Thanks for your explanations, Pdanoe. So was the Nicene Creed written in Greek? And if you’ll not mind one more question about it, would “one in nature with” or “of the same nature as” be accurate? I’ve heard “divine nature” and “human nature” since I was small, and I think I understand what they mean.
Interesting question actually. According to the link I found, latin was the language of the government, while greek was the common language. It is believed that the creed would certainly have been drafted in greek, but it is speculated that some parts were later added, which were latin in origin.
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/65754/what-were-the-original-languages-of-the-nicene-creed
Thanks for the answer. Reminds me a little of the Philippines (my wife’s home country). There are a lot of local languages, and English is the official language of government. It’s taught in school, and almost everybody speaks it to some degree, but my wife’s family speaks Visayan at home.
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You might have this option. Simply highlight the portion of the text that you would like to quote and then hit “Reply” and the quoted portion should show up with the proper quote-brackets.
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Don’t care about what your cult-memes have to say. Care about you and getting to know you. Care about where you have deconstructed to. Care about having a conversation about your journey and why you believe what you believe. Memes never change minds; they are meant to ridicule and mock.
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No- in this case it is to remember what Christ said.
Look up where Jesus says, “Amen, Amen” or “Truly, Truly” (depending on your translation) and tell me if you believe what He says after each time He says it. I’m just curious.
Are you loony?
You’re basing your 3 Gods on THAT???
Nope.
Nope. I am commenting on how you don’t remember what Christ said (in addition to your deconstructionist view of what Christ said in regards to the Holy Trinity. Again, you will not answer my questions (and I have answered nearly all of yours). Why can’t you (in your own words) answer questions? Are you in a cult or something?
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One of the older guys in my church jokingly said that there are catholics who believe that Mary is the 4th person in the Trinity. You are apparently one of those.
Mary was taken up to heaven, and crowned in heaven. So we read in Revelation 12. But she did not become God. She has a special position with respect to the Church, being patron saint of many different affairs.
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Hello Andrew, I will take 3 quotes from your post. I have studied on the Trinity, so maybe and hopefully I can provide you with some reference points.
I think this is also the sticky point of the thread starter. However, it is in the revelation given to the patriarcs.
First Abraham : genesis 19:24 “And Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven”. There is one Yahweh on earth and there is one in heaven. So apparently there are two powers named Yahweh.
Then Jacob. Genesis 32:28 “Then He said, “Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.””
Jacob did not see God the father, he saw God the son.
In the Shema, we however learn that
Deuteronomy 6:4 ““Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!”
How logically this can work out, is only because this word is the same word used in “the two shall become one flesh” as in marriage. To say it plainly, God is one family, one fellowship.
This is btw why marriage is so holy in the christian faith.
Well, the Holy Spirit IS a person. A very clear verse is Acts 13:2 “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'” We see that the Holy Spirit considers himself to be a person. Many other verses like this.
Well, in some sense the whole of the Family of God has the qualities of both genders. We see example Jesus when he went up to Jerusalem saying Matthew 23:37 “ How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you did not want it." I think that is a femine quality of God demonstrated right there.
(all scripture quotations, from Legacy Standard Bible / biblehub)
Man, I put 20 minutes into that post, and you just dismiss it ? phew …
Thanks for taking the time to read.
Well, I cannot describe the gender of Holy Spirit for sure. I say “He”, but that does not exclude that He has feminine qualities.
I have emphasized how Holy Spirit is a person. However, it is also true, as our nicene confession states, that He emanates from the Father and the Son. How exactly the relations are within the Godhead, we may not grasp on side of eternity.
I do feel that woman is created in the image of the Holy Spirit, but that is my personal pet theory.
To begin with the Trinity and all it’s connected terms is NOT in the Bible.
Jesus TOLD us who the True God IS (John 17:3)- but everyone IGNORES him!
Jehovah (alto the Name’s been removed 7,000 times in most Bibles) said that would remain His
name FOREVER (Ex 3).
The holy breath (spirit) of God is His POWER, not a Nameless Ghost.
The 3 Gods (it IS) are NEVER seen in the many visions.
So, there- you have the FACTS!
Another JW idea there.
We just discussed Acts 13:2. So, how does “your” (probably JW) idea of an unpersonal force align with this biblical statement?
Acts 13:2 modern literal version: “Now while ministering* to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, Separate Barnabas and Saul for me, for the work to which I have called them.”
So how does the theory of an unpersonal force work here? Can an unpersonal force ask people to be separated to “itself”? If it is unpersonal, it does not even have a self, so the sentence would not make sense. Can an unpersonal force by itself call people to a work? How would that work?
You need a good cleaning up of your JW theology.
Heh!
It is God SPEAKING and FEELING thru His spirit!
WHY do you think it’s called GOD’s spirit?
Why do you think it fills people, is in Job’s nose, portions are taken of it- and it is NEVER seen in the visions of God and Christ?
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OK, I get the impression that you are only here to ventilate your doctrine. If you were willing, we could take a walk through the biblical data, but I do not get the impression you are willing.
Most likely you are a member of a specific faith group. You will keep referring to that faith group, and so will never change your view. I have had long conversations with 2 JW’s on the Trinity, and I have had other bible talks with a friend who is adventist. In both cases they were not willing to confront the biblical data, but stuck to their doctrine. Same with you, so most likely you are not willing to change your doctrine.
And when people refer to Holy Spirit as “it”, I cannot follow there. So many places in scripture, He is shown to have individual personal qualities, like feelings, a will, a self.
You are being intellectually dishonest when coming on this forum. You want us to change our doctrine, but you yourself are not willing to consider your own doctrine. That is a show of intellectual dishonesty.
That is the main question. In all essence, we must be in good communication with God and with His Church. In the gospel of John, Jesus laid down one requirement worthy of mention for the context of this thread
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.
Here, it is believed by the Church, Jesus lays down the demand that we must believe that Jesus is God, in order to be saved from our sins.
Yes,
basically what we are saved from is from our sins. The separation from God, the final tragic end in hell, it all is a consequence of sin. A holy God cannot be in the presence of sin. This is why the two sacraments of baptism and confession are so important to us. In baptism we are forgiven from all previous sin, and in confession we are forgiven from the sins we afterwards commit.
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