The Trinity = 3 Gods

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Peace always,

The New OMNILogicalGod Parable of the never dying Disciple becoming again One Family through spirit and life in One Body from Two Natures, by Stephen Andrew through the Power of The Holy Spirit Family, I believe.

Questions anyone? OMNILogicalGod got answers, to me , I believe.

The Trinity creates transformes and glorifies and transfigures all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically, to me I believe. We are logically created from the Father transformed through the Mother for The Son in the Christ becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically, to me I believe.

Romans 36 For from him, The Father and through her, Mary, The Mother and for him, Jesus The Son are all things.
To him, The One Holy Spirit Family One God in being be the glory forever! Amen.

The Trinity creates transformes and glorifies and transfigures all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically, to me I believe.

The Christ with flesh saves the angels and saints and all awaiting from the Bosom of Abraham from animal sacrifice through Penance, forgiven, awaiting the Christ from the flesh becoming again through both natures, spirit and life in One Body becoming again One Body, One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

Logically, The second death is of the spirit. Even the Devil told a partial truth, ā€œSurly we will never die.ā€

Jesus saith to him, ā€˜If him I will to remain till I come, what is it to thee? be thou following me.ā€™ This word, therefore, went forth to the brethren that that disciple doth not die, and we are all disciple of Christ that will never die of the spirit becoming again through the flesh of the Christ in all One God, One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me, I believe,

Sheol is the Bosom of Abraham, where the saved spirits in the souls await from the first nature death of the flesh becoming again through the Christ, from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven, resurrection from the spirit through the souls of all for the flesh in the Body to become again One Holy Spirit Family One OMNILogicalGod in being, to me, rationally and faithfully, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen.

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Everyone has dogma. Look up the etymology of the word. Your dogma is Nontrinitarianism.

Now, there is formal dogma, doctrine, ordinary teaching, and discipline, which define certain truths, theology, council, and behavioral procedures (which can change).

Everyone has a lens by which they view the world or put their focus on. For StephenAndrew that lens is what he refers to as OMNILogic. For you, yours is Nontrinitarianism. I view most things through the lens of Free Will & Personal Responsibility.

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Who cares?
A true Christian believes in Christ, not Church Dogma.

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Believing that Christ exists is a dogma. Do you believe Catholic Christians do not believe in Jesus?

You do not believe that Jesus is God, I think I am understanding your position correctly. Do you believe He is one of many Gods (polytheism)? Or do you believe He is a lesser God? Do you believe that Jesus is fully man and not fully
divine? Possess by God maybe? Is that what you think the Spirit* is? Or do you believe in Modalism? Iā€™m trying to understand what you believe, but you have not explained it very well. Can you explain what you do believe, rather than what you donā€™t believe?

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Jesus is Godā€™s only BEGOTTEN son,
NOT ā€œGod-the-Sonā€.
Nobody BEGAT God!

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What do you mean by this? I know what the Church teaches when she says ā€œbegotten,ā€ but I suspect you mean something different.

Letā€™s start here: Is Jesus fully divine, partially divine, or absent of divinity?

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How are men begotten?
GOD is not begotten?

Jesus is divine- JUST like his God and Father.

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Do you interchange the word ā€œbegottenā€ and the word ā€œmade?ā€

In our Apostleā€™s Creed, we say that Jesus was ā€œbegotten, not madeā€¦ā€

We believe that Jesus, the second person of the Holy Trinity, has eternally existed (John 1:1-3; John 8:58). He became incarnate (John 1:14).

What denomination do you now belong to? Still curious. Or are you a ā€œJust me and my Bible type of Christianā€? Do you attend a Church? Iā€™m curious how you came to believe what you believe.

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Do you believe God was BEGOTTEN?
The Trinity was BEGOTTEN???

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Again, you are confusing the word ā€œbegottenā€ with ā€œcreated.ā€ These two words are not interchangeable (theologically speaking).

No, the Trinity was not crated, God has always existed (hints the eternal present, ā€œI Amā€).

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Do you believe God was BEGOTTEN?
The Trinity was BEGOTTEN???

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The greek word ā€œmonogenesā€ often translated ā€œonly begottenā€ should probably better be translated ā€œone of a kindā€ or ā€œuniqueā€. I believe that would clear up some of the confusion here.

For thus point I quote the late Michael Heiser, a scholar, who studied a lot on the Trinity.

So, Jesus is not ā€œbegottenā€, as if born, but he is unique.

The discussion on the meaning of ā€œmonogenesā€ is relevant, since it is part of our dogmatic confession as catholics, and we repeat this confession every mass (We believe in Jesus Christ, his only begotten ā€œmonogenesā€ son)

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Peace to all,

ā€œMonogenesā€ (Ī¼ĪæĪ½ĪæĪ³ĪµĪ½Ī®Ļ‚) is a Greek word meaning ā€œunique,ā€ ā€œone and only,ā€ or ā€œone of a kind.ā€

The Logical Christ becomes again in all One Family.

The Christ logically is Jesus conceived by the Power of The Holy Spirit Family One God in being from the New Eve through the New Adam through both natures from immortal immaculate flesh through incorruptibly Holy Spirit in One Body, to me, I believe.

We as brothers and sisters of Jesus become the transformed Christ in all mankind. And through the Christ in all mankind we become Sons and Daughters of God becoming again glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me, I believe as OMNILogicalGod, in all generalization.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Thank you, pdanoe, for insight on monogenes. While you are helping us, what in the world does consubstantial mean? The English translation of the Nicene Creed used to say, ā€œone in being,ā€ but that was changed to consubstantial; I wonder about the translators sometimesā€”as a native English speaker, I donā€™t think Iā€™ve ever spoken about the substance of a person, and ā€œsubstanceā€ is often used as a euphemism for illegal drugs. When I recited the words ā€œone in being,ā€ I could kind of guess at what I said I believed, but now I have very little idea.

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Peace to all,

The God from Abraham is The Two Nature God becoming again in all Consubstantially, immortally glorified and incorruptibly transfigured in One Family.

To me One in being is synonymous with consubstantial with respect to becoming again out of The Bosom of Abraham resurrection life from the spirit through the souls of all for the flesh in One Body from the God of the Faith of Abraham becoming again through consubstantially in union with two natures becoming One Body of Christ in all mankind becoming again in all One Holy Family One God in being, to me, I believe,

Consubstantially, spirit and life become ā€œĪ¼ĪæĪ½ĪæĪ³ĪµĪ½Ī®Ļ‚ā€ united in fellowship with the Holy Spirit together with the Father and The Son through the Mother transformed immortality through the New Eve becoming from Holy Spirit Incorruption for conceived by the Power of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being ā€œBegottenā€ for Jesus glorified in the New Adam becoming the Christ in all mankind, becoming again immortally glorified and incorruptibility transfigured united as One in Being, monogenes, unique, one of a kind, in all One Family One God in all.

Out of the Bosom of Abraham from the spirit through the souls of all for the flesh in One Body, consubstantially becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me, I believe.

Consubstantially the Holy Spirit becomes flesh from the spirit through two natures in One Body of Christ in all mankind becoming in One Body in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Hello Literalman :slight_smile:
Still new to this forum, so I do not have the ā€œquoteā€ option yet. But paraphrasing, you ask me on the difference between ā€œone in beingā€ versus the newer ā€œconsubstantialā€.

The nicene creed with greek text above : https://bibletranslation.ws/down/Nicene_Creed.pdf
It seems to depend on the translation of one word in the greek, namely į½Ī¼ĪæĻƒĻĻƒĪ¹ĪæĪ½ , homoousion, homo - ousion. ā€œhomoā€ meaning ā€œsameā€, and ā€œousionā€ meaning ā€œbeingā€ or ā€œessenceā€.

I believe that ā€œconsubstantialā€ would emphasize that the Son is of the same essence as the Father, whereas ā€œone in beingā€ would emphasize that the Son and the Father is part of the same divine being. The idea behind ā€œessenceā€ is that there are certain divine things, and certain created things. When one is divine, one is not created. So Jesus was not created.

More on this in wikipedia: Homoousion - Wikipedia

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That still is no answer to how God created him!
He had a beginning!

Col 1:15- He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation.

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Peace to all,

So true, The Holy Spirit is the invisible, Holy Spirit Family God becoming again through the flesh of Jesus becoming The Christ in all mankind becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me I believe.

To me all mankind becomes from brothers and sisters becoming Sons and Daughters of The Holy Spirit Family becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being One Family.

To me Jesus is God of Justice preexisting as Eternal Priestly authority of Spirit and life becoming or all sould created from The Father transformed through The Mother for the Son in the Christ becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Logical fulfilled undefiled intelligence becomes Arked to earth through the New Covenant fulfilling faith and morality through the flesh of The Christ in all becoming again One Family, OMNILogically, to me, I believe.

And each personal God, The Creator God and The Father, The Son, Jesus and The Mother, Mary existed in fulfilled undefiled intelligence logic before creation was ever created was even created proving Them Gods from preexistence and not created beings. And each God is equal in the Powers of God and separately Gods in being and together One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically, to me I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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