re: “The idiom ‘three days and three nights’ means a period of approximately three days, not a 72 hour period.”
I’ve said nothing about a 72 hour period.
re: “This Jewish idiom, commonly used in ancient texts, counts any part of a day or night as a whole day or night.”
If an ancient Jew said he would be working one day and one night would anyone think that at least a portion of the daytime or at least a portion of the night time didn’t have to be involved?
re: “This Jewish idiom, commonly used in ancient texts, counts any part of a day or night as a whole day or night. For example, an event that occurs on a Friday afternoon, all of Saturday, and Sunday morning would be described as ‘three days and three nights’.”
You say it was common usage. What examples do you have to be saying that it was common? For example to say that a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a night time could be?
Objections to the view [of the crucifixion] have been based largely on Matthew 12:40 which states that Jesus would be in the grave three days and three nights before rising. Yet it was common practice among the Jews to refer to a fractional part of a day or night as one day and one night.
40 For zjust as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, aso will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
As I asked Soul, if an ancient Jew said he would be working one day and one night would anyone think that at least a portion of the daytime or at least a portion of the night time didn’t have to be involved?
On Friday Jesus leaves the cross, for part of a day and descends to the Chasm of the Bosom of Abraham and through most of the Day Saturday and travel to the other Chasm, and empties all the angels and saint and souls of all from Old Covenent saved and with Him cross over to the Chasm of Death 3:16 A.M. early on Sunday Morning and bust down the Gates of Hell with all binding The Strong Man Satin in His own home, Like the Parable of the thief in the night and in this story Jesus is not the bad guy and early on a Sunday morning and with all tear down the walls of hell with the flesh of all destroying Death forever rising up with all reopening the Gates of Heaven for all on 9:00 A.M. Sunday Morning, I believe.
Transformation is confusing to me in becoming again and also glorification becomes from The Sacraments and transfiguration also is part of Becoming again, I believe.
re: “I didn’t say that you did. I was merely explaining that ‘three days and three nights’ is an idiom, and that it doesn’t mean three days and three nights as in a 72 hour period.”
So, what was your purpose in explaining it since it was never mentioned as an issue?
re: "An ancient Jew saying ‘one day and one night’ isn’t using the idiom ‘three days and three nights’ and the latter is what we’re talking about. So, put forth a hypothetical of an ancient Jew using the idiom “three days and three nights”.
You left off the rest of the issue of common use, “where no part of a third night could have been involved”. And I’m not looking for hypotheticals, but only actual examples.
re: “I’ve already pointed to examples in Scripture where the idiom “three days and three nights” has been used.”
Again, you’re leaving off the rest of the issue, "where at least a portion of each one of three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times is/are not involved.
Rebirth and Salvation is from the Cross, from the blood and water did flow for birth through the First Christ for all Creation reopening the “Womb,” the Gates of the New Heaven and Earth, Heaven for all, I believe.
Soul,
re: “You’re the one who first presented a hypothetical scenario that you believed involved an ancient Jew using the idiom ‘three days and three nights’…”
I didn’t do that. I asked if an ancient Jew said he would be working one day and one night would anyone think that at least a portion of the daytime or at least a portion of the night time didn’t have to be involved? I asked because I don’t see how the logic there is any different if three days and three nights was substituted for one day and one night.
re: “In reply, I told you to put forth a hypothetical of an ancient Jew using the idiom “three days and three nights” correctly.”
Just take my hypothetical of one day and one night and substitute three days and three nights. The question would be the same.
re: “As for me, I’ve already pointed to actual examples in Scripture where the idiom ‘three days and three nights’ was used.”
But, with the possible exception of the Esther account - and that is dependent on if “three days, night or day” is the same thing as “three days and three nights” - your other three offerings do not show where at least a portion of each one of three daytimes or at least a portion of each one of three night times couldn’t be involved.
“Jerusalem above is our mother” is a powerful biblical phrase from Galatians 4:26 (NIV) in the New Testament, symbolizing the heavenly city, the spiritual reality of God’s covenant of grace and freedom, contrasting with the earthly Jerusalem (representing the bondage of the Law), and representing all believers as children of promise, nurtured by the Spirit and the Word. It’s a call to spiritual identity, belonging to God’s free people, rather than a literal city.
Peace to all,
The Heart of the Earth is Jerusalem.
For three days and nights was Jesus in the tomb of Jerusalem, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a Donkey and left on Friday on a Cross.
Soul,
re: “One day and one night is literal and specific; the idiom ‘three days and three nights’ is symbolic, emphasizing the crossing of multiple day/night boundaries, not necessarily 72 literal hours.”
If at least a portion of one daytime and at least a portion of one night time has to be literal, I don’t see why at least a portion of each one of three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times doesn’t have to be literal. You seem to be saying that it was common usage to not be literal.
Oh, and I haven’t said anything about the need for 72 hours.
From three Gods we become through two natures from the One Power through the Holy Spirit for the life in the flesh becoming One Body becoming again in all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically, I believe.
And each God is equal in the Powers of God and separate in the Powers of God and Personal Gods in being even before creation was ever created was even created logically in undefiled intelligence proving The Father, The Son and The Mother Gods from preexistence and always together One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
From all of the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries for the Faith in the Catholic Church, Death becomes again from Baptism Transformed immortality through Sacrifice in Penance becoming from Holy Spirit Incorruption becoming through immortal Bodily glorification from the Power of The Holy Spirit incorruption for transfiguration in all creation becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The living waters transform mortality becoming Sanctified Immortality from the Power of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being through the created souls of all for the created flesh becoming One Body through Mary in the Baptized New Eve becoming for Jesus in the New Adam through The Christ for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven becoming again re-Sanctified immortally glorified and incorruptibly transfigured in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Tomb is the city of Jerusalem, The statement “The Tomb is the city of Jerusalem” isn’t a direct fact but points to significant tombs within or associated with Jerusalem, primarily the Church of the Holy Sepulchre (traditional burial site of Jesus) and the Garden Tomb (another popular site for Jesus’ tomb) in the Old City, plus King David’s Tomb on Mount Zion, all pivotal religious sites with deep historical and spiritual meaning for Christians, Jews, and Muslims, making Jerusalem a city of tombs and memory.
Logically and faithfully, The Tomb is the City of Jerusalem, also, to avoid all of the confusion, the Tomb is the City of Jerusalem and that Jesus did arrive in the Tomb of Jerusalem on Wednesday on a Donkey and left the Tomb of Jerusalem on Friday night on a Cross and early Saturday morning left the Tomb forever.
What does the idiom (a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words) “three days and three nights” mean? Arrived on Wednesday on a Donkey left on Friday on a cross, Wednesday Thursday and Friday 3 days 3 nights left early Saturday morning, left the Tomb of Jerulalem early Saturday AM.
The phrase “three days and three nights” is a Jewish idiom meaning a period of about three days, not necessarily three full 24-hour periods. According to Hebrew reckoning, a day begins at sundown, so being in the ground in Jerusalem in the City of the Tomb of Jerusalem from Donkey powered arrival on Wednesday afternoon Cross Powered Death and Resurrection through Saturday morning can be counted as the “third day”. This idiom is referenced in the Bible, such as in the story of Jonah, and was used to indicate a short period of time that culminates on the third day.
Soul,
re: “I said that the use of the idiom ‘three days and three nights’ was common in ancient Judaism.”
But where was it common to say “three days and three nights” would be involved with an event when at least a portion of each one of three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three nights times couldn’t be involved?
In ancient Judaism, a day began and ended at sundown. Additionally, ancient Judaism primarily used a method called “inclusive reckoning” of time, where any portion of a day was counted as a full day. This made the precise total of 72 hours less significant than the fact that a period spanned three separate calendar days. The Hebrew idiom “three days and three nights”, or “three days”, signifies inclusive reckoning, again, meaning any part of a day or night counts as a full unit, so a period covering parts of three calendar days and nights (like Friday, Saturday, Sunday) fits the description, not necessarily 72 full hours.
This means, for example, that Jesus’s death on Friday at 3 pm (Matt. 27:46;50, Mk.15:34;37;42, Lk. 23:44;46), and His having been lifeless from then until sundown (beginning of Saturday), meant He had only been lifeless on Friday for 3 hours, but still considered lifeless for one day thus far. Furthermore, this also meant that the next sundown (beginning of Sunday) would’ve been the third day. And, it was around twelve hours later on Sunday that, simultaneously, while the women disciples started walking to Jesus’s Sepulcher to anoint His Body when it was “beginning to dawn” and “still dark” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1), His Sepulcher opened (Matt. 28:2), which meant that Jesus had only been lifeless in total for 38 hours not 72 hours, but still considered lifeless for three days.
