The Trinity = 3 Gods

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Peace to all,

So true, The Trinity equals Three Gods, I believe

Sometimes we ask is Mary a God in the Trinity? Or perhaps, where is Stephen?

OK,Stephen here, I think I got it now in all generalization logically the New Eve transforms mankind through the Christ of Mary conceived in the will of the father and Holy Spirit family poweras brothers and sisters to all mankind becoming through the new Adam we become from Jesus conceived in the Holy Spirit power becoming in all sons and daughters of God becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

So logically Mary is the Christ God of immaculate flesh transformation for all becoming into the new eve.

And through the New Eve for Jesus Virgin, born in the New Adam becoming the Christ flesh Brothers and sisters to all mankind in all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance, forgiven, we become blood sons and daughters of God becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being

Here we can rationally see the Coredemptive powers of both Mary and Jesus becoming in all the Christ becoming again sons and daughters of God in one Holy Spirit, family one God in being, I believe.

So logically to me the DNA of both natures perhaps are from Mary the mother or Mary is sister through the flesh and Mother from the spirit, I believe.

In any case, logically she is God, Lord Mary, I believe.

So the test becomes do we have proof? Jesus is God? Now we have proof Mary is God, but really in all generalizations who needs proof Mary is God in The Trinity Family? I believe.

Hey guys, well a thought happened today I was thinking about the Trinity on my way back from Rockland and determined logically Mary is God I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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One of the older guys in my church jokingly said that there are catholics who believe that Mary is the 4th person in the Trinity. You are apparently one of those.

Mary was taken up to heaven, and crowned in heaven. So we read in Revelation 12. But she did not become God. She has a special position with respect to the Church, being patron saint of many different affairs.

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Hello Andrew, I will take 3 quotes from your post. I have studied on the Trinity, so maybe and hopefully I can provide you with some reference points.

I think this is also the sticky point of the thread starter. However, it is in the revelation given to the patriarcs.
First Abraham : genesis 19:24 “And Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven”. There is one Yahweh on earth and there is one in heaven. So apparently there are two powers named Yahweh.
Then Jacob. Genesis 32:28 “Then He said, “Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.””
Jacob did not see God the father, he saw God the son.
In the Shema, we however learn that
Deuteronomy 6:4 ““Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!”
How logically this can work out, is only because this word is the same word used in “the two shall become one flesh” as in marriage. To say it plainly, God is one family, one fellowship.
This is btw why marriage is so holy in the christian faith.

Well, the Holy Spirit IS a person. A very clear verse is Acts 13:2 “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'” We see that the Holy Spirit considers himself to be a person. Many other verses like this.

Well, in some sense the whole of the Family of God has the qualities of both genders. We see example Jesus when he went up to Jerusalem saying Matthew 23:37 “ How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you did not want it." I think that is a femine quality of God demonstrated right there.

(all scripture quotations, from Legacy Standard Bible / biblehub)

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Peace to all,

Who needs proof Jesus is God, but for all that do I can help. Jesus exists in infallible intelligence logic unfailing and in only One Way, loving only and with loving in only the Most love, which is why all disciples are the beloved Disciple, logically, even those not born yet from the cross He was speaking to pointing to His Mother, where the blood and water did flow for all, "Ecce Mater tua, rebirth and salvation for all from the FirstBorn Christ of all creation for all mankind becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

To me The Eternal Priestly Authority’s logical intelligence preexisted from the Spirit of Jesus before creation was ever created was even created as a Personal God in being toghther with teh Father and The Mother each Gods also from preexistence in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Here is proof The Father as we know and the Mother, Queen of Heaven, Queen of Cuoncil, I believe helped John write the Gospel According to Mary, I mean The Gospel According to John and The Book of Revelation. The Whole Family has always been Gods from peexistence in logical infallible undefiled intelligence logic becoming again in all, all Gods coming inside of us all living becoming again in One Holy, Holy Family of God, To me, through the Holy Spirit Family of The One God, the Trinity is The One God reimaged logicel undeflied intelligence logic through two natures in One Body spirit and life becoming again in all as One in being. And we give all the Glory, in accordance with Romans 11:36, perhaps prophet Muhammad is also right, One God. This is what I tell muslim Brothers and Sisters, all so reverent and they listen, so do I, to their stories.

Peace to all,
Stephen

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Man, I put 20 minutes into that post, and you just dismiss it ? phew …

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Peace to all,

The reading took me time and I read and thanks.

So true, pdanoe, God bless, I understand, do you think The Father is God? And Jesus? I think they are God, together in One Family.

And what is the gender of The Holy Spirit? Thanks in advance, pdanoe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Thanks for taking the time to read.
Well, I cannot describe the gender of Holy Spirit for sure. I say “He”, but that does not exclude that He has feminine qualities.

I have emphasized how Holy Spirit is a person. However, it is also true, as our nicene confession states, that He emanates from the Father and the Son. How exactly the relations are within the Godhead, we may not grasp on side of eternity.

I do feel that woman is created in the image of the Holy Spirit, but that is my personal pet theory.

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To begin with the Trinity and all it’s connected terms is NOT in the Bible.
Jesus TOLD us who the True God IS (John 17:3)- but everyone IGNORES him!
Jehovah (alto the Name’s been removed 7,000 times in most Bibles) said that would remain His
name FOREVER (Ex 3).
The holy breath (spirit) of God is His POWER, not a Nameless Ghost.
The 3 Gods (it IS) are NEVER seen in the many visions.

So, there- you have the FACTS!

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Another JW idea there.
We just discussed Acts 13:2. So, how does “your” (probably JW) idea of an unpersonal force align with this biblical statement?
Acts 13:2 modern literal version: “Now while ministering* to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, Separate Barnabas and Saul for me, for the work to which I have called them.”

So how does the theory of an unpersonal force work here? Can an unpersonal force ask people to be separated to “itself”? If it is unpersonal, it does not even have a self, so the sentence would not make sense. Can an unpersonal force by itself call people to a work? How would that work?

You need a good cleaning up of your JW theology.

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Heh!
It is God SPEAKING and FEELING thru His spirit!
WHY do you think it’s called GOD’s spirit?
Why do you think it fills people, is in Job’s nose, portions are taken of it- and it is NEVER seen in the visions of God and Christ?

GhostAnim

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John 20:17 is a verse from the Gospel of John where Jesus, after his resurrection, tells Mary Magdalene, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Peace to all,

So true, Question, with New OMNIEyes I believe the vision of The Family Gods through conception in Jesus becoming The Christ is becoming again OMNILogically to clearly in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being is the Ghost we can see, we are able to see God, with New OMNILogical Eyes, to be able to see The Family of God, OMNIILogically, thanks, I beleive.

“I have emphasized how Holy Spirit is a person. However, it is also true, as our nicene confession states, that He emanates from the Father and the Son. How exactly the relations are within the Godhead, we may not grasp on side of eternity.
I do feel that woman is created in the image of the Holy Spirit, but that is my personal pet theory.” PDanoe

Thanks, So true, PDanoe, and to me logically, the personal relationship to Jesus through The Christ, I believe is through The Family of God, properly reborn from the Mother, Mary through the Immaculate Conception in immaculate flesh made incorruptible from the Power of the Holy Spirit through two natues in One Body through the Baptized New Eve in all mankind. Here we logically see the Godhead, a protestant term flavor of what in Catholicism is The Trinity Family through The Mother from the Father for The Son becoming through the powers for all Three Personal Gods in being conceived through teh flesh of Jesus becoming the Christ in alll mankind through the Body of The New Eve, OMNILogically, I believe.

And quite off Stephen’s cuff, to me, StephenOMNILogically, born again and saved can be the New Catholic Evengelazion now that all can see with New OMNIEyes OMNILogical rebirth and salvation for all through through The Christ from two natures for One Body becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being throuth the personal relationships of Jesus’s Family becoming One God Family in all, I believe.

We become the Image of the selected spirit Father manifested by the Power from the Spirit through the created souls of all for the flesh becoming one Body becoming brothers and sisters to all through Jesus for the New Adam through The Christ, The Family of God conceived through Jesus from the Power of The Holy Spirit becoming Sons and Daughters of God from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven properly “saved” through Jesus becoming the Christ in all “saved” logically “reimaged through the image to the Spirit God Family of God through Flesh God Mother Mary from Father God” becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me I believe, in all generalizations.

Peace always,
Stephen

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OK, I get the impression that you are only here to ventilate your doctrine. If you were willing, we could take a walk through the biblical data, but I do not get the impression you are willing.

Most likely you are a member of a specific faith group. You will keep referring to that faith group, and so will never change your view. I have had long conversations with 2 JW’s on the Trinity, and I have had other bible talks with a friend who is adventist. In both cases they were not willing to confront the biblical data, but stuck to their doctrine. Same with you, so most likely you are not willing to change your doctrine.

And when people refer to Holy Spirit as “it”, I cannot follow there. So many places in scripture, He is shown to have individual personal qualities, like feelings, a will, a self.

You are being intellectually dishonest when coming on this forum. You want us to change our doctrine, but you yourself are not willing to consider your own doctrine. That is a show of intellectual dishonesty.

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Peace to all,

So true there are many Doctrines, I believe.

To me, if everything The Christ did on earth and in heaven could be written, (Doctrine), not even the world could contain the books of His teachings, to me, I believe. So where do we go? logically to find the answers, in all generalizations? Logic? Trusted and verified from teh one whom sits on Moses seat? With resrect to the logical formulas of the Wondrous Mysteries of The Faith in The Christ? Becoming from and again in all One Holy Family One God in being? From Doctrine, How does The Mind of God work? Chapter? Verse?

What must we to be saved from born again reimaged through two natures in One Body reimaged again saved in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe, OMNILogically, in all generalizations.

To me there is nothing written, there is no Doctrine giving proof, to me, I believe in all generalizations.

Who needs proof Jesus is God? or even has proof jesus is God? But for all that do need and have proof, proof is here and in preexistence, OMNILogically I believe.

The Holy Spirit is logically non-gender, better said in all generalizations All-Gender rationally the Family of God from Three Powers and Personal Gods in being existing even before creation was ever created was even created, proving The Father the Mother and The Son Personal Gods in Spiritual beings, Gods from preexistence, becoming inside of us living in all from Mary becoming flesh brothers and sisters through Jesus from Holy Spirit incorruption becoming Sons and Daughters of God becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me I believe,

Peace always,
Stephen

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That is the main question. In all essence, we must be in good communication with God and with His Church. In the gospel of John, Jesus laid down one requirement worthy of mention for the context of this thread
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.
Here, it is believed by the Church, Jesus lays down the demand that we must believe that Jesus is God, in order to be saved from our sins.

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Peace to all,

Saved, I believe is many things many ways, becoming One Way all becoming again One God.

Many ways properly explains the New “Catholic” Evengelization or what should be, with all respect to the God of Abraham becoming again in all from the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries of the Faith for two natures once Out of the Bosom of Abraham in One Body becoming again in all angels and mankind all creation in One Holy Family, I believe, to me, Quite ligically born again and saved is through the Christ, New Eve and New Adam in One Body becoming again in all One God, One Family, to me i believe.

To me is our own personal Epiphany manifesting from Holy Spirit Power egual to Our Brother becoming in all sons and daughters of God becoming again, Well pleasing for all to The Father and our personal manifestation of God in our Own personal Christ becoming again in all One God in being a Holy Family again, and quite off the cuff, I believe, to me. Where did this come from? Ok, moving on now, to me, I believe, Saved, i believe is faithfully for The New Adam born again from The New Eve. Rationally, Saved if from two Sacraments Baptized becoming flesh immortality from Sacrifice through hearing the Words of Absolution forgiven in Penance becoming again in One Holy Family One God in being. Saved as I am thinking, is I believe, through the New Adam from the Immaculate Conception God of Flesh Transformation through the Virgin Birth for Jesus conceived by The Power of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being becoming again in all sons and daughters of The One God. Saved, I believe, is the New Eve Body from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven to be able to become from Jesus Virgin Born from the Immaculate Conception in the New Adam through The Christ in all mankind becoming again One God. In all generalizations, Saved is OMNILogically reimaged logical intelligence becoming of the selected spirit father through choice. Saved is becoming through the New Eve becoming through The New Adam for Jesus becoming The Christ in all mankind becoming again in all immortally flesh glorified and incorruptibly Holy Spirit transfigured reimaged becoming again the image of the Father in One Holy Family One God in being I am thinking, to me, in all generalizations, I believe. To me our logical rebirth is from Mary, God of Merct, and God of Flesh Transformation becoming the Baptized into the Catholic Church becoming our own personal New Eve Body of Christ. Saved into becoming the selected image is to be able to become again immortally glorified reborn from the New Eve through the New Adam becoming from Holy Spirit incorruption in both natures transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically, I believe. Saved is Just like Jesus as all mankind brothers and sisters becoming sons and daughters of God in our own personal Epiphany and manifestation of God in all mankind at the Jordan River, well pleasing to the Father, Baptized Sanctified and Confirmed Incorruptible from the Power of the Holy Spirit Family through Immaculate Flesh from the New Eve becoming for Jesus in the New Adam from Holy Spirit incorruption in One Body of The Christ ready to be able to become again glorified and transfigured back to the Family from where we all came. And quite off the cuff to me, I am thinking from some where? Huh? Saved is being able to from Baptized immortalization become from the death through The New Eve death in the flesh for the souls of all in One Body through two natures immaculate flesh immortality from Holy Spirit Incorruption becoming again in all One God Family. Saved is as I am thinking, is reborn from the New Eve becoming immaculate flesh immortally and becoming through the Christ in Holy Sprit incorruption becoming in all two natures New Eve reborn and New Adam saved through the Christ for all mankind becoming again in all One Body immortally glorified and incorruptibly transfigured becoming again in One Holy Family One God being, OMNILogicalGod, To me, I believe.

Peace to all,
Stephen

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Yes,
basically what we are saved from is from our sins. The separation from God, the final tragic end in hell, it all is a consequence of sin. A holy God cannot be in the presence of sin. This is why the two sacraments of baptism and confession are so important to us. In baptism we are forgiven from all previous sin, and in confession we are forgiven from the sins we afterwards commit.

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So true, PDanoe, Yes

Baptism sanctifies both flesh once always and sanctifies only The Spirit once, until the first sin of cocupisence, the First stain must be, as all sins all stains removed, Absolved becoming undefiled from the Words through Penance from Sacrifice “forgiven” to become as The Christ, spotless, flesh and spirit, becoming again in our own personal immortal and incorruptible transfiguration becoming again in all One Holy Family as Gods in One Body, I believe.

Rationally, the logical formulas of the Wondrous Mysteries become clear and with respect from The Faith of Abraham fulfulled through the Christ now in two natures.

Original Sanctification is from two natures Baptized becoming from the New Eve, Literally two nature sanctification in flesh and spirit transformation rebirth, born again in all into The Catholic Church and Re-Sanctification becomes from Absolution in the Words through Confession forgiven from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven in all and In Communion with Him, the Holy Spirit Family through the Host, The Body, Blood, Souls and divinity of The Entire “Sophia” and The Full Wisdom of the Entire Logical and Physical Holy Family, I believe, all mankind becomes re-Sanctified and Confirmed in the Will of The Father “Saved” in all generalizatons, to my thinking, I believe.

For immortal glorification and Holy Spirit incorruption transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family, One God in being, is what I am thinking, That the Holy Spirit Family has The “Fiat” Power.

Peace always,
Stephen

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pdanoe- the same word translated as “he” is the same word for “it”.
Since IT is not a person but God’s POWER the meaning’s obvious!

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John 8:21] Again he said to them, “I go away, and you will seek me and die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come.”
22- Then said the Jews, “Will he kill himself, since he says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?” 23- He said to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
24- I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he.”

[ the savior- not God, not the Trinity]

25- They said to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Even what I have told you from the beginning.
26- I have much to say about you and much to judge; but He who sent me is true, and I declare to the world what I have heard from Him.”
27- They did not understand that he spoke to them of the Father.
28- So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me.
29- And He who sent me is with me; He has not left me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to Him.”
30- As he spoke thus, many believed in him.

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Death is NOT separation.
NOWHERE in the Bible!

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