pdanoe- the same word translated as “he” is the same word for “it”.
Since IT is not a person but God’s POWER the meaning’s obvious!
John 8:21] Again he said to them, “I go away, and you will seek me and die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come.”
22- Then said the Jews, “Will he kill himself, since he says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?” 23- He said to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
24- I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he.”
[ the savior- not God, not the Trinity]
25- They said to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Even what I have told you from the beginning.
26- I have much to say about you and much to judge; but He who sent me is true, and I declare to the world what I have heard from Him.”
27- They did not understand that he spoke to them of the Father.
28- So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me.
29- And He who sent me is with me; He has not left me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to Him.”
30- As he spoke thus, many believed in him.
My friend,
it is my conviction now, that you have a limited and still superficial understanding of the Godhead. The kind of arguments you bring forth are not deep, not very scripture-based. Oh yes, you pluck one scripture here, and one there, and then go by what you think the wording in the english translation mean. That is not deep, and certainly not to the standard of whole-Bible exploration that I would require.
I do not think by now, that a continuation of the interaction will be fruitful. Maybe some day you will see it, but based on experience I remain somewhat pessimistic on that. You being a member of a faithgroup whose identity you will not disclose, just shows that your anchor is not in Scripture, but with some specific faith group. So you probably will not get it.
A danish proverb goes like this: It is hard to convince a man of something, when his salary depends on him thinking otherwise. I think you are in a similar situation..
So thanks for now
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Catholic Dogma vs the Bible…
OK, now I get it why you were asking me for the gender of Holy Spirit. You ascribe to Mary the feminine aspects of the Godhead.
Yes, well we all have some balancing to do in our christian walk. The protestant view of Mary has generally become low, although the reformers like Luther did revere her. The catholic view of Mary is high, she is a perfected saint in heaven, but not divine.
However, as she has been made perfect, her prayers are very effectual, and we read in Gospel of John chapter 2 about the wedding at Cana, where Jesus was not willing to do a miracle, but because of his mothers request he did it anyway. This is the biblical model for our marian prayers. We ask Mary to pray for us, recognizing that she is able to get God to do even that which he is not really in the mood for.
That’s just not true.
Mary, too, is DEAD.
The resurrection awaits!
Make believe- not in ANY Bible…
I appreciate your going to the scriptures- but Revelation is a symbolic vision- of which are many interpretations. It does not support the "immortal soul’- but reveal (in a symbolic way) God’s Day of Resurrection- which would not take place if souls were immortal…
Adam and Eve brought sin and death- and it was SATAN who told Eve she would NOT die!
Gen 2:7- And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living *
soul
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Are you referring to two hydrogens and an oxygen (a pretty great analogy for the Holy Trinity) or are you referring to liquid, ice, and vapor (which would be an analogy for modalism, which Catholic Christians do not believe)?
Like most analogies, they fall short. The Father is fully God, The Son is fully God, and the Holy Spirit is fully God, but hydrogen is not fully water and oxygen is not fully water. But, it does help to show how different things can relate to one another to form one unity.
…Allegedly. As I’ve said in the past, that I am a skeptic on the Maria V. stuff.
Why does everything need to be in the Bible? Bible alone isn’t biblical so…
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So, you admit to to come after Christ. Very Good!
If it not from the Bible it’s UNBIBLICAL!
What does water have to do with it. The words of Christ are VERY clear.
I like how you put down the Church, but yet you follow The Bible. The Bible was written by men bro….I get my answers from God, not from a book written from men for men.