Understanding Confession

Hello.

My name is Timothy and I’m new here. Not actually Catholic but am in OCIA to learn more about the faith. I’m trying to get a better understanding about Confession.

The idea of confessing your sins to a priest who then forgives you (I understand it’s not literally the priest, but Christ working through him) ….. when one can just confess their sins straight to God with no middle man …. Just seems kind of odd to me.

God is everywhere. He’s with you all the time. What is the advantage of going to a priest for a confession … he is just one man and there are who knows how many people needing to confess in comparison to the people who are hearing confessions.

Put another way. Let’s think of an absurd example just for the sake of argument. You’re on an uncharted island with one other person. Food is running low, tensions are running high, and out of desperation you kill the other person and take his food out of survival. You just killed someone else. You committed a mortal sin but there is no priest around you for hundreds of miles. Are you unable to confess your sins and have them forgiven?

And if you ARE able to have your sins forgiven, either by God directly, or Christ working through a priest …. Then why would you ever go to the priest (who may be far, sick, or unavailable) when you can simply go to God wherever you are?

PS. I’m not saying this to be insensitive or hyper-critical, but out of one that’s sincerely interested in the faith.

Hi Tim,

It’s me again. So, just as a reminder I am an Ex-Catholic, so when you read my thoughts, just keep in mind that this is coming from someone who was, at one point, Catholic. And again, my goal isn’t to dissuade you from becoming Catholic. I’m just here to bring up a few points you should consider before thinking about whether or not you should join Catholicism.

So, as far as Confession goes, I don’t think I’ve ever had a bad Confessional experience. Most of the time I actually had a pretty good experience. Yes, there were times when I would break down crying, but that was because I cry at the drop of a hat anymore at anything bad that happens. But most of the time, you’d go in, confess, get out and you have a clean spirit for at least another week or 2.

But there is something you should be aware of. One day, when I was on vacation, a relative of mine was talking about how there was a Priest that they went on vacation with and apparently this Priest told my family members certain sins that were confessed to him. Now, if you innerstand how Confession is supposed to work, the Priest is not supposed to talk about any sins that is confessed to him outside of the Confessional. Confession is supposed to be a private thing between you, the Priest, and God. But, believe it or not, it didn’t bother me, and the reason why is because, the Priest would only talk about sins that were confessed to him, but he wouldn’t say who it was that was confessing to him.

Now, this is not a reason I left the Church. Cause, the way I looked at it was “Well, at least he’s not revealing who it was in the Parish that confessed to those sins.” But that doesn’t mean that what that man is doing is a good thing. As a Priest you are not to talk about anyone’s sins outside of the Confessional, and truly, you’re not even supposed to talk about any sin that is confessed to you. Everything that goes on in that Confessional is supposed to stay at that Confessional. And while it was ok with me, because he was just talking about the sin confessed, and not the person who confessed it, while I was able to look passed it, that doesn’t mean what he did was ok. In fact, what if it got around to the people who confessed that sin in the Parish that the Priest was openly talking about sins that were confessed in the Parish? That can really break a person’s trust with the Priest to where they don’t go to him anymore for confession, and it could get so bad that no one goes to that Priest to confess their sins. What it boils down to is, it’s the principle of the matter. If you’re a Priest and you are told not to talk about sins outside of the Confessional, you have a duty to not do that.

But no, that is not a situation in why I left the Church. Situations like the one happening above are VERY rare and seldom happen. Many people who are Catholic think that I left the Church for the silliest of reasons. I’m always told that “Going to Church is a personal thing, so anything that happens that doesn’t really involve you shouldn’t be a reason you don’t go to Church. You go to Church so YOU can form YOUR relationship with YOUR savior, and not worry about anything else.” And, there is a little bit of truth to that. But I cannot, in good faith, be part of a religion where a good chunk of Priests are sexually abusing little boys. I’ll never forget looking at that list of Priests who are Pedophiles. It would be different if it was maybe 1-3 Priests every year who do that kind of thing, but this list was quite big, a little too big for comfort. And this didn’t just happen in my State, this kind of thing was happening all over the U.S., and it made me sick to my stomach. You know what I mean? Cause what if I ever did get married, and have a little boy? And what if I wanted our little boy to go to Church with us? The fact that there’s a pretty big chunk of Priests who do this kind of thing would worry me a little bit. I’d never be a helicopter parent, but in this kind of situation, I wouldn’t feel bad being a helicopter parent, cause that’s my son, and I’ll be d*mned if my son would be a victim of such a thing. I also get flack by the Theological questions where the answer is usually “I don’t know.” I don’t feel like the argument of “Why does evil exist when God is just?” Or “Why do bad things happen to good people?” are poor arguments to not be a part of the faith. I feel like these are fair arguments to have. Again this is my afterlife I have to worry about here, so why do some of these things exist? And I’m never given an answer that seems reasonable. I am a reasonable person, and I am willing to look past certain things, but some of these questions need better answers than just “I don’t know.” Because a lot of these questions I had, I actually found the answer to, and I didn’t need a Theology degree to get to the answer. And that’s because, the answers are inside of you. You can find the answers to your questions by observing your external and figuring it out from there, but don’t ask anyone a question, because their answer may not be the real answer. Yes, for some people, the answer they gave makes sense to them and to others, but that doesn’t always mean their answer is your answer too. Look within….observe your external…cause remember, the answer to your questions are found from within. And because your external is a reflection of what is going on in your internal, sit back and observe what is going on here. Why does evil exist when God is supposed to be just? Well…look around and observe what’s going on. Every single day, something unjust is happening to somebody, and it’s not just one age group, it’s all age groups. Everyday something bad is happening, and sometimes to really good people too. Now, after observing this for a while and asking a lot of questions, I found my answer. That doesn’t mean you’ll get the same answer I got, maybe yours is different. But, all it takes is for you to question something till you finally get a straight answer, and in time you will. And if you don’t, it’s not because there’s not an answer to your question, you just may not be ready for the answer, but there is an answer for you.

But anyways, that’s my experience with Confession. As far as the answer to your question goes, I personally think that if you confess to God your sins, I feel like that’s valid. But, I’m not sure if Catholicism finds that valid, so that’s something someone else can answer for you. All I’m saying is, you can figure all of these answers out for yourself, you don’t need someone else to give you the answers you seek. But, it’s ultimately up to you and what it is you want to believe.

Namaste :folded_hands: ,
Jacob (or Jake)

Peace to all.

Two sacraments from death through life are Baptism from the living Waters and from Penance through the living sacrifice in the Sacrament of Confession becoming forgiven.

We become from death through life from two gods through the new eve for the new Adam becoming the Christ for all mankind.

Baptism transforms immortality through the New Eve and From Sacrifice in the new Adam through the Christ in Penance from Confession in hearing the words of absolution forgiven we become again glorified and incorruptibly transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

Usually I confess whatever is on my conscience. One problem I have is that if I’m aware of doing something wrong or failing to do something right, I try to rectify it and apologize if need be (and here’s the problem: I tend to forget about it entirely). An example I mentioned in another thread is that years ago I realized that I was doing basically no Friday penance. I intended to mention this the next time I went to confession. At the same time, the pope wrote the luminous mysteries of the rosary. I was already praying the other 15 mysteries daily, so I started praying the extra 5 on Fridays. Problem solved—and forgotten the next time I went to confession.

I had only one bad confessional experience that I remember. At one parish, the pastor was cranky and critical. When I went to confession, there were lines for the other priests but a short line for him. “He doesn’t bother me,” I thought, but after I told him everything I remembered and had tried to make a good confession, he kept saying, “And? … And? …” And he said that according to the Bible, the just man sins seven times a day. I never went to confession with him again, and I looked up what the Bible said, and it was “Though the just man sin seven times a day …” That means, “even if the just man should sin seven times a day.”

One time, maybe a year ago, when I went to confession (different church, good pastor), I said that I forget things. He was even older than I am, and he said it’s OK, he forgets things too. If I committed a serious sin I would remember it.

Correct, the Priest is acting in Persona Christi. When we confess our sins in Confession, it is Christ who forgives our sins.

We can and do prayerfully confess our sins straight to God. One could easily also ask, why do we call anything a sin at all? Why not just say that there is no such thing a sin? That would be easier than admitting our faults at all. And sadly, many in this world do just this.

I don’t know if you have watched any of “The Chosen,” but there is a beautiful scene at the end of Episode 6 of Season 2, where Mary Magdalen has fallen back into sin and the Apostles go out a bring her back into the fold. Mary, our Blessed Mother, then takes Mary into the Tent where Jesus was. Magdalen did not want to bother Him (whether it was out of shame & embarrassment or that she genuinely didn’t want to bother Him, is not clear, I can only speculate that it was because of the former). As Mary Magdalen enters the tent and begins apologizing to Jesus (though I don’t recall if we actually hear what she is saying, but I do recall that she was experiencing God mercy, through Jesus in this humbling act).

My point is, Our Blessed Mother could have just told Mary Magdalen, “Take out the middle-man and jut go to The Father yourself in Prayer. You’re right, you don’t need to bother Jesus.”

Jesus wants us to bother Him. He died so that we can be forgiven! And He desires to free us from the bondąge of sin.

Jesus breathed on the Apostles (and their successors) the authority to loosen and to bind and the command to forgive sins.

Another benefit to calling out your sins by name (out loud) is that it hits harder than vaguely Praying, “Forgive me Heavenly Father, for I am a sinner.” Yes, this is a good Prayer, but calling out our sins by name is much more difficult. Why? Because it is taking accountability and not blaming our fallen human nature. We are saying, “Here are the times, Lord, I admit, that I chose my selfish will over Your will.”

I will be honest. Confession sucks! And it sucks, because it sucks to admit our faults. Children know this more than anyone. Adam & Eve played a game of hide & seek with God after The Fall (as if God could not see them : )

Jesus, the New Adam, did not come to condemn, but to reconcile us and give us life.

Thank you for recognizing that this is sinful. There are Jesuits who try to play silly games (called situational ethics) where they try to say that in some cases it is not a sin (which I whole-heartedly disagree). I would say that in some situations, sin seems necessary, but the action is still sinful. Now whether or not God will hold us culpable is another conversations that we can have, but it would be only be speculation on both our parts.

There are norms that God has established. And God can work outside of these norms. For example, the Thief on the cross was saved, even though (we presume) that he was not Baptized. This is an exception to the norm. Some Christians will look at the exception and try to make it the norm.

Another example, when Cornelius and his friends received the Holy Spirit prior to being Baptized, this was an exception so that the Apostles, who were debating if these individuals should be Baptized. God sometimes works outside of the norms. In this case, God bestowed the grace before the act of humility.

Likewise, if someone is unable to humble themselves in the act of Reconciliation, God may bestow the grace upon the contrite and when this individual gets off the island and can formally confess these sins, it can be done. And if, by a tragic chance, you are not rescued from the island and die, like the thief’s Baptism by desire, one can hope that they will be saved.

No, I love it! I’m all about hypotheticals. My simple answer is, let’s not make the exception[s] the norm[s].

God could have healed the blind man without mud, but He didn’t. God could have spawned Jesus to Earth, as an adult, without Mary, but He didn’t. There are reasons why God does what He does. Sometimes these reasons are difficult to understand.

I hope this helps : )

Hi @Mazrocon! These are good questions.

As @Cade_One has expressed, for those who cannot receive sacraments, one’s desire can serve as a channel of grace. If someone makes a perfect (i.e. complete) act of contrition, he is restored to grace. A perfect act of contrition is when one makes an act of sorrow for sin on account of having offended our good and loving God (as opposed to being afraid of punishment, etc.). Built-in to this perfect act of contrition would be the intention to approach a priest for Confession if and when one is able to do so.

@Cade_One has also correctly identified the fact that sacramental Confession was instituted by Christ.

If we theologize about what his reasons might be, different reasons may occur to us.

One reason that we have to encounter a man we can see (depending on the quality of the confessional grille) and hear and who physically hears us is that we are bodily creatures. Christ wants to save the whole of us (soul and body) and so his grace comes to us in ways that are sensible.

Another reason that occurs to me is a social reason. We are social animals, as Aristotle said. And our salvation is also communal (i.e. we are not saved apart from the Church). So confessing our sins, doing penance, and being reconciled appropriately takes on a social dimension in this sacrament.

May God bless you on your journey!

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StephenAndrew offers a highly theological, almost mystical view, tying confession to Baptism and Penance as sacraments that transform us from death to life through Christ, Mary (as New Eve), and the Holy Spirit as One Family of God. They critique classical theology (Aristotle, Aquinas, early Church Fathers) for misinterpreting the Trinity, proposing instead an “OMNiLogical” framework where salvation is communal, bodily, and familial.

Overall, the thread explores confession as both a personal and communal act, grounded in Scripture and tradition, yet open to theological reinterpretation — balancing practical concerns, emotional experiences, and deep doctrinal reflection.

Peace to all,

Aristotle and Saint Thomas Aquinas faithfully understand salvation but not logically, I believe. And they just like all from Catholicism today received Trinity Logic incorrectly from 1st and 3rd Century Forefathers Praxaes and Tertullian who interpreted their information from the Didache deriving incorrectly in The Trinity foundations for the Catholic Church. They are unable to see The Holy Spirit as The Family of God becoming again in all and they are not logically able to see Mary as God always together with the Father and the Son in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Family proving All in the Holy Spirit Family Gods from preexistence, OMNiLogically, I believe.

Infinite disciplines can only logically be explained and this is why Einstein couldn’t prove static creation because not understanding both natures becoming again statically undefiled and unfailing yet dynamically pulsing through His Passion becoming again in all Creation One Two Nature Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

But, some say, who needs proof?

We become from death through life in two sacraments logically for all becoming One Body through two Gods, From Mary through Jesus becoming the Christ in all mankind from Baptism transformed becoming through Sacrifice for Penance in hearing the Words of Absolution in Confession, forgiven in Penance and Confirmed and re-Sanctified in Communion with The Holy Family One God in being becoming again in all glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

"Leo praised the reforms of the annulment process Francis had enacted. But he also warned that “human judgment on the nullity of marriage cannot however be manipulated by false mercy.” I am not sure Francis ever warned about “false mercy.” Pope Leo

In all generalizations, i believe, Co-Redemption is through Mary, “God of Mercy,” becoming into the Catholic Church from The New Eve. Baptism is one of the two Sacraments from death through life and Baptism is rebirth becoming immortality through the living waters for the created soul in the created flesh to be able to become from death through resurrection glorified and transfigured becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Communal Salvation in a Broader Sense
The concept that “our salvation is also communal” resonates with philosophical and theological discussions that build upon Aristotle’s foundation. While Aristotle’s original focus was on the political community in this life, later Christian thinkers, such as Thomas Aquinas, incorporated his ideas into a framework of spiritual salvation.

  • Body of Christ: The idea that believers form the “body of Christ” suggests a deep ontological (relating to being) union with one another through their shared faith and action.

Saint Paul reminds us The Logical Soul is Created From The Father from the God From the Faith of Abraham and is The Created Soul blood and water birthed from the Power of the spirit manifesting for all through the flesh becoming again the image of the Spirit Father.

“Nicaea affirms the divinity of Jesus and his equality with the Father. In Jesus, we find the true face of God and his definitive word about humanity and history. … But there is also another challenge, which we might call a “new Arianism,” present in today’s culture and sometimes even among believers. This occurs when Jesus is admired on a merely human level, perhaps even with religious respect, yet not truly regarded as the living and true God among us. His divinity, his lordship over history, is overshadowed, and he is reduced to a great historical figure, a wise teacher, or a prophet who fought for justice — but nothing more. Nicaea reminds us that Jesus Christ is not a figure of the past; he is the Son of God present among us, guiding history toward the future promised by God.” Pope Leo

Logicaily, faithfully, to me, Rebirth and Salvation is through Co-Redemption from Two Gods, Mary, God of Mercy and Jesus, God of Justice becoming the Christ for all mankind following the logical undefiled unfailing intelligence from the Holy Family One God in being conceived for Jesus from Mary becoming The Christ in all mankind following the pattern," What would Jesus and The Holy Family do in all cases through the fulfilled faith and morality becoming through The Christ for all mankind becoming again in all Creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being."

“Nicaea reminds us that Jesus Christ is not a figure of the past; he is the Son of God present among us, guiding history toward the future promised by God.” Pope Leo

To me, rationally, literally and faithfully, The Christ is more than just Jesus becoming from the New Adam through Holy Spirit family Incorruption Virgin Born for Jesus through the Baptized New Eve “Reborn” in Immaculately Immortal Flesh becoming The Christ for all mankind for both natures, spirit and life becoming One Body through the Christ from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind “Saved” reimaged becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
mystic Stephen Andrew

Hello Stephen.

If you don’t mind me saying so, this sounds like a bold claim to make. The doctrine of the Trinity is a very foundational belief in Christianity and to say that it is incorrect is say that the Christian world at large is in grave error (2,000 some years of false teaching).

Jesus says in Matthew to proclaim the Gospel baptizing those “In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” He doesn’t say baptize them “In the name of the Father, and the Mother, and the Son.”

Mary - while important and certainly very special - is not God nor apart of the Godhead.

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You’re pointing out a common observation: Jesus’ command in Matthew 28:19 mentions “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,” but early church examples in the Book of Acts often show baptism “in the name of Jesus Christ” or just “in the name of Jesus,” leading to debates about the proper formula, with some theologians seeing the Trinity as one name, while others, like Oneness Pentecostals, prefer Jesus’ name only, believing it encompasses the Godhead’s authority.

Key Points of the Debate

  • Matthew 28:19: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (ESV).
  • Book of Acts Examples: Peter’s sermon (Acts 2:38) and other instances mention baptism “in the name of Jesus Christ” or “in the name of the Lord Jesus”.

Different Interpretations

  • Trinitarian View: Believes Jesus’ command is primary, establishing the full Godhead, and that baptizing in Jesus’ name is acceptable because He represents the Father and Spirit (the “one name”).
  • Jesus’ Name Only (Modalism/Oneness): Argues that “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” are titles for one person (Jesus) and that baptism must be exclusively in the name of Jesus, the manifestation of God.
  • Authority vs. Formula: Some suggest Jesus wasn’t giving a rigid liturgical formula but commissioning baptism by the authority of the entire Godhead, which the apostles understood.

Peace to all,

From the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries of the Faith for The Catholic Church from the Faith of Abraham all become again in One Family, I believe.

The Logical Formula of Baptism transforms the created soul from the spirit in living waters through the flesh to be able to become from death through resurrection life becoming One Body through the New Eve through two natures from the spirit through the created souls for One Body for Jesus from Mary becoming in the New Adam for the Christ from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven for all becoming again in One Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.

Logically Baptism transforms all becoming into The New Eve through The Catholic Church.
Logically for Jesus becoming in the New Adam from Sacrifice through the Christ in Penance all become forgiven for glorification and transfiguration for all becoming again In all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

The Persons of the Trinity were not derived from The Gospel of Matthew alone or Acts alone. Both mention the Christ and the Christ is more than Just Jesus, I believe. The Christ is from Two Bodies becoming One Christ in all mankind in One Body from spirit incorruption through immaculate flesh immortality becoming One Christ for all mankind becoming again in all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Logically what is the gender of The Holy Spirit? Some say man? woman? Person? I say OMNiLogically The Holy Spirit is non-gender, best said, all gender, all angels and all saints, all martyrs and Old Covenent saved and all mankind and for all creation becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Even the Earth was underwater for One Time at least 40 feet and will never be again as promised under the Rainbow.

Prophesying is Being able to see God OMNiLogically and becomes from rebirth through salvation as Catholic for the Christ becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, so even a child can undersand “The Mind of God,” I believe.

Peace always,
mystic Stephen Andrew

But, there isn’t just one priest, rather there are numerous priests. Jesus gave His first and future priests, who were the apostles and their successors, authority to forgive and retain sins when He said, "Peace be to you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. When He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit! If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.” (Jn. 20:21-23)

Jesus gave the apostles the power to forgive sins as part of commissioning them to continue His mission, empowering them to declare God’s forgiveness through the Gospel message, recognize spiritual states, and act as His earthly agents, reflecting God’s mercy and establishing the Church’s authority in administering His grace, particularly through the Holy Spirit’s guidance. This authority, often linked to “binding and loosing,” allows them to proclaim who is forgiven through faith and who isn’t, validating God’s work in people’s lives. And, on April 27th, 1947, Jesus showed Maria Valtorta a vision of a scene from His earthly life where she saw and heard Him say to the apostles the following:

Remember that in an organism a hierarchy is required, so that it may be really active and wholesome, that is, someone who commands, someone who transmits orders, and those who obey. That is what happens in the courts of kings, as well as in religions. From our Hebrew religion to the others, even if they are so impure, there is always a chief, his ministers, the servants of the ministers, and lastly the believers. A pontiff cannot act by himself. A king cannot act by himself. And their dispositions concern only human contingencies, or the formalism of rites. . . Yes. Unfortunately, now, also in the Mosaic religion, there is nothing left but the formalism of rites, the continuation of the movements of a device that goes on making the same gestures, even now that the spirit of the gestures is dead. Dead forever. Their Divine Enlivener, He Who gave import to the rites, has withdrawn from them. And the rites are gestures, nothing else. Gestures that any histrion could mime on the stage of an amphitheatre.

Woe, when a religion dies, and from a real living power becomes a clamorous exterior pantomime, an empty thing behind a painted scenery, behind pompous garments, the movements of devices performing certain actions, just as a key activates a spring, but neither key nor spring is conscious of what they do. Woe! Ponder! Remember this truth and tell your successors about it, so that it may be known throughout ages. The fall of a planet is less frightening than the fall of religion. If the sky should be depopulated of its stars and planets, it would not be for peoples as bad a misfortune as if they remained without religion. God would provide with provident power for the needs of men, because God can do everything for those who, in a wise way, or in the way that their ignorance knows, seek and love the Divinity in a right spirit. But if the day should come when men no longer loved God, because the priests of every religion had made only an empty pantomime of it, as they were the first not to believe in their religion, woe betide the Earth!

Now, if I say so for those religions that are impure, as some have come through partial revelation to a wise person, some derive from the instinctive need of man to create a faith for himself to nourish his soul to love a god—as this need is the strongest incentive of man, the permanent state of research for Him Who is, and Who is wanted by the spirit even if the proud intellect refuses to pay homage to any god, even if man, unaware of the soul, is unable to give a name to such need that stirs within him—what shall I say for this religion that I have given you, for this one that bears My Name, for this one of which I have created you pontiffs and priests, for this one that I order you to propagate all over the world? For this religion Unique, True, Perfect, Immutable in the Doctrine taught by Me, the Master, completed by the continuous teaching of Him Who will come, the Holy Spirit, the Most Holy Guide for My Pontiffs and for those who will help them, second chiefs in the various Churches created in the various regions where My Word will be asserted. These Churches, although various in number, will not be different in thought, but will be one thing only with the Church, as with their individual parts they will form the great building, greater and greater, the great new Temple, that with its pavilions will reach all the corners of the earth. Not different in thought, nor contrasting with one another, but united, brotherly to one another, all subjected to the Head of the Church, to Peter, and to his successors until the end of time.

And those that for any reason should separate from the Mother Church, would be members cut off, no longer nourished with the mystic blood that is Grace coming from Me, the divine Head of the Church. Like prodigal sons, separated through their own will from the paternal house, in their short-lived wealth and constant and graver and graver misery, they would be blunting their spiritual intellects by means of too heavy foods and wines, and then they would languish eating the bitter acorns of unclean animals until they returned to the paternal house, saying with contrite hearts: “We have sinned. Father, forgive us and open the doors of your abode to us.” Then, whether it is a member of a separated Church, or an entire Church— oh! if it were so, but where, when will so many imitators of Me arise, capable of redeeming these entire separated Churches, at the cost of their lives, to make, to remake only one Fold under only one shepherd, as I ardently wish?—then whether it is only one person or an assembly that comes back, open the doors to them.

And those that for any reason should separate from the Mother Church, would be members cut off, no longer nourished with the mystic blood that is Grace coming from Me, the divine Head of the Church. Like prodigal sons, separated through their own will from the paternal house, in their short-lived wealth and constant and graver and graver misery, they would be blunting their spiritual intellects by means of too heavy foods and wines, and then they would languish eating the bitter acorns of unclean animals until they returned to the paternal house, saying with contrite hearts: “We have sinned. Father, forgive us and open the doors of your abode to us.” Then, whether it is a member of a separated Church, or an entire Church - oh! if it were so, but where, when will so many imitators of Me arise, capable of redeeming these entire separated Churches, at the cost of their lives, to make, to remake only one Fold under only one shepherd, as I ardently wish? - then whether it is only one person or an assembly that comes back, open the doors to them.

Be fatherly. Consider that all of you, for one hour or for many, perhaps for years, were, individually, prodigal sons enveloped in concupiscence. Do not be hard on those who repent. Remember! Remember! Many of you ran away twenty two days ago. And was your running away perhaps not an abjuration of your love for Me? Therefore, as I received you as soon as you, repentant, came to Me, do the same yourselves. Do everything I did. That is My command. You lived with Me for three years. You know My deeds and My thoughts. When, in future, you will find yourselves in front of a case to be decided, look back to the time when you were with Me and behave as I behaved. You will never go wrong. I am the living perfect example of what you have to do.

And remember also that I did not refuse Myself even to Judas of Kerioth. . . A priest must try to save, by all possible means. And let love always prevail, among the means used to save. Consider that I was not unaware of Judas’ horror. . . But, overcoming all disgust, I treated the wretch as I treated John. You. . . you will often be spared the bitterness of knowing that nothing is of any use to save a beloved disciple… And you will therefore be able to work without the tiredness that affects one, when one knows that everything is useless. . . One must work even then. . . always. . . until everything is accomplished… (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 5)

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.

CanadianPriest adds that while perfect contrition (sorrow for offending God, not fear of punishment) can restore grace without sacramental confession, the sacrament remains Christ’s instituted means of reconciliation. They highlight the social dimension of salvation — we are saved within the Church community, not in isolation.

StephenAndrew offers a highly theological, almost mystical view, tying rebirth ans salvation from Baptism through Sacrifice for Penance in forgivness, reborn and saved through both natures from teh spirit throuyth teh live becoming in Oen Christ Body in all from Baptism through Penance as sacraments that transform and glorify and transfigure us from death to life through Christ, from Mary (as New Eve) through Baptism immortalized into the Catholic Church, for Jesus in the New Adam in One Christ Body from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven becoming again in all creation glorified and transfigured in the Holy Spirit as One Family of God. OMNiLogic critiques classical theology (Aristotle, Aquinas, early Church Fathers) for misinterpreting the Trinity, proposing instead an “OMNiLogical” framework where salvation is communal, bodily, and familial.

“Here you are rational animals because of the spirit you possess, which obtains life for the flesh it overcomes as well. In the other life you will be spirits vivifying the flesh which has obtained victory by remaining subject to the spirit. The animal nature always comes first. This is the true evolution. But it is single. Then, fr"The body, like a seed, falls, when its cycle is over, into the corruption of the tomb. The spirit returns to its Source to be judged as to whether it is alive or as putrid as the flesh, and, in accordance with its state of being, it goes to its destiny. Nor does it emerge from that destiny any more except to call what was its own to a single resurrection, in which those who were putrid in life become perfectly putrid forever, with that corrupt spirit and that corrupt flesh which they had in their one, unrepeatable life; and those who were ‘just’ in life rise again, glorious and incorruptible, elevating their flesh to the glory of their glorious spirits, spiritualizing it, divinizing it, for through it and with it they have overcome, and it is right that they should triumph with it.om animal nature, which has been able to lighten itself through threefold virtue, there comes spiritual nature.” Saint Paul

“The body, like a seed, falls, when its cycle is over, into the corruption of the tomb. The spirit returns to its Source to be judged and, in accordance with its state of being, it goes to a single resurrection, in which all who were ‘just’ in life rise again, glorious and incorruptible, elevating their flesh to the glory of their glorious spirits, spiritualizing it, divinizing it, for through it and with it they have overcome, and it is right that they should triumph with it.” Saint Paul

The Logical Three Fold Natures are Virtues allowing from rebirth through salvation and is from Three Gods through two Natures becoming One Body through the Christ becoming again in all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

The Logical Mind of God becomes again unfailing and undeflied in all cases through the fulfilled faith and morality becoming the Christ through Two Natures, Spirit and Life for all mankind becoming again in all Creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen