To my brothers and sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ. May Gods grace and peace be with you and your loved ones.
A few months ago the Catholic church under Pope Leo released a document. It said that calling Mary a co redeemer and co mediator was causing confusion among Catholics. It said that only Jesus holds those titles of redeemer and mediator.
Any thoughts on that?
Peace to all,
To truly understand the Logical Mind of God, we need Stephen’s Phone number, OK, just a little forward here, I mean, logically we can understand the Mind of God becoming flesh from The Family of Gods becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.
Pope Leo understands math and I am sure Pope Leo can understand logic, OMNILogically, I believe.
Mary is Co_redemptive becoming through the Immaculate Conception in the New Eve for all Baptized becoming immortality from the living waters for the created souls of all through the flesh becoming immortality for all becoming through the New Eve into the Catholic Church.
The Sacraments from death to life from the Incorruptible Holy Spirit Family One God in being for Jesus becoming in the New Adam through From Sacrifice through Penance through the Immortal flesh Baptized through Mary becoming in The New Eve becoming in the Christ for all mankind, OMNiLogicaly.
To me and right off of the logical cuff, Mary is Queen of Heaven preexisting and God of Mercy in undefiled logical intelligence through the Immaculate Conception from the Annunciation becoming on the spot real time through a singular grace from God becoming for all incorruption and immortality in One Body for the New Eve when Our Mother says, “Yes Lord, let it become to me not my will but Your Will.” Mary becomes the Immaculate Conception transformed Immaculate Flesh Immortalily from the Power of the Incorruptible Holy Spirit Family Incorruption in One Body through Mary and God for Mary becoming through the New Eve for the Virgin Birth of Jesus becoming through the Christ for all becoming Baptized into the Catholic Church, OMNiLogically. Mary and God is OMNiLogically always together with the Father and the Son and Gods in One Holy Family preexsting through Powers becoming alive and living in all from creation transformation and glorification for all mankind becoming again transfigured for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
United we become as One God in being from One Father through One Mother for One Son becoming through The Christ for all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically, through all generalizations.
Pope Leo has yet to become to know the Logical Mind of God, OMNiLogically.
Can someone tell the Pope Mary is God, please?
Peace always,
Stephen
There is one meditator between God and men: Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5).
Christ gave himself for us (redeemed us)—there are many Bible verses about this, such as Hebrews 9:12.
My understanding: We can help in Christ’s work, but we are adding to it. None of us can redeem anybody. Even when priests act as mediators—in confession, for example—they are using the authority that Christ gave them. They could not forgive sins without Him. Merriam Webster’s first definition for the prefix co is “together” (plus a few synonyms); the second meaning, and a very common usage, is “to the same degree” (equally). Could anybody besides Christ be co-mediator or co-redeemer? Maybe in the sense of working together with Him but in an auxiliary role. Not in the second sense of being equal. Mary can be seen as a helper (as we all could) in the work of redemption but not equally our redeemer. These titles that the pope said could cause confusion do not indicate that Mary can be considered only an auxiliary; rather, they could just as well mean “equal,” which she is not.
Peace to all,
Faithfully, the Church can say anything about Mary and it is bound by the Moses Seat, but to me logically The Mother of God is equal in the Powers of God in the Holy Family.
Does anyone think Family Logic existed before creation was ever created was even created? Preexistence is proof of God.
Jesus told Maria Valarta, the pen of Jesus to venerate Mary.
In the writings attributed to Maria Valtorta—specifically in The Notebooks 1943 and The Poem of the Man-God—the persona of Jesus often directs the visionary (referred to as “Little John” or his “pen”) to contemplate, honor, and imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Key aspects of these reported revelations regarding the veneration of Mary include:
Recognize her as Co-Redemptrix: In the writings, Jesus describes Mary’s sufferings as exceeding those of the martyrs and states that “everything… you have through Mary!”
Mary became the mind of God from the annunciation through the immaculate conception when Mary said let it become not my will, but Your Will be done to me.
Catholicism is the only Faith resurrecting life from the spirit, OMNiLogically.
The God from The Faith of Abraham resurrects all from out of the Bosom of Abraham through the flesh for all through two natures becoming again One Family.
Gods preexist in a Holy Family and each God is equal in the powers of One God in being becoming again for all creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
What will happen by saying it like this is that those who already misunderstand the teaching of these will say that the Church has changed her teaching, when she has not.
Protestants misunderstand what we mean and the theology behind Mary being co-redemptrix. It comes from the Early Church Fathers who pointed out that Mary is the “New Eve” (see Justin Martyr, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Cyprian, and St. Ambrose, who all described Mary as the New Eve).
Essentially it is this, Where Adam (and Eve), by their disobedience to God, brought sin and death into our world, Jesus (and Mary), by their obedience to God, brought reconciliation and life into our world.
The prefix co, does not mean equal to. Eve played a part in Adam’s sin, but Adam is responsible for the fall. Mary played a part in the redemption of the world, but Jesus is responsible for rising and conquering death.
Jesus is divine and Mary is not divine.
Another way that Mary is the New Eve is that when God made Eve, she was called a “helper” (Genesis 2:18) and Mary refers to herself as the handmaid, or “helper”, of the Lord (Luke 1:38).
Lastly, when you read Genesis 3:15, it says God would put enmity between the woman and the serpent and between her Son and the serpent’s offspring. May is often called “woman” in the New Testament. Not as a derogatory term, but rather a callback to this promise.
Many Protestants (not so much the so-called Reformers) put enmity between Mary and Jesus. Mary is on Team Jesus. If you are not on Team that Mary is on, then you must be on Team Serpent. Don’t be on Team Serpent and don’t put Mary as the Team Captain. Jesus is our Team Captain. I hope this makes sense.
As far as co-mediator goes, I want to parrot what @Literalman said, there is one meditator between God and man: Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5). However, this verse is referring to salvation and less about Prayer.
We believe in the Communion of Saints. And we believe that those who die in this life, but are alive in Christ are not separated from the body. In fact, we believe they are more alive than Christians are here on Earth. And we ask for their Prayers. Mary, the Theotokos, “Mother of God,” we ask for her Prayers.
At the foot of the Cross, Jesus looked at His beloved and then to Hid Mother, and said, “Woman, behold your Son” and to His disciple, “Behold your Mother” (John 19:26-27). In a spiritual sense, Mary become our blessed Mother.
Also, Christ is King! And Mary, as His Mother is Queen. And we see in the Old Testament that Queens played a special role in the Kingdom. They held a place of honor. And thus, we honor Mary.
Another contributing factor in all of this is that some Bible translations refer to “the woman” in Genesis and in Revelation as being the one who crushes the head of the serpent/dragon, while other translations refer to “the seed of the woman” (Jesus) as being the one who crushes the head of the serpent/dragon. This is why many statues of Mary depict her crushing a snake under he foot.
The reality is that Mary played a part (she is a handmaid of the Lord). She is the “New Eve.” And her seed (Genesis 3:15; Revelation 20:2), Jesus, did/does/will conquer the the serpent/dragon. Thanks be to God! ♱
Again, I hope this makes sense.
Have a good night : )
There is the matter of papal infallibility.
The Pope is preserved from error by the Holy Spirit when officially defining doctrines on faith or morals.
That’s a Catholic dogma that is supposed to be adhered to so that divisons don’t occur within the RCC
Peace to all,
Catholic Talk is becoming logically for all becoming again in One God in being OMNiLogically through two natures from the spirit through the life from three Gods in being preexisting in Family Powers and Personal Gods in One Holy Family One God in being becoming alive and living in all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through all generalizations from The Faith of Abraham, I believe.
The Christ Body is The Spiritual Marriage for all Mankind is from Mary in the Immaculate Conception through the Power of the Holy Spirit Family in the Eternal Priestly Authority for Jesus in the New Adam becoming through The Christ for all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.
The Autonomy of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being is becoming justified and self-righteous from the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries in The Catholic Faith to be able to stand transformed immortally and spiritually incorruptible and Sanctified before the Family of God to be able to become again glorified and transfigured for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Logically rebirth is through the New Eve for all Baptized becoming immortality through Holy Spirit Incorruption for all and salvation is Virgin Born for Jesus in the New Adam becoming through The Christ for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.
We are Created failed from the spirit for the created souls of all through the created failed mortal flesh of Adam and Eve and We become from Baptism through the living waters for the created souls of all becoming immoral flesh from the Power of the Incorruptible Holy Spirit Family One God in being through the New Eve into the Catholic Church.
We first become brothers and sisters for all through the New Eve, i believe.
Co-Redemption is flesh nature rebirth from Holy Spirit Incorruption for all Baptized for Rebirth through the living waters for all mankind from Mary for all becoming Baptized becoming transformed brothers and sisters in all mankind through Mary from the living waters through transformed immortal flesh from the power of the Holy Spirit becoming for One Body for all in the New Eve.
There are two Sacraments from death to life, Baptism for rebirth flesh immortalization frmm Sacrifice through Penance becoming Holy Spirit Incorruption for all through The Christ. From the living waters in Baptism through The Blood of God from Sacrifice becoming again is for all through The Christ in both natures from the incorruptible spirit through the immaculately immortal life becoming for all Creation in One Body of Christ for all becoming again glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
And we become Sons and Daughters of God for Jesus in the New Adam from Sacrifice in Penance forgiven through The Christ, I believe.
And Co-Redemption is from Sacrifice through Penance becoming Salvation for all becoming Sons and Daughters of God From the Immaculate Conception for Jesus Virgin Born in the New Adam becoming through The Christ for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind re-Sanctified through the Words of Absolution from Confession in Penance becoming forgiven becoming in Communion with Him Confirmed and re-Sanctified through Holy Spirit incorruption for resurrection to be able to become again from death for all creation transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.
Gods in The Holy Spirit Family are all Gods, Mary is God, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
Mary IS co-redeemer, mediatrix (co mediator). Saying she isn’t is satanic. She herself declared this, as did many popes, bishops, and every sort of clergy before this new pope. Jesus IS redeemer and mediator, and the only one at that, the key word is CO. Mary isn’t redeemer or mediator she is CO redeemer and CO mediator. No catholic is confused by this except apparently the new pope.
Peace to all,
So true Sister Nightingale.
Mary is part of the Christ through the new living sacrifice that is the immaculate conception through The New Exe, truly God of Mercy Queen of Heaven, pre-existing in undefiled logical intelligence.
Peace always,
Stephen
I looked in four dictionaries, and two of them specifically indicated that one meaning of the prefix co- is “equal to” or “to the same degree.”
Some examples:
A co-worker is a fellow worker. The word doesn’t imply that the person is less important, less responsible, or less skilled than the other workers, even though the person might be; it does imply equal status.
A cosponsor (of a law, for example) is a joint sponsor; it might be someone adding a signature to someone else’s statement, or it could be one of two or a handful who are equally originating a proposal.
A copliot is an assistant pilot but has full responsibility for the safety of the aircraft and has the skills to take over if necessary.
A co-signer assumes complete responsibility for a debt and is fully capable of paying it if the main debtor defaults.
Jesus paid the debt for our sins, but Mary was not capable of paying it.
These co- titles given to Mary don’t come with asterisks and footnotes to say that she isn’t a mediator like Jesus and did not pay the price for our sins. So I would say that the titles are open to confusion if the Church doesn’t mean that Mary is an equal mediator and redeemer.
By the way, you said you would parrot me, Cade, and just this week I was reflecting that AI seems to be an artificial parrot rather than artificial intelligence. I’m not saying that you are really AI. Awk! Want a cracker?
Peace to all,
Sin is failed in two natures becoming fulfilled through the Immaculate Conception for The Eternal Priestly Authority, becoming in the Christ for all mankind.
Mary is God and Jesus is God and the Father is God in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
Catholics are called to follow the teachings of the RCC and not invent their own doctrines like other denominations do.
I am pleased that the Pope has cleared things up because I was totally confused. As he said Mary is not a co redeemer nor is she a co mediator. Those titles are only held by our Lord Jesus Christ who was sent by God to spill His blood and suffer the pain of the crucifixion for our salvation. Only Christ can redeem us. Only Christ is our mediatior. I don’t have to pray to Mary for any kind of intercession.
According to the RCC people who refuse to follow the teachings of the RCC are not Catholics at all. The Pope’s word is infallible. Mary co redeemer and co mediator is not a Catholic teaching but a false teaching not guided by the Holy Spirit but guided by the evil one trying to take the focus off of our Lord saviour Jesus Christ. I’m sorry if people don’t like it but that is the truth.
This religion is confusing to me. Why is it that you have people in your own religion that can’t agree on what’s true? I’m not saying this to push buttons, I’m legitimately asking, because it’s like being Catholic is like this spectrum. We had one woman on here who is pro-choice and supports the LGBTQ+ community, and she identifies as a Catholic. We have another person on here who hated Pope John Paul II who also identifies as Catholic. And now we have people who truly believe that Mary is co-redeemer and co-mediator, and others like yourself who doesn’t believe in that. Don’t you guys know what you believe and what you don’t? Cause having people in your own religion disagree on fundamental issues is wild to me.
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This religion is confusing to me. Why is it that you have people in your own religion that can’t agree on what’s true? I’m not saying this to push buttons, I’m legitimately asking, because it’s like being Catholic is like this spectrum. We had one woman on here who is pro-choice and supports the LGBTQ+ community, and she identifies as a Catholic. We have another person on here who hated Pope John Paul II who also identifies as Catholic. And now we have people who truly believe that Mary is co-redeemer and co-mediator, and others like yourself who doesn’t believe in that. Don’t you guys know what you believe and what you don’t? Cause having people in your own religion disagree on fundamental issues is wild to me.
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I understand your concern. The main thing about being a Catholic is that we must follow the teachings of the RCC. Their doctrines and teachings are guided by the Holy Spirit, otherwise it causes division when people decide to follow other paths. People that refuse to follow the teachings of the RCC aren’t really Catholics at all despite claiming to be.
It’s all about faith in the RCC, not going your own way and against the RCC like many unfortunately do
May Gods peace be with you
I left the Church cause intellectually it was causing all sorts of chaos for me. But, I agree, if you’re going to subscribe to a certain religion, to me it would only make sense you would try to do what that religion tells you to do. The problem is, not everyone (at least not freely) subscribes to religion. Some people are born into households that force their children to attend mass, and the thing of it is, the parents who do this kind of thing only have the best of intentions. But, you can have the best of intentions but the result of those intentions can be bad.
I think I was one of those kids who, at my core, didn’t really believe in everything the Church taught. I was forced to go, cause if I spoke ill against the Church or if I ever told my parent I didn’t want to go to Church, it would just cause arguments to break out. And, here’s the thing, I tried to do the right thing, I really did. When I was growing up, I tried my best to do what God and the Church wanted me to do. But, I always had these little doubts pop up in my mind, but I was always quiet about it, because I was under the impression that maybe that was Satan trying to get me to leave or to not want anything to do with the Church anymore.
Part of the reason why I think parents bring their children to Mass is partially because they might feel like Spiritually that’s something they should do. That when they die, they’re somehow responsible for their children’s souls, so they bring them to Mass. But I think the other reason they do it is because, it’s just a good thing to instill morals and values into kids as they grow up.
However, if I ever had a child, I’d let the child decide. Yes children don’t have a fully developed will or brain, so they’re trying to make sense of the world around them yet, but to me it’s about respect for the child. Now, would I not try to instill morals and values into my own children? No, I would most definitely try to instill at least a good foundation. But, I would mostly parent my child by asking them what it is they want to do. My only job as a parent is to teach my child the difference between right and wrong. Anything else is really up to my child and not up to me as a parent. As a parent I’m supposed to be a parent and teach my children that this is right and this is wrong, and as a parent I would support anything it is my child wanted to do (granted it’s within reason). I think that forcing a child to go to Church at an early age isn’t really respecting the child’s Free Will. Yes, their Will isn’t fully developed, but that’s where I come in and teach them what to do and what not to do. And I would support them every step of the way. If my child wanted to go to Church because they truly want to go, I would support that. And if my child didn’t want to go to Mass, that’s ok too.
Children are our future. And we want our children to be happy, and live happy and fulfilling lives, but I think you’re doing a disservice to your child when you force your child to do something they really don’t want to do. It’s a form of slavery, and our children are already going to have to deal with a lot as the years go by, it’s best to make your child’s life as painless as possible.
If someone’s heart really isn’t into something, they’re not going to give it their all. In fact, most people when they don’t like something tend to not give 110% to whatever it is they hate. There’s just no passion there. I wish I was never born into Catholicism, because it has only complicated things for me and not made things better, granted my loss of faith is a bit more complicated than just that. But, now that I’ve decided to search for the truth myself, my family has basically mentally checked out on me. If anything, my family tolerates me, but it just comes to show you that, this life we live in is indeed an illusion. If a family truly loved their other family members, leaving the Church wouldn’t be grounds for treating that family member any different from other family members. This life is an illusion, we live in a simulation, and the only way anyone is going to get out of this prison is through knowledge, because something I have learned is that the love that I was born with was manufactured….it wasn’t real love, it was more about security than it ever was about love. Cause now that I’ve decided to truly question things and not just believe anything on the surface, I am treated as a stranger in my family. I’m treated as if I don’t belong, and ever since I’ve been trying to find the truth, I never belonged. This family I was born into is not my real family. I am not this body, this mind, I’m none of this. Jake is just a character I play in this 3rd Dimensional Reality, because my real home is on a different planet, and my real name is not Jake or Jacob. It’s not ignorance, it is the truth, and the truth is uglier than anything Catholicism has come up with. It’s way deeper and way uglier than what Catholicism teaches. Catholicism is like an after school special compared to the truth I’ve found.
Peace to all,
So true faithfully we want to believe as the Church.
What the Church says, is The Faithful truth, bound by the Moses Seat, but not the logical truth, OMNiLogically, i believe.
Thanks in advance and thanks for reading , No one is arguing the Faith of the Catholic Church. I am only OMNiLogically trusting and verifying from Undefiled Logical Intelligence through The Mind of God in the logical formulas of the Wondrous Mysteries of the Catholic Faith becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Rationally, I believe Jesus came to unite all as One God in being.
Mary is Logically God preexisting Queen of Heaven and Mother of God, Our Mother from the Power of The Holy Spirit Family One God in being and Our Sister through the Flesh from the Immaculate Conception becoming through The New Eve for all mankind Baptized becoming into the Catholic Church.
We know not to preach of proselytize and only in generalization can we logically become again as One Holy Family One God in being, OMNiLogically, I believe.
The Holy Family Members are all Gods and each God is equal in the Powers of God and separately Personal Gods in being preiexisting proving The Holy Family all Gods from Pre-existence always together and in One Holy Spirit Family One God in beng, OMNiLogically.
Logical rebirth and salvation is “The New Evangelism” for Catholicism OMNiLogically. From The Father We, all mankind is created failed from the corrupt spirit for our created souls becoming through the failed mortal flesh becoming One Body from Adam and Eve.
Peace always,
Stephen
It makes me sad to read that you don’t have a good relationship with your parents. I didn’t either for a while, I was like a black sheep, my parents brought me up as a Catholic and I respect them for that. I don’t think that letting a child decide is a good idea nor leaving them at home by themselves when you go to church.
But I turned away from God and believed the scientific theory of evolution. But then I found that the theory was severely flawed and founded on hoaxes. I found Satan basically leading me astray and so I started on my path back to God.
I don’t claim to know everything, in fact there is much that I don’t understand and I don’t think anyone on this earth will ever understand everything.
I wish you the best on your journey towards the light of God, that you are guided by the Holy Spirit and i pray that Gods grace and peace be with
I’m sorry my friend, I’m not sure what you mean by “omnilogically”, but what your saying goes against the teaching of the RCC.
There is a big split among so called Catholics now. Some have become Marion cultists. They believe that Mary is equal to God and/or that Mary can save our souls. This directly contradicts the teachings of the Catholic Church, it has never taught this, it clearly says that God is above all and that only Jesus can save our souls.
I pray that you find truth through the teachings of the RCC. God bless
Amen! What the title is referring to, however, is Mary’s role in redemption. Just as Eve played a role in the fall, Mary also played a role in our redemption. Jesus did not spawn to earth as a grown, nąked man like Arnold Schwarzenegger in “The Terminator.”
Correct, you don’t have to Pray to Mary for her intercession, nor the Saints, nor have to ask others to Pray for you. You can Pray only to Jesus, whom they would also be Praying to.
The word Pray means “to ask.” St. Paul asked other Christians in his letters to Pray for him. If mediator means only Pray to Jesus (which is a Protestant interpretation of the text), then the Apostle Paul was in the wrong by asking others to Pray for him and to Pray for rulers and our enemies. He would be asking you to “mediate” (if that is what is meant by 1 Timothy 2:5, which it is not).
It is not wrong to ask others to Pray for us. In fact, I would say that it is good to ask others to unite with us in Prayer, as we are all members of Christ’s body.
Mediation in 1 Timothy 2:5 is referring to Salvation, not to Prayer. Read verse 4. Also read 1 Corinthians 8:6, Hebrews 8:6, 9:15, 12:24, and Romans 5:15. These are all referring to Jesus as mediator (again, having to do with salvation).
Another problem is that in modern times, many associate Prayer as worship. We do worship God in Prayer. When we ask one another, Mary, our Guardian Angel, the Saints, etc. to Pray for us, we are not worshiping them.
Another problem is that our Protestant brothers & sisters only see in this vs. that terms. They assume (wrongly) that because we Pray to others in Christ Jesus, that we therefore do not Pray to Jesus. Of course we Pray to Jesus, more than anyone else.
That would be like me asking someone if they ate lunch today and they say yes, and them I assume that they did not therefore eat breakfast or that they will not be eating supper.
The Pope should clarify these terms that the Church has used throughout History, but not reject them simply because many Protestants (and some Catholic Christians as yourself) have misunderstood them.
Have some taken their honoring of Mary to an extreme level? Yes. Have others overcompensated by almost demonetizing our Blessed Mother? Yes!
When Jesus said to hate your mother, father, brother, and sister, He did not mean literally (Luke 14:26). He was saying that if you see these as more important than to God, then you cannot be Jesus’ disciple. He was not saying that these are therefore evil. In fact, Jesus tells us in 1 John 4:20-21 that if you hate a brother or sister, then you do not really love God. Don’t hate Mary and don’t love Mary more than God. It’s really not that hard. And if you love Mary, it doesn’t mean that you don’t love Jesus. Protestants need to stop with the nonsense and really the Pope should call them out on their nonsense rather than appeasing them.
Okay, I’ll give you that in some cases it does mean “equal to,” however that is not what we mean by this. So, rather than say that we don’t believe in these terms, which we do, define what we mean by these terms.
If you say that your name is John and “John” sometimes means toilet, it doesn’t mean that you need to change your name. Just correct people on what is meant by your name. You are not a toilet and neither is Mary.
A lot of people get the “Immaculate Conception” mistaken for Jesus being conceived of The Ever Virgin, but we do not change the term, simply because some misunderstand what we mean by it.
