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I rarely believe private revalation.
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that would be a mistake as well, Paul clearly says to test all prophecy and not to quench the SpiritâŚoften, when one has gotten deep into Mental Prayer, you will start to notice little nudges or events during the day that show God is speakingâŚBill Wilson, the founder of AA, even mentions this in the Big BookâŚ
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Peace to all,
To me, logic helps understand the mind of God from created, failed from the spirit through the souls of all created bodies in the flesh becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Spirit and life becomes through two, both natures becoming again in One Holy Spirit Body.
Peace always,
Stephen
is this private or public revelation?
"Moses, Samuel, Isaiah, etc., that would be considered âprivate revelationââ: I think that the books of the Bible are public revelation, part of the âdeposit of faith.â The Catholic Catechism says, âThere have been so-called âprivateâ revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith.â
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The Wikipedia page on Maria Valtorta says, " In 2025, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith declared her writings as non-supernatural in origin. " It has a link to a Vatican press release of 22 Feb 2025.
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What happens when oneâs private revelation contradicts public revelation. Which do you believe to be true?
The problem that I have with private revelation is that individuals who claim to be prophets today are mentally off (And maybe I would have thought the same of Moses, Samuel, Isaiah, etc. had I lived in their day.) Take for instance someone who believes God is telling them to blow up an abortion clinic, but public revelations tells us that this is wrong. Who is correct? I side with public revelation.
I do not doubt that God speaks to individuals. I believe He has guided my life, through others, signs, situations and opportunities. These were meant for me and not for the entire world. It isnât that I am special, but rather that these revelations were not meant for everyone, but customized to my relationship with Him.
God knows who the leaders are. If He has a public message meant for everyone, He knows not to come to me ; )
Great point! I agree with this. I appreciate you sharing.
Vol. 1, p. 7, oddly claims, âMary can be called the âsecond-bornâ of the Father . . .â Her explanation limits the meaning, avoiding evidence of an authentic heresy; but it does not take away the basic impression that she wants to construct a new mariology, which simply goes beyond the limits of propriety." âAnother strange and imprecise statementâ made of Mary (vol. 4, p. 240) is that she will "be second to Peter with regard to ecclesiastical hierarchy. . . " Our Lady surpasses St. Peterâs holiness, but she is not in the hierarchy, let alone second to St. Peter.
Peace to all,
What Maria is trying to say is bland truthfully, nonlogical.
Logically, Mary preexisted as Queen of Heaven, Mother of God before creation was ever created was ven created, and the New Eve through the Annunciation becoming the Immaculate Conception for the Virgin Birth of The Christ becoming again in all mankind One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through both natures, spirit and flesh. Presented so Even a child can understand the Mind of God logically.
Saint Peter is Earthly Priestly Authority who now sits on Moses seat passing the keys to all understanding the revelation Jesus, in The Christ, The Entire Holy Spirit Family, The Father, and The Mother and The Son are One God in being is God in all mankind becoming again to currently Pope Francis, Vicar of Christ on Earth and the hanpicked of God to lead the Church.
Mary was born of Eve and becomes the New Eve through a singular, spectacular grace from God, a grace freely given becoming immaculate immortality through the Power of Holy Spirit Family through the New Eve for all Baptized into the Catholic Church and sanctified, flesh and spirit from the Holy Spirit and un-Confirmed in the Will of the Father and through The Christ becoming able to through Baptism from death to life to become again Confirmed and re-Sanctified glorified and transfigured through the Christ, bypassing death for Her Glorious Assumption, OMNILogically.
Logically, Always confusion reigns witout proper logic, OMNILogically God. The Forefathers and Foremothers of the Faith always miss on logic in the Trinity and not seeing The Trinity as One Holy Family and miss on logic of the preexistion Mother of God, Mary and not realizing the Holy Spirit Family is One God in being through three powers and personal Gods preexistion before creation From the Father through The Mother for The Son becoming the Christ, from the cross where the real blood and water rebirth became for all in all becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically.
Truthfully, rationally, and faithfully, Where did all of the blood and water even come from, He was Dead, no Jesus never dies, not of the Holy Spirit, rebirth for all through both natures, Holy Spirit and Immaculate Immortal Flesh becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically.
Peace always,
Stephen
Deliverer of the OMNILogical God, the same God from The Faith of Abraham explessed in the logic for today.
I merely reported what I discovered. Until yesterday I had not heard of Maria Valtorta. I do not have an opinion about her or her writing, nor do I have an obligation or an inclination to investigate claimed private revelations.
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âI do not doubt that God speaks to individuals. I believe He has guided my life, through others, signs, situations and opportunities. These were meant for me and not for the entire world.â I have had the same experience. One example: a few years ago I was praying with others outside an abortion clinic. A man was yelling at us and being kind of nasty. I thought I heard the Holy Spirit tell me that the man had lost a child to abortion, so I asked the guy whether he had lost a son or daughter to abortion. He said yes and said he wasnât sorry. Did I have a private revelation? Did I make a lucky guess? Was I Captain Obvious, stating what anybody could figure out? I donât know. It doesnât matter. What matters is that I politely said something.
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Peace to all,
As far as the Trinity, three persons in One God, logocally.
Rationally how can the Holy Spirit be a person and not a Holy Family of God and how can the Holy Family One God in being be without the Mother.
Peace always,
Stephen
Peace to all,
To me the Mystical Body is the Holy Spirit Family One God in being existing before creation becoming again through the flesh becoming again in both natures, Spirit and Life, God and Temple becoming again through three preexisting powers and separate Gods in being equal each in the Powers of God From Creation through Transformation for Glorification and transfiguration in all becoming Again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being from the Father through The Mother for The Son in The Christ becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Rational logic can now be seen correctly as The Holy Spirit as the Family of God, no gender and now we truthfully see Mary, The Mother of God and Mother of Son of Man from Heaven, the Word is God in The Holy Spirit Family becoming conceived in the flesh of Jesus becoming the Christ through The New Eve and through The Christ becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through both natures.
âIt is true that Scripture does not say the first sin of Adam and Eve was a sexual one, but it also doesnât clearly define what it was. Itâs been generally agreed that the description of Adam and Eve eating of the forbidden fruit is a symbol of their sin, of their disobedience, not the actual material object of their sin. The Church has never formally taught what that sin was, so though one is free to disagree with the belief that it was sexual in nature, one cannot claim that belief to be an error.â In Defense of thePoem
By Jonathan A. Baker
To me Baker is not logical and the Poem is illogical to me, good reading but failed in truth, rationally.
Formally the truth can only be know logically. What is the first sin becomes from two natures becoming again. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil brought choice from the Spirit for the souls of all for the flesh to become the image of the Father becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. The Image of the Holy Family is the One God in being through both natures, Spirit and life.
Adam and Eve are created from the Father eternal mortal with access to the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. As Authority and Spirit and Life Adam was told not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, giving access remaining in the Garden with access to the Tree of Life Daily. Adam seen by God as lonely separates Authority an Spirit and Life from the Rib (Greek for equal or whole side) of Adam, creating Eve equal in the Power of the Authority of Adam as Spirit and Life in Eve. Eve defies Authority, Adam and Eve as Spirit and Life gives up her mortal eternal life for the love of Adam to have him know the goodness of life and spirit even if it meant her own death. And now Adamâs choice becomes to choose to live alone forever with out Eve or to die with the Love of Eve.
In all generalization and truthfully logically The Holy Spirit is a Family of God rationally and Mary existed in fulfilled intelligence logic as Queen of Heaven and Mother of God, God of Mercy before creation was ever created was even created, OMNILogically. And intelligently, physically and faithfully through the Immaculate Conception and The New Eve all mankind is transformed into immortality becoming again through The Christ incorruptibly glorified and transfigured One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Reasonably, really, Mary is from Adam and Eve, from the Power of The Holy Spirit at the Annunciation becoming the New Eve through the Immortal flesh in the Immaculate Conception delivering through Virgin Birth Jesus conceived by the Holy Spirit Family from the New Adam becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again through The Transfiguration just like Our Brother Jesus in all mankind glorified and transfigured One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Mary is the Miriam Presence the Catholic Church is looking for and we see clearly now the Holy Spirit is the Family of God and Mary is The Mother of God and a person in being of Power as equal to God in the power of The One God in being in the Trinity together with The Father and The Son for all in The Christ becoming glorified and transfigured with all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically.
Adam and Eve created love and The New Adam and The New Eve fulfill eternal love through The Passion of the Christ becoming to love only and to love with only the most love becoming again, One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically.
Peace always,
Stephen
Why are you so infatuated with this Maria Valtorta? What is your agenda? What has she revealed to you that you want the world to also believe to be true?
âYou looked up Maria Valtorta, found a recent statement by The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith that her writings âcannot be considered to be of supernatural originâ, and shared it on a public forum without knowing anything else about her. Why do that unless you blindly believe what you read to be true?â
I do not accept the requirement that I investigate a case myself before telling others about a Vatican statement I found. And if I blindly believe what I read, I would accept what you wrote about Maria Valtorta. My quoting a Vatican statement is not a good reason for your harsh criticism.
You forgot the word âallegedâ words ; )
Also, the alleged prophet Joseph Smith also claimed to have received visions and was given sacred texts and revelations from God.
How does He do this? Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would say that the âprophetâ Joseph Smith was His true spokesman.
And these members do not lack faith, humility, or love. Mormons would say the Book of Mormon, revealed to Joseph Smith by an angel of the Lord, is confirmed through personal spiritual experiences, the testimony of the Holy Ghost, and the testimony of witnesses who saw the gold plates (which has also been questioned by individuals who are skeptical).
I have friends who are LDS and they love Jesus, the Holy Bible, and are genuinely good people, but they believe things that are not in line with the Church founded by Jesus (though they might argue that Christ restored His Church through Joseph Smith).
My point here is not to debate LDS Beliefs, but rather to illustrate how Catholic Christians need to be careful of taking hold of private revelation and applying it as public revelation.
If you read Maria Valtorta and it inspires your faith in Jesus Christ, then this is better than having no faith. I would say the same about my Mormon friends.