think of her as one of us. It is though her womb that Jesus comes to us. Is Mary GOD? She is not the creator GOD; but she is a very intimate servant of GOD, and therefore we must have love and respect for Mary, Just as we have love and respect for Jesus. In fact, we cannot approach GOD directly. We can only approach GOD through His SON and through GOD’s intimate loving servants, like Mary. Because it is through opening our hearts to GOD’s intimate loving servants, like Jesus and Mother Mary that we can imbibe the taste, of love of GOD. This is why Jesus says that there is no way to approach the Father, except through him. The words “through him” mean that we have to learn love of GOD by allowing the loving presence of Jesus to saturate our hearts with his love for GOD. In this way, we become qualified to approach GOD through His Son, who has come to earth to share his love of GOD with us.
Official membership is good. It is a beginning. But we have to cultivate a lifelong heartfelt understanding of the love of Jesus, for our eternal Father. Mary also can help us in this way.

From Mary, under her guidance, we can cultivate feelings of love for Jesus. They are all part of GOD’s creative energy for our journey back to GOD. In this sense they are GOD, and at the same time they are GOD’s eternal loving servants. “Simultaneously One and Different.”

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Peace to all,

God is the Father that creates.
God is the Mother that transforms immortality through the Immaculate Conception for the flesh nature in the Virgin Birth of Jesus becoming brothers and sisters, Baptized into The Catholic Church through the New Eve.
God is the Son that glorifies incorruptibly for the spirit nature. We become Sons and Daughters of God from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgivn to be able to become again glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
God is the Holy Spirit from Three Powers uniting natures becoming together for transfiguration for all becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogicaly.

Peace always,
Stephen

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I think Catholics look at Saints, including Mary. As a Mailbox to Jesus, and then Jesus to God. Which to me… doesn’t make much sense. Since i can’t find that reference anywhere in the Bible. Outside praising both God and Jesus.

If giving your prayers to Saints and Mary was a thing? Then why don’t i ever hear Apostle Paul asking Mary to Pray for him? “Yes i know the automatic apologetic response is in the Epistle of James” (James 5:13-20), but thats not asking dead Saints to do it for him, but to ask righteous people to pray for people who are sick or ill or has lost their way in faith.

But any reference to dead Saints that they deliver prayers too? Since there is no evidence of this. Therefor it makes no sense to me

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Peace to all,

From the Faith of Catholicism OMNiLogic brings “The Mind of God” to all becoming logically again in One God in being.

Saint Paul delivered The Pentecost to the Gentiles to the Faithless in Corinth with Saint Peter, who said, “Who would not Baptize those in Corinth Saint Paul brought to the fire of The Holy Spirit?” Stephen Andrew, son of Mary Agnus and William Joseph Born in Philadelphia on the Eve of the Immaculate Conception delivers “The Mind of God” OMNiLogically to the Faithful in Catholicism.

“What is is to you if he should remain alive until I return, you must follow me.” Jesus and Mary Christ

From the first failed attempt at Salvation through the Fig Leaf, we could not hide, cover our own sins, so, God always says, “I will ““Choose”” The Living Sacrifice.”

The “Chosen” today becomes through The Host in the New Temple through the New Eve Baptized from The Incorruptible Sprit through The Immaculately Immortal Flesh becoming “In The Christ” from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven becoming again for all Creation in One God in Being a Family.

Dead Saints awaited in the Bosom of Abraham with the angels and Old Covenant Saved from the spirit awaiting resurrection through the flesh becoming “In The Christ” from Sacrifice through Penance in the Host, the “Chosen” New Living Sacrifice becoming forgiven in both natures from the spirit through the life in the flesh from the Immaculate Mary’s incorruptible Immortal Flesh for Jesus becoming “In The Christ” for all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
mystic Stephen Andrew

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Oh no not this nonsense again. Geez :roll_eyes:

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Peace to all,

Stay with us from the Faith of Catholicism becoming logical for all to see God OMNiLogically.

Hence if The Father is God and The Son is God,
then, therefore, the Mother is God, logically.

Faithfully the Church can say anything. And we as logical Catholics do not judge.

The salvation of humanity was accomplished by God’s only begotten Son, Jesus from Sacrifice “In The Christ” through Penance.. The Passion and Death and resurrection “In The Christ,” is dual role. Redeemer, was not only sufficient but “superabundant” satisfaction for human guilt and the consequent debt of punishment. But God willed that this work of rebirth be accomplished from the Immaculate Conception through the collaboration of a “Woman in the Word”. “When the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman” (Gal. 4:4).

Logically The Family of God pre-existed in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

The Christ is The Cana Union of Two Gods from the Immaculate Conception through the Eternal Priestly Authority becoming “In the Christ” for all mankind.

What is Chosen is the Sacrifice and picked to carry the “Chosen” Sacrifice are the Hebrews out of Egypt to Jerusalem to the Promise Land through the Temple.

Through two natures from the spirit through the created souls of all for the created flesh all mankind becomes through The Christ becoming again for alll Creation in One Divine Family One God in being,

Picked to carry the “Chosen” Sacrifice are brothers and sisters becoming Sons and Daughters of God becoming again for all Creation in One Divine Spirit Family One God in being.

Logically, The Family is the Holy Spirit. The Mother is one of three persons pre-existing souls and Gods equal in the powers of God, separately Gods in being and together One Holy Family.

Logical God is from the Faith of Abraham.

Peace always,
Stephen

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If you are a Protestant, maybe a better analogy might be you going to a friend who understands what you are experiencing. And you ask this individual to Pray with you. Do you have a problem with this? If a friend came to you and asked you for your Prayers, would you rebuke him and say, “Go directly to Jesus” or “You don’t need me to Pray with you, you can just Pray by yourself.”

Do you think Jesus is offended when Christians Pray for/with one another? St. Paul often tells believers to Pray for one another. Jesus even tells us to Pray for our enemies (Matthew 5:44)!

The Bible does not provide and account of Mary and St. Paul ever meeting. St. Paul’s conversion happened after the Resurrection, and he primarily focused his ministry on Gentiles (Mary was Jewish, which became Christianity, the new Israel).

Do you believe God is a God of the living or a God of the dead (Matthew 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38)?

When a Christian passes from this life, do you believe they are cut off from the mystical body of Christ?

Or maybe you believe that when someone dies, their soul is frozen until Christ’s final return (I know some Evangelicals who believe this). Do you?

In Revelation, we see Angels and the twenty-four elders delivering Prayers of the saints (or faithful) to God (Revelation 8:3-4; Revelation 5:8).

I am not telling you that you must ask the Saints to Pray for you. I am not even telling you that you must ask others here on earth to Pray for/with you. But, what I am saying is that God delights when His children Pray for one another (even if you claim He doesn’t). And He delights when His children Pray for their enemies (even if you claim He doesn’t).

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Peace to all,

“Finite Minds can never understand the infinite disciplines from The Dominion but OMNiLogically we can see God with New OMNiLogicalEyes.” Stephen Andrew

Logically Saint Paul does not understand the Logical Mind of God. Saint Paul delivered the Faith to the Faithless in Corinth through the Power of the Holy Spirit Family who was with Saint Peter, for the Pentecost of the Gentiles, all non-jews for all over the world. The Jewish Pentecost was in the Upper Room. “My Lord and My God!”

Mary’s Co-Redemption is through the New Temple in the New Eve, His Passion, for all becoming Baptized into the Catholic Church to be able to receive The Host, the Body, Blood, Souls and Divinity of the Holy Family from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven for all mankind in both natures from the Spirit through the flesh “In The Christ” becoming again for all Creation in The New Heaven and Earth is The Promise Land fulfilled becoming again in One God in being a Family, OMMiLogically.

We know, faithfully, Jesus “Saves” but how can we be reborn with out the Catholic Church for all “Reborn” from The Immaculate Conception through the New Eve into the “New Israel” in The New Living Temple, “In The Christ?” OMNiLogically.

The Holy Family was was not yet identified and Faithfully Christians became to know the Holy Spirit.

Saint Paul wrote Romans yet not until OMNiLogic, could anyone understand the Logical Mind of the Holy Family becoming again in One God in being, until today 2026 A.D., I believe.

For from him and through him and for him are all things.
In him be the glory forever! Amen.

Logically today, with advances in language, now all can realized, from Romans we are Created from a Holy Spirit Family of logical intelligence undefiled from Powers preexisting from Creation only logically becoming created from The Father through The Mother for The Son conceived through The Divine Powers becoming alive and living for all through One Body “In The CHrist” becoming again for all Creation fulfilled from the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries in the Catholic Faith becoming again One Family from Dust.

“Finite Minds can never understand the infinite disciplines from The Dominion but OMNiLogically we can see God with New OMNiLogicalEyes.” Stephen Andrew

Mary is God always together with The Father and The Son in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being becoming again for all Creation from Three “Jealous” Powers and Gods preexiting through two natures becoming again in One Holy Family One God in being, a Family.

Saint Paul with Saint Peter brings the Faith to the Faithless, Stephen Andrew brings the Logical Mind of The Holy Family to the Faithful Catholics becoming OMNiLogical.

Through OMNiLogicalGod the Faithful become logical, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen
The OMNiLogical Pen of The Holy Family One God in being.

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That’s how I think of it as well. A postal system. Why would I send a letter to a 3rd party for them to then go and send it to where I want it sent. That would take longer and has a higher chance of getting lost in the mail. I can just as easily send my letter via direct post to the destination that I desire which is God.

Plus is the postal system of Mary or any other saint as efficient as the postal system of God himself. Off course not. A saints postal service cannot process all these letters as well as God can.

PS. I’m definitely not using the postal system of America or any other country here, it’s just a figure of speech. The postal system I’m using are my prayers to God :folded_hands:

God bless

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Peace to all,

36 For of him The Postal Father, and through him The Postal Mother, and for him, The Postal Son, are all things: in him, The Postal Family be glory for ever. Amen.

Arked to Earth is from the “Postal” Gods peexisting in logical undefiied imtelligence becoming again for all Creation in One God in being, Special Delivery return receipt requested.

Yes. Lord, let it become to us not our will but Your Will be done to Your Family becoming again in all.

The Logical Postal System becomes from Creation delivered First Class Return Receipt from the Mind of God becomes flesh through the Immaculate Conception in Holy Spirit Incorruption becoming for Jesus becoming The New Adam becoming One Body “In The Christ” for all mankind “Special Delivery” first class New Covenant Ark Delivered for all becoming again for all Creation in One Hoily Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

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I think that the saints in Heaven can pray for us especially well because they can see things more clearly. (By the way, I don’t think Lars mentioned any objection to asking people to pray for us while they are alive on Earth.) Most Protestants, I think, do object to praying to anyone except God.

I also think that the saints in Heaven can assist us in special ways as God permits. Saint Therese of Lisieux said she wanted to spend her heaven doing good on Earth (that doesn’t prove that she is doing so, but a lot of people are convinced that they have been assisted by her). One of the Sisters on Molokai, where the Sisters were serving the lepers, after the death of Mother Marianne Cope, got the impression that Mother Marianne said to her, “Now I will help you more than I could before.” That doesn’t prove anything, but maybe it’s true.

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I do not view Prayer as the delivery system, but as the contents of the letters. Prayer is about relationship. It is about sharing our lives with God and with others.

There are some who try to automate Prayer. They treat Prayer like magic. They want to remove God rom the process. Take the person out of the process.

We are nearing a time when creating life is made more efficient. Everything is done in a lab. God is removed from the process. Human beings’ cooperation with God’s design is also replaced.

Yes, getting Married, participating in pro-creation, carrying your child to term, is less efficient, but more beautiful. Prayer, is also more beautiful when we Participate in it, as God intended, which is for relationship with Him and for lifting one another up in Prayer and inviting others to Pray with us. There is beauty in this. Is it less efficient? Sure.

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And that’s all fine. I’m just saying I prefer to pray to God

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Peace to all,

Peace to all,

Saint Paul wrote in Romans:
Romans 11:36
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

So true, The Personal Relationship for all is from the Holy Family One God in being through all becoming for all becoming again In One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

For from The Father and through The Mother, Mary and for Jesus are all things. To The Holy Spirit Family One God in being be the glory forever! Amen.

At first glance Rebirth and Salvation as Catholic is curious, then, that He would ask, “Who are my mother and brothers?” in [Matthew 12:48] Upon asking the question, “Who are my mother and brothers?” Jesus answers it, pointing out His disciples and telling the crowd that His disciples were His mother and brothers. In other words, the relationships that really matter in the eternal scheme of things are those relationships based on rightly relating to God. OMNiLogically we become again from Rebirth Baptized becoming to the Catholic Church in the New Eve through Salvation in the New Adam through The Host from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven for all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

So true, the personal relationship is becoming from The Holy Family and the Holy Family becomes alive and lives in all mankind becoming again for all Creation is “In The Christ” The New Living Sacrifice "Chosen by God, God always says, From the Faith of Abraham, from Adam and Eve’s failed attempt from only a God made solution from a man-made attempt for salvation using a Fig Leaf? God says, “Why are you hiding?” “I will choose the Living Sacrifice,” from Mary for Jesus from Baptism into the Catholic Church through Sacrifice in Penance becoming forgiven for all mankind becoming “In The Christ” through the Host becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

And each God is equal in the Powers of God and separately Gods in being and always together in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

God of Creation is from Our Father through the garden for Adam an Eve creating love becoming again through the New Eve, Mary, God of Mercy, God of Transformation and Queen of Heaven preexisting and Announced from Angel Gabriel becoming sanctified immortalized and incorruptible “Woman in the Word” through the Immaculate Conception for Jesus, God of Justice, God of Glorification always existing Eternal Priestly Authority becoming in the New Adam Virgin Born from Family Souls preexisting not requiring blood and water birth becoming conceived alive and living through the flesh from the Word becoming for all mankind becoming Baptized transformed through The Christ for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven for all mankind becoming again for all Creation glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. OMNiLogically.

The is no OMNiLogical Salvation outside of The Catholic Church through the New Eve from Mary for all in “Rebirth” for all through the Immaculate Conception becoming for all in the Catholic Church Baptized through the New Eve. And there is no salvation OMNiLogically without the Host from Sacrifice through Penance becoming from the Catholic Church through the Host, The Body, Blood, Souls and Divinity of The Holy Family One God in being becoming forgiven through both natures through the Immaculate Flesh from the Power of The Holy Spirit Family becoming One Body through the Host becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen