Although apparently not an official doctrine of the Catholic Church, I think it is generally taught that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. I find it challenging/difficult to understand, since the Messiah said that 3 daytimes and 3 night times would be involved with His time in the “heart of the earth”. However, a 6th day/1st day time frame allows for only 2 night times to take place.
In Matthew 12:40 Jesus indicated he would be in the tomb for “three days and three nights” an expression in our time and culture that implies three 24 hour time periods, or 72 hours. The rest of the biblical record, however, indicates the time was considerably shorter (Friday afternoon to Sunday morning). How do we harmonize this apparent disagreement? An understanding of Hebrew idiom is necessary to resolve the difficulty.
Peace to all,
Three days after Jesus was buried in “the heart of the earth,” truly dead, here He comes again, alive and well and declaring the good news of salvation to the whole world. We can’t ignore the sign of Jonah.
The Tomb is the City of Jerusalem, for three days and three nights He was in Jerusalem, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, left the tomb on Saturday morning early. One Wednesday He rode in on a Donkey, early on Saturday morming, He left the Tomb of Jerusalem left on a Cross.
Peace always,
Stephen
When determining how long someone has been lifeless, you go by their time/day of death, not burial. According to the Evangelists, Jesus died at “the ninth hour” (3 pm) in the late afternoon on “Preparation day, the day before the Sabbath” (Friday) (Matt. 27:46;50, Mk.15:34;37;42, Lk. 23:44;46), and the women disciples started walking to Jesus’s sepulcher to anoint His body on “the first day of the week” (Sunday) when it was “beginning to dawn” and “still dark” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1).
Thirdly, the Evangelists don’t mention the exact time of Jesus’s resurrection, but based on their accounts of the time/day of death (3 pm on Friday) and discovery of the empty tomb on Sunday morning, we know that Jesus wasn’t lifeless for seventy-two hours, and that corresponds with Jesus’s use of the Hebraic idiom “three days and three nights” meaning “approx. three days, and any event touching upon any part of the third day”.
While the exact time of Jesus’s resurrection can’t be determined from what we have of the Evangelist’s accounts, Jesus has made that detail known through His instrument, or “pen”, Maria Valtorta. She took dictation from Him and He said that His body had been lifeless for thirty-eight hours from His time of death of 3 pm on Friday (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 5 ), which places His resurrection around 5 am on Sunday, and this corresponds with the Hebraic idiom “three days and three nights” (approx. three days, and any event touching upon any part of the third day), as well as the women disciples discovering the empty tomb on Sunday morning.
Thursday ends and Friday begins at sunset (Day 1)
Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies
Friday 3 pm to sunset: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Saturday begins at sunset (Day 2)
Saturday: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday begins at sunset (Day 3)
Sunday sunset to 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday 5 am: Jesus resurrects
Soul,
re: “Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies Friday 3 pm to sunset: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless”
That would be daytime 1.
re: “Saturday: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless”
That would be night time 1 and daytime 2.
re: “Sunday sunset to 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless-Sunday 5 am: Jesus resurrects”
That would be night time 2 and maybe daytime 3, depending on if 5am was daytime.
So, only 2 night times would be involved.
But isn’t Catholic teaching that the resurrection occurred on Sunday morning?
Peace to all,
Out of the Tomb of Jerusalem, on Saturday morning early and back in Heaven on Sunday AM.
Resurrection from the spirit through the life in One Family again, is back to Heaven Sunday AM. right.
Peace always,
Stephen
Peace to all,
Out of Jerusalem, The Tomb, Saturday AM.
He Descended from the spirit Saturday morning, resurrected through the life in union with all the elect as one in being becoming One God on Sunday morning, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
Soul,
In your post #83 you wrote:
re: “…the Hebraic idiom ‘three days and three nights’ meaning ‘approx. three days, and any event touching upon any part of the third day’”.
What is your source for saying that it’s a Hebraic idiom where “one day and one night” can mean that at least a portion of one daytime and at least a portion of one night time doesn’t have to be involved?
I actually said that “three days and three nights”, not “one day and one night”, is a Hebraic idiom.
How the idiom works:
- Part of a day is a whole day: According to Jewish tradition, part of a day is counted as a whole day.
- Day begins at sundown: A Jewish day begins at sundown, not midnight.
- Example: A burial on Friday afternoon (day 1) followed by a resurrection on Sunday morning (day 3) fits the idiom, even without a full 72 hours passing.
- Day 1: Friday afternoon and evening
- Day 2: Saturday
- Day 3 : Sunday (resurrection occurs at some point on this day)
Scriptural examples:
- Jonah: The most famous example is Jesus’ reference to Jonah being in the belly of the fish for “three days and three nights”.
- In the Book of Esther, the Jews were asked to fast for “three days, night or day” (Esther 4:16), but Esther went before the king “on the third day” (Esther 5:1), indicating the time period was inclusive of parts of days.
- In 1 Samuel 30:12-13, an Egyptian slave had not eaten or drunk for “three days and three nights”, but David found him and learned he had fallen ill “three days ago,” using the phrases interchangeably.
- “On the third day”: The phrase “three days and three nights” is used in the New Testament (Matthew 12:40) in reference to the same event that is described in many other places as Jesus rising “on the third day” or “after three days”. The chief priests and Pharisees requested a guard for the tomb “until the third day,” which they considered equivalent to “after three days,” further supporting the idiomatic nature of the expression.
- Rabbinic literature: Jewish tradition, including in the Talmud, corroborates the concept that a part of a day can be reckoned as a whole day.
This idiomatic understanding helps to reconcile the various time statements in the Bible regarding Jesus’ death and resurrection, allowing for the traditional Friday crucifixion and Sunday morning resurrection accounts to be consistent within the cultural context.
Peace to all,
Jerusalem is not the New Heaven and Earth, Jerusalem is The Tomb, OMNiLogically.
The Logical “Belly” becomes again for all One Family, becoming from lowest point of transformation throiugh The New Eve, a moment of crisis or a profound ordeal where old identity is shed to allow for rebirth and salvation, glorified and transfigured for Jesus in the New Adam becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again in all Creation for all in One Family One God in being.
Jonah was in the “Belly” of the Whale for three days, Jesus was in the “Belly,” The Tomb of Jerusalem for three days. After this time, the fish vomits him onto dry land, and Jonah commits to his divine mission, and the same for Jesus, OMNiLogically.
The Tomb is the City of Jerusalem.
Jesus was in Jerusalem and the Anointed rode in on a Donkey on Ash Wednesday stayed Holy Thursday and Good Friday and through left Jerusalem on The Cross from death through the flesh left left the Tomb of Jerusalem descended crossing and closing chasms early Saturday morning for resurrection from the spirit through the life for all, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
Peace to all,
Prophet Muhammad tells us one God I believe.
And One God is One Divine Family from three powers and Gods, pre-existing and personal Gods and being Gods equal in the powers of God and separately Gods being personal Gods and together One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Through Mary, God of Transformation becomes for all Baptized through the New Eve from the Annunciation for the immaculate Flesh in Mary through the Virgin Birth for Jesus God of justice becoming the New Adam from Holy Spirit Incorruption becoming through the Christ for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven for all mankind becoming again in One God One Family of God One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Peace always,
prophet Stephen God boy (Is this a good name?)
Only one? I can only choose one? I have a problem with a lot of things in our current Bible, however I’m finding out, through more research that The Bible is supposed to make sense. The current one we have out right now, makes no sense and reads like a fairytale, but The Bible is supposed to make sense. And, of course, there’s a reason as to why it doesn’t make sense, because God forbid we can’t use our own intuition or discernment to figure out what is true. We need Theologians and the Church hierarchy to make sense of any of it, but we can’t try to figure this out for ourselves, cause again we’re just sheep right? We’re so stupid and require a shepherd cause the God-given brain we have isn’t good enough apparently.
But one of the biggest errors I see (because of the amount of retranslating we do to this book) is the discrepancy between the Old Testament God and the New Testament Jesus. One of the things Catholic’s believe is that Jesus is the son of God AND is God, and I fail to see a similarity. The Old Testament God was a God who wasn’t afraid of punishing people. He destroyed entire cities, and kills first born children over a feud that didn’t even involve those children to begin with. The Old Testament God was the stereotypical fire and brimstone kind of God.
And then you have this absolutely beautiful being named Jesus Christ, who came down and showed the world mercy. Jesus really was a gift to mankind, He was the gift that kept on giving. Yes, Jesus would get upset at times, like flipping tables in the temple, but He was also very loving. He taught the world what love looked like. He gave so much to the hueman race, and I’m thankful he incarnated down here. He was a loving being in a world that didn’t know much about love.
Catholics state that Jesus is the son of God, but is also God. And if you compare what happened in the Old Testament to what happened in the New Testament, God and Jesus are night and day. The God of the Old Testament, even though He would warn people of what would happen if they didn’t obey, was very much fire and brimstone. And then you had Jesus, who was kind, merciful, and forgiving. So, you have 2 different entities that are both God, and yet both are complete polar opposites. So for the longest time I always thought “Well maybe Jesus is showing the merciful and forgiving part of God, and God in the Old Testament is showing the just part.” But now that I’ve done research on it, it’s no longer a mystery to me. But that was always odd to me, that Jesus is the son of this fire and brimstone kind of parent.
I mean, that and the evil part. Why a God who is just allows all the evil to go on in the world. But, that’s a big one with most people who aren’t Catholic.
But I’m not worried about it. The Bible was a book written by men. It’s mankind’s book, and so, I refuse to base my life on a book that man wrote. God knows what’s in my heart, not man, and that’s good enough for me.
Soul,
re: "I actually said that ‘three days and three nights’, not ‘one day and one night’ is a Hebraic idiom.”
I don’t see the difference. If 3 daytimes and 3 night times doesn’t have to mean that at least a portion of each one of 3 daytimes and at least a portion of each one of 3 night times are involved, why doesn’t 1 daytime and 1 night time have to mean that at least a portion of the night time and at least a portion of the night time are involved?
Peace to all,
Through all generalizations, The city of Jerusalem is the Tomb.
The three days in the tomb is when Jesus rode into Jerusalem Wednesday on a donkey and left on a cross Friday, Jerusalem is the tomb. He left the Tomb of Jerusalem Saturday morning, early.
Through death, descending emptying the chasm of the bosom of Abraham and with all crossing over, destroying the chasm of death forever resurrecting from the spirit through the life for all in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being
Peace always,
Stephen
In that post you wrote -
“Part of a day is a whole day: According to Jewish tradition, part of a day is counted as a whole day…Rabbinic literature: Jewish tradition, including in the Talmud, corroborates the concept that a part of a day can be reckoned as a whole day.”
So, based on that, if someone back then said that they were going to work Monday, daytime and night time, that it would be understood that at least a portion of the night time didn’t have to be included?
Soul,
That didn’t answer my question.
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Peace to all,
When we use logic, the faith through the Catholic Church becomes clear.
There are two places in Jerusalem that are considered possible locations of the tomb of Jesus. The Holy Sepulchre Church is located inside the walled Old City, while the Garden Tomb is outside the Old City walls.
To me, the tomb is the city of Jerusalem, where he entered on a donkey on Wednesday and left on Friday on a cross.
The tomb is not where he was buried. The tomb is the city of Jerusalem.
Saturday morning he left the tomb the city of Jerusalemand came back from death, Ascension and resurrection Sunday morning.
Out of Jerusalem, The Tomb, Saturday AM.
He Descended from the spirit Saturday morning, resurrected through the life in union with all the elect as one in being becoming One God on Sunday morning, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
Why doesn’t that work the same way if the ancient Jew says that he’ll be working for one day and one night?
If the ancient Jew says that he’ll be working three days and three nights, why would someone think that he didn’t actually mean it, but not think if he said he would be working one day and one night that he didn’t actually mean that?
BTW, Monday evening would have been over some 6 hours by Monday afternoon. And where did I say anything about 72 hours?
Peace to all,
The Tomb is the City of Jerusalem, I believe.
Logically and faithfully, The Tomb is the City of Jerusalem, also, to avoid all of the confusion, the Tomb is the City of Jerusalem and that Jesus did arrive in the Tomb of Jerusalem on Wednesday on a Donkey and left the Tomb of Jerusalem on Friday night on a Cross and early Saturday morning left the Tomb forever.
What does the idiom (a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words) “three days and three nights” mean? Arrived on Wednesday on a Donkey left on Friday on a cross, Wednesday Thursday and Friday 3 days 3 nights left early Saturday morning, left the Tomb of Jerulalem early Saturday AM.
The phrase “three days and three nights” is a Jewish idiom meaning a period of about three days, not necessarily three full 24-hour periods. According to Hebrew reckoning, a day begins at sundown, so being in the ground in Jerusalem in the City of the Tomb of Jerusalem from Donkey powered arrival on Wednesday afternoon Cross Powered Death and Resurrection through Saturday morning can be counted as the “third day”. This idiom is referenced in the Bible, such as in the story of Jonah, and was used to indicate a short period of time that culminates on the third day.
Peace always,
Stephen
Soul,
re: “What does the idiom ‘three days and three nights’ mean?”
To me, it means that at least a portion of each one of three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times would be involved with at event. And I don’t see what you are basing your idea on with regard to it being an idiom.
Now, please answer my questions to you in post #102.