An important decision

You’ve said you’re “incapable of making an argument in response.” That means you haven’t shown how abstaining from the act and surgically sterilizing the act are the same behavior — which is the one claim you would need to defend.

Catholic moral theology explicitly teaches that spouses may avoid pregnancy for serious, even grave, reasons — including danger to the mother’s life. The Church does not require a couple to risk death. This refers to avoiding conception by moral means, not ending the life of a child who already exists. Direct abortion is always intrinsically evil, regardless of intention.

The disagreement is not about whether you could licitly avoid pregnancy.
You absolutely could.

The disagreement is about the means chosen.

And intention and moral object are not “doubletalk.” They are the basic structure of every moral analysis in Catholic philosophy:

  • Intention = why you act

  • Moral object = what you choose to do

Two people can have the same intention — “avoid pregnancy” — while choosing different kinds of acts:

  • NFP: abstaining or engaging in the marital act unaltered

  • Vasectomy: deliberately sterilizing the act so it cannot be procreative

Same intention.
Different moral object.
Different moral species.

This is not “word salad.”
It is the foundation of Catholic moral reasoning from Augustine to Aquinas to John Paul II.

And the Church never requires you to choose between your wife’s life and obedience to God.
If pregnancy would be life‑threatening, the Church permits — even encourages — avoiding pregnancy.

What the Church does not permit is altering the procreative structure of the marital act.

Why?

Because the Church teaches that we may not do moral evil so that good may come of it, even a very great good.

Now to the heart of the matter.

If the sole concern were preventing pregnancy to protect your wife’s life, the one method that is 100% effective, morally licit, and medically risk‑free is complete abstinence.

The fact that you rejected abstinence shows that the issue was not simply “my wife might die,” but also:

you still wanted to engage in sexual intercourse while deliberately excluding the procreative meaning of the act.

That is precisely what the Church calls a misuse of the act.
Not because sex is bad, but because the marital act has an inherent unitive‑and‑procreative structure that we have no moral right to dismantle, even though we have the physical ability to do so.

When grave reasons make pregnancy unsafe, the Church calls spouses to continence, not sterilization.
Continence is difficult, yes — but it is morally coherent.
Sterilization is not.

So the real moral choice was not:

  • “risk my wife’s life” vs “get a vasectomy”

but:

  • continence (a morally good means)

  • sterilization (a morally disordered means)

You chose sterilization because continence was too demanding — not because continence was impossible.

LOL continence! Yeah guys just stop having sex and don’t you dare masturbate. Might as well get a chastity cage while you’re at it.

Guys as a good husband you need to look after the needs of your wife and satisfy her. Otherwise they become frustrated and then they turn crazy. That can ultimately lead to divorcing. So think about the higher good, think about the children and the family.

You can keep being enslaved by your addiction to pornography.

If you look at the studies, couples who practice NFP are less likely to get divorced, because they better understand what it means to sacrifice for your spouse and they are more likely to be in a happy Marriage. Again, this is just based on studies that I have seen.

May I ask if you are Married yourself? If so, how many times have you been Married? Do you have any children?

It sounds like you may suffer from low-impulse-control. Either that, or you suffer from an addiction to poŕnography maybe?

You’re hitting a nerve there pal. No I have no wife and no children. Now you will say that I should blame myself but hey you can guess 3 times who I will blame.

I did go to the brothel over 80 times though so there is that. I don’t have a porn addiction. Nobody has. People use porn because they are either feeling horny or because they need to suppress the anger and sorrow and frustration of this living hell on earth.

Porn is good. You should try it out. No shame in marveling at the beauty of gods creation.

Yeah people are getting old and old people lose their sex drive. I know about it from my grandparents.

Anyway sadly the sperm amount and sperm quality and overall fertility and overall stamina and so forth are all going down specifically with whites. So… yeah soon you will not be able anymore to even get an erection and barely want to have sex so yeah no more babies and no more happy people.

I am not blaming anyone. My point in asking the question is that you were giving Marriage advice, and I had a suspicion that you are not Married. I’m not judging you for not being Married and being childless (unless you are over 40, not Married, and childless, and not a Priest or in a religious Order ; )

Have you ever considered that is one of Satan’s lies?

Yes. And it is true. But in guerrilla warfare you have to use the weapon of your enemy against them. If I had a gf or wife I wouldn’t consume porn.

Sadly all the woman are either already taken or they have high demands that I can’t meet or they are so sick or so ugly that I refuse them. Some are also lesbian.

I had gf in my past, 3 to be precise but because jews make life hell it didn’t work out.

You rightly recognize that the statement, “Porn is good,” is a lie from Satan. Yet you say that, in guerrilla warfare, you must use the enemy’s weapon against him. The problem is that this analogy only works if the weapon is actually being turned against the enemy.

How is watching pornography using Satan’s weapon against Satan when viewing it is exactly what he wants people to do? If pornography is one of his tools for temptation and spiritual harm, then consuming it is not turning the weapon against him—it is allowing the weapon to be used as intended. A captured weapon is only used against an enemy when it frustrates his goals, not when it advances them.

So if pornography is something Satan wants people to engage in, how does participating in it harm him rather than harm the person participating?

So, you are blaming “The Jews” :joy: You do know, as I stated in another thread, that the top two poŕn sites are run by secular Jews? I do not know where you are consuming your content, but chances are you are supporting “The Jews.” And if by consuming such content on these sites benefit these individuals, don’t you think that they would want to keep you single, so that they can continue to make money off of your enslavement?

I use porn to calm myself and educate myself and by not becoming more and more depraved I beat the devil at his own game. Porn is just images of nude woman, nude woman are gods creation and the full beauty of his creation is at full display there, a healthy young developed fertile woman in full display can heal you, even better if you see the sexual act because what is the highest form of love if not joining physically? As a woman you have a support role, that’s why you are the weaker sex. We men go to the front and fight and endure the harsh world when you are at home serving us so we can work and fight for our survival and yes you give birth to our children so we defend and support you even more. Suppressing woman is saving them from the satanic harsh world we live in. And you are so weak and therefore also stupid that you will blame men and want to go to the front when pregnant and let in Muslims and so forth.

Humans are curious by design. Only a man that knows can become smart and only a smart man can beat Satan. Porn educates you. By hiding it you make it more interesting and make it easier for the devil.

As a 12 year old my gf thought she would get pregnant from oral sex. Thanks to watching porn I knew that this was wrong. Porn makes you seek pleasure and that is good. You will find out about anatomy, the nerves, hormones, sperm, health and so forth. Even if you are a pervert your perversion can become a power and you can use that power to educate yourself. If you educate yourself then you will come to the conclusion that the jew is the problem.

Let’s say porn does destroy your life. Finding out then that porn is Satanism and run by jews will open your eyes.

I do not support the jews. I have an ad block and I look at free porn. It is the stupid goyim that pay for porn that are to blame.

By being attracted to porn you will read about the whore of Babylon when devout christians dont like to read that and the weak woman despise that part or are confused and even want it taken out of the Bible.

No joke here in Switzerland my fellow female Christian mates said they want the apocalypse and everything not nice taken out of the Bible. Only the weak and deluded Christian males here who are still going to church stopped them.

I am the only one in this town who resists the rewriting of our Bible due to feminism.

When I say that

You pay in other ways. You are being enslaved. I feel bad for you.

I am more free than you mate.

Is that true? Then stop. See if you can do it. If not, then you may not be as free as you think you are.

Did that test a couple times and its easy.

Only Satan would want you to stop looking at porn. The more you look at it the longer and harder you can fight him. True story. If you are a woman or have a woman be it your wife or 13 year old daughter (age of consent/protection in the Vatican) then send her to me as a substitute.

When the Church speaks of continence, she isn’t saying “never have sex” or “go live in a cage.” She’s saying something far more reasonable:
the marital act has a God‑given structure, and spouses are called to respect that structure rather than dismantle it.

To be chaste in marriage does not mean rejecting union. It means fulfilling it in a way that honors the One who made the spouses “two lesser creators,” capable of cooperating with Him in the gift of life. God created man and woman without lust, without manipulation, and without the impulse to turn the other into an object.
A Christian marriage is meant to reflect that original integrity: a union gladdened by children when God grants them, not distorted by the deliberate refusal of the procreative good.

If, because of illness or serious circumstances, it is permissible to avoid pregnancy, then the moral path is clear: spouses practice continence during fertile periods. That is difficult, yes — but it is morally coherent. It avoids pregnancy without falsifying the act itself.
What it does not do is replace the God‑given structure of the act with a sterile imitation ordered only toward pleasure.

But if no obstacle to procreation exists, why take an act naturally and supernaturally ordered toward life and deform its purpose?
Why turn a good act into an intentionally sterile one?

The mockery (“LOL just stop having sex”) only works if one assumes that pleasure is the primary or sole purpose of the marital act. Catholic teaching rejects that premise.
The Church proposes something more demanding — and more dignifying:
the unitive and procreative meanings belong together, and spouses are called to honor both rather than suppress one for convenience.

You admit pornography is one of Satan’s lies, yet you claim consuming it is “using his weapon against him.” That is a contradiction. A temptation is not defeated by indulging it. If pornography is a tool Satan uses to harm people, then watching it is cooperating with the harm, not resisting it.

Pornography is not education, not healing, and not a path to wisdom. It is a commercial product designed to stimulate arousal, not to teach truth or virtue. Your claims about women being “weaker,” “stupid,” or needing to be “suppressed” have nothing to do with pornography and reveal prejudice, not insight. And your antisemitic conspiracy claims are baseless and morally wrong.

None of this shows that pornography is good or that consuming it harms Satan. It only shows that you are using pornography to justify beliefs you already hold, not to discover truth.

You are free ofc to live a life without sex. Technically only the man needs to have an orgasm to make the woman pregnant. And media tells us that many woman never experienced one in their live. This saddens me. Did you ever have one? If not then I feel very sorry for you. A female orgasm is supposedly much more intense than a male one. This is because while males are not supposed to be satisfied by an orgasm, so we keep going over andd over to ensure that we really do make you pregnant, females only need one orgasm to ensure that their body has optimal conditions of getting pregnant.

I am pretty sure that orgasms are not the invention of the devil so please, at least try to have one in live. If you don’t know how to get one, you have to stimulate the clitoris. It is very difficult for woman to reach orgasm through normal sex because the clitoris is not primarily stimulated.

The male and female body actually share similarities. We men have nipples for example because in the first few months the embryo has not decided which sex it is going to be so it developes the genitals of both. Then later on what becomes the penis is your clitoris and your uterus and eggs form out of what are our testicles.