Is the idea of a Friday crucifixion an official position of the Catholic Church?
Iâm not sure what you mean by âa Friday Crucifixionâ?
Is this referring to the day of which our Savior was crucified, the day commemorating Christâs Passion, or is this more like a practice of personal crucifixion that one does every Friday?
If you are asking how we know that Christ was Crucified on Friday and the timeline doesnât quite add up, I will point you to a few posts by Jimmy Akin:
- When Was Jesus Crucified? The Day of the Week and Passover
- âThree Days and Three Nightsâ?
- 7 clues tell us precisely when Jesus died (the year, month, day, and hour revealed)
- The Accurate Date of the Crucifixion (audio)
Hope this helps : )
re: âIâm not sure what you mean by âa Friday Crucifixionâ?
Is this referring to the day of which our Savior was crucifiedâŚâ
Yes.
re: âIf you are asking how we know that Christ was Crucified on FridayâŚâ
Iâm not.
According to tradition, the Catholic Church recognizes that Jesus died at 3 pm on a Friday, and this is confirmed by Jesus Himself in His dictation to Maria Valtorta on February 21st, 1944. Below is an excerpt:
"The fervent prayers of Mary have anticipated My Resurrection by some time.
I had said: âThe Son of man is about to be killed, but on the third day He will rise from the dead.â I died at three oâclock in the afternoon of Friday. Whether you count the days by their names, or you count them by their hours, it was not the dawn on Sunday that was to see Me rise. With regard to the hours, they were only thirty-eight instead of seventy-two, in which My Body had remained lifeless. With regard to the days, it should have been the evening of the third day to say that I had been in the sepulchre three days.
But Mary anticipated the miracle. As when with Her prayers She opened the Heavens a few years in advance of the predetermined time, to give the world its Salvation, so now She obtains some hours in advance to give comfort to Her dying heart.
And I, at the beginning of dawn on the third day, descended like the sun and with My brightness I broke the human seals, so useless before the power of a God, with My power I prized open and overthrew the stone watched over in vain, with My apparition like lightning I knocked down the utterly useless guards placed as guardians of a death that was Life, that no human power could prevent from being such." (âThe Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V)
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Soul,
re: âAccording to tradition, the Catholic Church recognizes that Jesus died at 3 pm on a FridayâŚâ
Is this a dogma, or a doctrine or a discipline of the Church?
BTW, any thoughts on why the Messiah specifically made the point that three nights would be involved with His time in the âheart of the earthâ?
Peace to all,
The Chasm of the Heart of the Earth, for 3 âlongâ nights, is the beneath the Tomb of Jerusalem perhaps a little more towards the center of the earth from where spirit and life becomes again from the Bosom of Abraham. We become again, all mankind and angels, saints, Old Covenant saved, Dismas, Longinus, all One Holy Spirit Fanily One God in being, logically. And The Chapel where today sits the holiest place on earth for Catholics, The Chapel of the Holy Sepulchre sits on the location of His Death and Resurrection becoming again for all, OMNILogically.
The Bosom of Abraham is where Old Covenant Salvation spirits in the souls awaited the becoming again from the Flesh through The Christ for all becoming again One Holy Spoirit Family One God in being.
John 14:18, Jesus says, âIf I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me.â
Jesus through death descends with flesh and crosses over to the Chasm of the Bosom of Abraham and with fleash resurrects all from the spirit through their souls awaiting for the flesh to become again in all from the Bosom of Abraham stealing back His souls and with Jesus all the angels and saints and martyrs and Old Covenant saved cross over again to the Chasm of Hell and bust down the gates and bind the strong man Satan in his own home, like the parable of the thief in the night, and we know in this story Jesus is not the bad guy. And with flesh and all from the Bosom of Abraham with Jesus they tear down the walls of hell and destroy death forever and resurrect all with the Firstborn Christ of all creation from the blood and water birth at the cross for all mankind to the New Heaven and Earth , Heaven for all. The Christ real birth is from the cross for all. Logically, physically and through the Faith of Abraham, All soul creation births and from actual blood and water births becoming again in all, OMNILogically.
Jesusâ death and resurrection is the New Living Sacrifice that transforms and glorifies and transfigures both natures, from the spirit through the souls for the Body in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God and being, logically and in all generalizations.
True the sense of todayâs moral and social context seems to have conflicts. And today making sense is to me not understood from finite disciplines that can never explain the Mind of God until logic is applied for all.
Logically thinking, The common denominator of all faith based systems is the Spirit and in Catholicism is from personal Gods in being preexistion before creation was ever created was even created from three Powers of the Universe, The Father, Creator God and The Mother, Mary, Queen of Heaven and God of Mercy, God of Transformation becoming the New Eve of immortality in all mankind and The Son, Jesus, The New Adam, and each God equal in the Powers of God and together One God in being. And through The Christ, God of Justice and God of Glorification and Transfiguration all mankind becomes again One God in being One Holy Spirit Family, OMNILogically God.
Logically, We know not to preach or proselytize but in all generalization, we become to know the truth without judging anyone, but our own soul.
Faithfully, Jesus came to remove all contention and unite all as one in being from One Father through One Mother for One Son in The Christ for all becoming again through both natures, God and Temple, Spirit and Life, One Holy Spirit Family One God in being rationally and logically for all.
And this applies logically intelligently becoming the world order today on earth is it will becoming again in heaven.
The God of Abraham is The Two Nature God, all souls exodus from the Bosom of Abraham and all mankinds exodus from The New Living Sacrifice resurrected spirit and life becomes again opening the Gates to The New Heaven and Earth, Both natures becomes again, in One Body, Heaven for all.
Heaven is two natures, spirit and life becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being One Body Statically Undefiled unfailing Divine Body through the Incorruptible Power of the Holy Spirit dynamiclly fulfilled eternal love in His Passion, logically.
The Holy Spirit Family One God in being is the two natures of the universe, spirit and life, becoming again united as one in being, OMNILogicalGod.Com.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Deliverer of the OMNILogicalGod, the same God from the Faith of Abraham logically explained for todayâs world.
Itâs a doctrine reaffirmed by Jesus through Maria Valtorta on February 21st, 1944.
On September 2nd, 1945, Jesus showed Maria Valtorta the scene from His life on earth where He spoke about that. You can read what was said in full in chapter 268 of The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II.
I couldnât figure out how to navigate the link. What does it say the Messiahâs reason was for making the point that 3 daytimes and 3 night times would be involved?
Did you see my reply to your question about 3 days and 3 nights? I think it is what you are looking for.
As far as the point of it, Jesus is the temple that would be torn down and raised up in 3 days (John 2:19), but the Jewish leaders did not understand what Jesus meant. They thought He was talking about the literal Jewish temple that had been under construction for forty-six years.
Check out those links I sent you in regards to how the Jewish ear would have interpreted âthree days and three nights,â as they did not mean 24-hour increments as some might interpret it in our current time.
Peace to all,
I think the tomb is the City of Jerusalem, is when Jesus arrives in Jerusalem. Jesus was there Wednesday Thursday and died Friday, 3 days, and gone descended Saturday and resurrected Sunday.
Peace always
Stephen
On November 28th, 1945, Maria Valtorta received a vision of a scene from Jesusâs life, and in it she heard Him say the following:
"Listen. The sign of Jonah that I promised to the wicked, and I promise to you as well, not because you are wicked, on the contrary, that you may reach perfection in believing when you see that it is accomplished, is this.
As Jonah remained in the belly of the sea-monster for three days and then was vomited on the shore to convert and save Nineveh, so it will happen to the Son of man. To calm the billows of a great satanic storm, the mighty ones in Israel will deem it necessary to sacrifice the Innocent. But they will only increase their dangers, because in addition to Satan who will perturb them, they will have God Who will punish them after the crime. They could defeat the storm by believing in Me. But they will not believe, because they see in Me the cause of their perturbation, of their fears, dangers and refutation of their false holiness. But when the hour comes, the insatiable monster, that is, the bowels of the earth, which swallow every man who dies, will open up to give the Light back to the world that denied it.
So as Jonah was a sign of the power and mercy of the Lord for the people of Nineveh, so the Son of man will be the sign for this generation. With the difference that Nineveh was converted whereas Jerusalem will not be converted, because it is full of the wicked generation of which I spoke. So the Queen of the South will rise on Doomsday against the men of this generation and will condemn them. Because she came, in her days, from the end of the world to listen to Solomonâs wisdom, whilst this generation, which has Me with them, will not listen to Me and they persecute and drive Me away as if I were a leper and a sinner, and yet I am much greater than Solomon. Also the people of Nineveh will rise on Doomsday against the wicked generation that will not turn to the Lord its God, because they were converted by the preaching of a man.
And I am greater than any man, be it Jonah or any other Prophet. I will therefore give the sign of Jonah to those who ask for a definitely unequivocal sign. I will give one and one sign to those who arrogantly refuse to bow to the proofs that I have already given them of people rising from death by My command. I will give all signs. The sign of a decomposed body that becomes alive and wholesome, and the sign of a Body that rises by Itself from death because Its Spirit is gifted with almighty power. But they will not be graces. They will not smooth the situation. Neither here, nor in the eternal books. What is written, is written. And proofs will pile up, like stones for a lapidation. They will pile up against Me, to harm Me, but unsuccessfully. And against them to crush them forever by the sentence of God reserved for the wicked incredulous.
That is the sign of Jonah of which I spoke." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. III)
Soul,
But why specifically 3 days and 3 nights?
Firstly, âthreeâ is thematically significant, one of Scriptureâs most important numbers:
The most prominent significance of the number three is its representation of the Trinity, the triune nature of God as Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit.
- Divine Completeness:
The number three is often used to highlight the completeness and perfection of Godâs actions and attributes.
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Examples in the Bible:
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Three Patriarchs: The Old Testament features three main patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
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Jesusâ Ministry: Jesusâ earthly ministry lasted three years.
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Peterâs Denial: Peter denied knowing Jesus three times, but then later confessing his love for Jesus three times
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Jesusâ Resurrection: Jesus was resurrected on the third day.
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Three Wise Men: The three wise men visited Jesus after his birth, and a total of three gifts were offered.
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Three Days and Three Nights: The phrase âthree days and three nightsâ is used in the Bible to signify a period of time that is complete and thorough, as seen in Jonahâs experience in the belly of the great fish and Jesusâ time in the tomb.
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Three Gates: The heavenly Jerusalem is described as having three gates on each of its four sides.
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Threefold Cord: The Bible mentions that a threefold cord is not easily broken, symbolizing the strength of a relationship or commitment.
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Threefold Temptation: Satan tempted Jesus three times in the wilderness.
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Three Archangels: The Bible mentions three archangels by name: Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael.
and so on.
Secondly, below is an excerpt from a dictation by Jesus to Maria Valtorta on the significance of certain numbers, including the number three:
"How many sacred numbers there were in Israel! And each with its symbol, which was later transferred to the new Church. Three. Seven. Twelve. Seventy-two. And, in the future times, there will shine forth the truth about the numbers which are still obscure that are contained in the Apocalypse, numbers which stand for Infinite Perfection and Holiness, and Impiety, which is also without measure.
Jehoshua = Perfection, Holiness, Salvation, a name with eight letters. Satana = Impiety, the enemy of the human race, the perfection of evil, a name with six letters.
And since the former is the name of most perfect Goodness, and the latter, of most perfect Evilâthat is, measurelessâeach of them multiplies by three, the number of perfection, the number of its letters, and the former becomes 888, and the latter, 666." (The Notebooks: 1945-1950)
The Messiah said several times that three days would be involved with His time in the âheart of the earthâ. Iâm just wondering why that wouldnât be sufficient, so that He needed to go ahead and specify a particular number of days as well as a particular number of nights.
Mel Gibson is currently filming the sequel to âThe Passion of The Christâ and it will touch on this duration of Jesusâ Passion. Perhaps it will shed some light on what you are looking for.
Iâm excited to see Mel Gibsonâs movie The Resurrection. Did you know that his Passion movie was based on the private revelations of Catherine Emmerich? She received visions of Jesusâs Passion. Unfotunately, Jesus told Maria Valtorta that while Catherine was another true spokesperson of His, the writings were tampered with, and âvery little is trueâ now. Jesus also gave Maria visions of His Passion and her descriptions are in accordance with the Shroud of Turin which is Jesusâs actual burial cloth. Jesus even dictated to Maria that if the Veil of Mannipello (the veil of Veronica) is superimposed on the Shroud of Turin we would see that they correspond, and He said that decades BEFORE the images were superimposed. And, just like Jesus said, they do corresepond perfectly. You should read the book The Holy Shroud and the Visions of Maria Valtorta.
I hope Mel Gibson makes a movie based on Maria Valtortaâs descriptions of the visions that she received from Jesus. It would be phenomenal!
Jesus was referring to being physically dead three days, which was a fulfilling of the sign of Jonah, and while He was dead He was releasing souls from Limbo so they could finally enter Heaven with Him. This is because after the disobedience of Adam and Eve Heaven was closed to humans. So, from that point up until Jesusâs death, all just souls went to Limbo to await Jesus and entry into Heaven. Now when a person physically dies, if their soul is just, they can go to Heaven without having to wait.
Soul,
re: âJesus was referring to being physically dead for that amount of timeâŚâ
Correct - 3 daytimes and 3 night times. How do you get that with a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection?
On February 21st, 1944, Jesus said the following to Maria Valtorta:
"The fervent prayers of Mary have anticipated My Resurrection by some time.
I had said: âThe Son of man is about to be killed, but on the third day He will rise from the dead.â I died at three oâclock in the afternoon of Friday. Whether you count the days by their names, or you count them by their hours, it was not the dawn on Sunday that was to see Me rise. With regard to the hours, they were only thirty-eight instead of seventy-two, in which My Body had remained lifeless. With regard to the days, it should have been the evening of the third day to say that I had been in the sepulchre three days.
But Mary anticipated the miracle. As when with Her prayers She opened the Heavens a few years in advance of the predetermined time, to give the world its Salvation, so now She obtains some hours in advance to give comfort to Her dying heart.
And I, at the beginning of dawn on the third day, descended like the sun and with My brightness I broke the human seals, so useless before the power of a God, with My power I prized open and overthrew the stone watched over in vain, with My apparition like lightning I knocked down the utterly useless guards placed as guardians of a death that was Life, that no human power could prevent from being such." (â The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V)
Soul,
re: âOn February 21st, 1944, Jesus said the following to Maria Valtorta:âŚâ
Youâve already posted that. And I still donât see how it explains the lack of the third night that the Messiah said would be involved with His time in the âheart of the earthâ.