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When the Church speaks of continence, she isn’t saying “never have sex” or “go live in a cage.” She’s saying something far more reasonable:
the marital act has a God‑given structure, and spouses are called to respect that structure rather than dismantle it.

To be chaste in marriage does not mean rejecting union. It means fulfilling it in a way that honors the One who made the spouses “two lesser creators,” capable of cooperating with Him in the gift of life. God created man and woman without lust, without manipulation, and without the impulse to turn the other into an object.
A Christian marriage is meant to reflect that original integrity: a union gladdened by children when God grants them, not distorted by the deliberate refusal of the procreative good.

If, because of illness or serious circumstances, it is permissible to avoid pregnancy, then the moral path is clear: spouses practice continence during fertile periods. That is difficult, yes — but it is morally coherent. It avoids pregnancy without falsifying the act itself.
What it does not do is replace the God‑given structure of the act with a sterile imitation ordered only toward pleasure.

But if no obstacle to procreation exists, why take an act naturally and supernaturally ordered toward life and deform its purpose?
Why turn a good act into an intentionally sterile one?

The mockery (“LOL just stop having sex”) only works if one assumes that pleasure is the primary or sole purpose of the marital act. Catholic teaching rejects that premise.
The Church proposes something more demanding — and more dignifying:
the unitive and procreative meanings belong together, and spouses are called to honor both rather than suppress one for convenience.

You admit pornography is one of Satan’s lies, yet you claim consuming it is “using his weapon against him.” That is a contradiction. A temptation is not defeated by indulging it. If pornography is a tool Satan uses to harm people, then watching it is cooperating with the harm, not resisting it.

Pornography is not education, not healing, and not a path to wisdom. It is a commercial product designed to stimulate arousal, not to teach truth or virtue. Your claims about women being “weaker,” “stupid,” or needing to be “suppressed” have nothing to do with pornography and reveal prejudice, not insight. And your antisemitic conspiracy claims are baseless and morally wrong.

None of this shows that pornography is good or that consuming it harms Satan. It only shows that you are using pornography to justify beliefs you already hold, not to discover truth.

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You are free ofc to live a life without sex. Technically only the man needs to have an orgasm to make the woman pregnant. And media tells us that many woman never experienced one in their live. This saddens me. Did you ever have one? If not then I feel very sorry for you. A female orgasm is supposedly much more intense than a male one. This is because while males are not supposed to be satisfied by an orgasm, so we keep going over andd over to ensure that we really do make you pregnant, females only need one orgasm to ensure that their body has optimal conditions of getting pregnant.

I am pretty sure that orgasms are not the invention of the devil so please, at least try to have one in live. If you don’t know how to get one, you have to stimulate the clitoris. It is very difficult for woman to reach orgasm through normal sex because the clitoris is not primarily stimulated.

The male and female body actually share similarities. We men have nipples for example because in the first few months the embryo has not decided which sex it is going to be so it developes the genitals of both. Then later on what becomes the penis is your clitoris and your uterus and eggs form out of what are our testicles.

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Also sexual satisfaction is important for females too because just like I said they do turn crazy if they are not satisfied.

I remember reading up in a book about pregnancy that many woman are confused about feeling sexual arousal when breastfeeding. This is because their men have not been giving them orgasms and do not massage their breasts enouogh while having sex. This leads to all kinds of psychological problems for both the mother and the child. For example, the mother may not stop breastfeeding and then the child becomes some kind of idiot as an adult because he still has sucked on his mothers breasts as lets say a 12 year old.

Your breasts do feel good when babies or your sex partner stimulates them because this is your body telling you what to do and what feels right. If sex did not feel good then animals would go extinct because they wouldn’t know that they need to have it.

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The main reason why your priests can’t stop touching little boys and girls is literally sexual frustration in most cases. Just masturbate ffs. And for gods sake if your man no matter how old he is comes home and is frustrated and fed up with live, have some mercy and decency, be a good wife and give him a blow or handjob at least. Even if his deluded mind tells you not to. just go forth, he will thank you later and if not then the virgin jew jesus really did screw his mind good.

Go guess what the naked Adam and Eve have been doing all day in paradise.

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You’ve shifted from the original argument into sexual comments, biological misunderstandings, and claims about women that have nothing to do with the topic. None of this answers the central question I asked:

If pornography is a weapon of temptation, how does consuming it harm Satan rather than cooperate with him?

Whether a woman does or does not experience orgasm is irrelevant to the moral question. Your biological claims are a mix of partial truths and inaccuracies, and your statements about women being “weaker,” “stupid,” or having a “support role” are personal prejudices, not scientific facts.

You have explained why you enjoy pornography, but you have not explained how indulging in a temptation defeats the tempter. Until you address that point, your argument does not hold.

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I am telling you facts woman and I answered your question above.

If you do not think that you are weaker than why do female soccer teams lose so hard against weaker younger mal teams and why do woman have their own sports and why would no male ever do boxing or some other martial art with a woman? Because you are inferior physically and you stand no chance!

Look at those athlete woman, their bodies go into war mode and their breasts vanish and their fertility goes down. A healthy woman is a fertile woman.

Like it or not you are weak and frail and emotional and soft. You were unfit to resit the snake and you always will be unfit. Hence why all cultures especially Islam do not let you into positions of power.

The ancient greek faced this problem. Because all the men went to war the woman at home became powerful and took over, not officially but in reality they had more political power. It was literally number 1 reason of their downfall.

I don’t hate you when I say this, I am static facts. Your body exists mainly for 1 purpose only. That is giving birth. Men serve, woman give birth.

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Everything you’ve written about biology, history, women, and culture is either factually wrong or irrelevant to the question I asked. You are not presenting facts; you are presenting misogynistic assertions dressed up as science and history. Differences in average physical strength do not establish inferiority, and fertility is not the measure of a woman’s worth or health. Your claims about women being “weak,” “frail,” or “unfit” are personal prejudices, not scientific truths, and no reputable historian claims that Greek civilization fell because women gained influence.

None of this answers the question I asked:
If pornography is a weapon of temptation, how does consuming it harm Satan rather than cooperate with him?

You have avoided that question repeatedly by shifting into sexual comments, pseudo‑biology, misogyny, and fabricated history. Until you can explain how indulging in a temptation defeats the tempter, your argument remains self‑contradictory.

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Resorting to racist and misogynistic insults is not an argument. It is simply another attempt to avoid the question you still have not answered. Everything you’ve said about biology, history, women, and culture has been factually wrong or irrelevant, and now you’ve added racial slurs because you cannot defend your position.

The question remains the same:
If pornography is a weapon of temptation, how does consuming it harm Satan rather than cooperate with him?

Until you can explain how indulging in a temptation defeats the tempter, your argument is self‑contradictory. Insults, racism, and misogyny do not change that.

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If it wasn’t for porn or MTV rap music you woman wouldn’t even know how to dress sexy which is in other words called beautiful. Because you have no concept of beauty. You will just dress convinient and then look like a failed hippie to the point where men can’t get aroused or an erection no matter how hard they tried.

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You are now making violent threats, sexualized comments, racist insults, and invoking a mass murderer as justification for your behavior. Nothing you’ve said answers the original question (If pornography is a weapon of temptation, how does consuming it harm Satan rather than cooperate with him?), and your escalation into violence and dehumanization only shows you cannot defend your position.

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Unbelievable. Are you german? If you are then I understand that it is futile and you will ofc go to the front while pregnant while your man is probably a closet homosexual pacifist softie sitting at home doing nothing.

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I bet you look like Claudia Roth or Angela Merkel and your husband has secretly been going to the brothel or to the underground sex dungeon and you don’t mind because you are a marxist satanist.

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Since you cannot defend your own position — namely, the claim that indulging in a temptation somehow defeats the tempter — I recommend reevaluating it.

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No wonder Islam forbidds you to speak without permission and gives permission to beat you up and kill you when you are too stupid. Maybe I should listen to the left for once and learn from other cultures.

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I do not indulge in temptation you stupid woman, I indulge in SATISFACTION!

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Your defensiveness reflects your inability to defend your claim that indulging in temptation defeats the tempter. This conversation is over.

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This thread has confirmed my conviction about catholocism. Thank you all.

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Moral intent: that my wife not get pregnant again.

Moral object; that my wife won’t get pregnant again.

Your argument is childish catholic nonsense.

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You’re still collapsing intention and moral object into the same thing.
“Why I act” and “what I choose to do” are not identical.

Your intention was to avoid pregnancy.
But your moral object was not “avoid pregnancy.”

Your moral object was:
“deliberately sterilize the sexual act so that it cannot be procreative.”

That is a different kind of act than:
“abstain during fertile periods” or
“abstain entirely.”

Three different behaviors.
Same intention.
Different moral objects.
Different moral species.

If you want to argue that vasectomy and abstinence are the same act, then make that argument.
But simply repeating your intention does not change the nature of the behavior you chose.

And the reason you keep repeating your intention is because you’re leaving out the actual behavior you chose — sterilizing the act so intercourse could continue without procreation. That is the part that actually matters.

Was saving your wife part of the reason? Yes.
Was it the whole reason? No.
Was it the decisive reason? No — because abstinence would have achieved that.
So what was decisive? The desire to continue sexual intercourse while eliminating its procreative meaning. That is the moral object you keep leaving unnamed.

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My moral intention; that my wife not get pregnant again.

My moral object : vasectomy in order to insure that my wife not get pregnant again because no normal healthy married couple would choose to not have sexual relations anymore.

Apparently you’re not intelligent to understand my situation because you keep repeating the same irrelevant nonsense. And your assertions that I’m not addressing your argument are false. I have addressed your argument logically and rationally. You just refuse to acknowledge the truth and instead continue to repeat the same absurd nonsense. Over 90% of catholic women have practiced ABC at some point in their lives. Your irrelevant argument about “moral object” doesn’t mean anything. We’re talking about actual reality here. Not some laughable catholic “teaching” about birth control.

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