The Teachings on Mary

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Growing up around Protestants and non-denominational Christians, Mary was someone that never got brought up in sermons (unless it’s Christmas time and you happen to believe in Christmas … a large amount don’t).

I’m learning a lot about Mary that I never knew was in the Bible (some of which was even foreshadowed in the OT). That being said there does seem to be a couple passages that would seem to put Mary on the same level as other Christians, and against her elevated status.

What do you make of these passages?

46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Also in Luke 11

  1. As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!”

28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

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The Evangelist, Luke, gave summarized but sufficient accounts of these scenes, the minimum necessary for the purpose of bringing people to belief and salvation. Jesus showed Maria Valtorta these scenes in a vision, which she described at length as a first-hand witness. Jesus, through Maria, His instrument, or “pen”, brings these Gospel scenes to life, helps one to understand them more and live them out better. You can read her accounts of Lk. 11:29-32 in The Poem of the Man-God, vol. 2, ch. 268 titled The Dispute with the Pharisees and the Arrival of Jesus’ Mother and Brothers (cousins), and Lk. 11:27 in vol. 3, ch. 287 titled Preaching at Gerasa.

These will help you understand the contexts and meanings. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.

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Peace to all,

“Jesus turns round and takes little Joseph by the hand, He draws him close to Himself and holding him up by his armpits He says: « I worked to provide food for this innocent child and his relatives and persuade them that God is good. It was a sermon on humility and charity for Korazim. And not only for Korazim. But also for you, Joseph, My unfair brother. But I forgive you because I know that you have been bitten by snakes. And I forgive you, too, Simon, who are so changeable. I have nothing to forgive My Mother or be forgiven by Her, because Her judgement is just. Let the world do what it wants. I do what God wants. And with the blessing of My Father and Mother I am happier than I would be if the whole world hailed Me king according to the world. Come, Mother. Do not weep. They do not know what they are doing. Forgive them. »
« Oh! Son! I know. You know. There is nothing else to be said…»
« There is nothing else to be said except say to the people: “Go in peace.” »
And Jesus blesses the crowd, and holding Mary with His right hand and Joseph with His left one, He goes towards the staircase and is the first to climb it.” Maria Valtorta, The Pen of Jesus

Logically, I believe, Mary is the Immaculate Conception becoming immaculate flesh immortality for all mankind through The New Eve from the Power of the Incorruptible Holy Spirit and logically 50% of the Christ for all mankind.

They reply: « We believe in the Spirit, but how can we believe in You unless we see a sign with our own eyes? »

“How can you believe in the Spirit whose actions are spiritual, if you do not believe in Mine that are perceptible by your eyes? My life is full of them. Are they not enough? No, they are not. I say so Myself. They are not enough. One sign only will be given to this adulterous wicked generation that seeks a sign: that of the prophet Jonah. In fact as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days, so the Son of man will be for three days in the bowels of the earth. I tell you solemnly that the Ninevites will rise on the Day of Judgement like all men, and they will rebel against this generation and condemn it. Because they did penance upon Jonah’s preaching, but you do not. And there is One here who is greater than Jonah. And so the Queen of the South will rise and stand up against you and will condemn you, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon. And there is One greater than Solomon here.” Maria Valtorta, The Pen of Jesus

““Greater than Solomon”: A claim for Jesus’s divinity becoming flesh in two natures Virgin Born through Mary’s divinity becoming through The Christ in superior undefiled infallible authority through superior immaculately immortal life becoming in all for The Christ embodying divine “Sophia” wisdom becoming from The Holy Family One God in being and offers the Only Greatest path to God than even the wisest human king can ever even imagine.” Google AI Overview combined with OMNiLogic

The Christ is the Sacrifice for Jesus in The New Adam becoming through the New Eve becoming again One Family in all mankind.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Who are His mother and brothers? We know the answer to that. Should Jesus have interrupted His teaching to go outside and talk to His family? Did they not know He had to be about His Father’s business (to borrow from the time He went missing in Jerusalem)? The Gospel implies that Jesus carried on with what He was doing at the moment. It implies also, I think, that He wanted us to direct our attention to our relationship with Him. We are supposed to be His brothers and sisters. We build that relationship by doing His will and pursuing holiness. There are pious things that could lead us closer to Him or could be distractions. Seek the kingdom first, Jesus said. If the people Jesus was preaching to in the Gospel had run outside and said, “It’s Mary! Hi, Mary!” instead of listening to what Jesus said, they would have been missing His message. Referring to Himself, Jesus said, “There is a greater than Solomon here.” He could also say, “There is a greater than Mary here.” Furthermore, this Gospel passage about who Jesus’s family is could make us think about how we are treating His family—not just His mother, but the members of His family we rub elbows with every day.

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Peace to all,

The Holy Spirit Family logically is visible to all becoming again One God in being.

From Three Gods preexisting in undefiled logical intelligence proving All Gods from preexistance and personal beings in souls uncreated, becoming alive and living in all through the flesh for the Christ and And each are Gods and personal Gods in being and each God is equal in the Powers of God and each God is separately God through the Powers and always together in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, logically, I believe.

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48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Logical God Mary Queen of Heaven preexisting undefiled God of Mercy transforms all becoming into the New Eve Baptized through the Catholic Church becoming able from death through resurrection of the flesh immaculately immortalized for all becoming again incorruptibly glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family, logically, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Pope Leo approved a Vatican decree instructing Catholics promoting devotion to Mary as a guide for Christian life, hope, and social transformation, consistent with her Magnificat.

Yes, in November 2025, Pope Leo XIV approved a Vatican decree (a Doctrinal Note called Mater populi fidelis) clarifying Mary’s role, discouraging titles like “Co-Redemptrix” to keep Christ central, emphasizing her as the “Mother of the Faithful,” and guiding devotion to her as a model of faith (like in her Magnificat) leading to Jesus, not as a co-savior, ensuring theological clarity while affirming deep Marian devotion.

Peace to all,

In his homily, the Holy Father reflected on this spirituality, observing, "It is like Sunday, which opens each new week in the radiance of his Resurrection from the dead. “Remember Jesus Christ”: this alone matters; this is what distinguishes human spiritualities from the way of God.

Pope Leo (specifically Pope Leo XIV in late 2025) has recently clarified Catholic teaching on Mary, emphasizing she is not a “co-redeemer” with Jesus, but rather the Mother of the Faithful whose obedience opened the way for salvation, which comes solely from Christ’s sacrifice.

What Pope Leo does not understand logically is the Christ is not just Jesus alone. The Christ is the Union from the Immaculate Conception through the Holy Spirit Incorruption in One Body for all In the CHrist.

Mary became also the Will of The Father first through the Immaculate Conception from the Power of The Holy Spirit Family in The New Eve for all becoming into the Catholic Church.

Mary’s role is crucial as the one who said “yes” to God, becoming the Mother of Jesus, thus opening the door for humanity’s redemption.

Social transformation is Co-Redemption through the fulfilled faith and mortality becoming The Christ in all mankind.

Through math alone no one can logically understand the Mind of God becoming again throuh two natures in One Family, OMNiLogically, I believe,

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Peace always,
Stephen

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I will take the last one first. When Jesus puts two good things together, he is not putting one down and the other up (as modern ears interpret). Jesus is saying this is good, but this is even better.

Another example of this is when Jesus says “Have you come to believe because you have seen [the wounds of Christs]? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.” (John 20:29).

Jesus is not saying that seeing and believing is bad. He is highlighting the faith of those who do not need proof and believe.

I am naturally a skeptic and I am not quick to believe something, but I am also not quick to claim disbelief either. I am open to whatever the truth is. Does this mean I lack faith? Maybe. But, it also means that I am so open-minded that I fall for anything & everything.

Back to Mary. Sometimes in the Gospels it sounds like Jesus is dissing His mother when He called her “woman.” But, if you read in the Old Testament, the foreshadowing of Mary calls her “woman.” This title is what links the old and the new together. Kind of like how St. Peter denies Christ in front of a charcoal fire and later is reconciled to Christ before a charcoal fire. It is like if you take the pages of the Bible and fold them to where these two indicators touch that you see the bigger picture.

Jesus once again is illustrating a deeper message. Jesus is not dishonoring his Mother here, for we know that it is good to honor our Mother and our Father (The Fourth Commandment taught in Exodus 20:12). What He is teaching has nothing to do with earthly realities, but rather speaking of the realities pertaining to the family of God, of which we are born (or rather reborn) into at our Baptism.

"For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Mary has been obedient to the will of our heavenly Father in a very profound way. But again, what Jesus is teaching about here is not about Mary. It is about an invitation for all of us to do the will of God.

Thank you for your questions. You are very genuine and fair to all sides. I really like this about you.

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Thank you for your reply.

These passages make more sense to me now. I never liked the idea of treating these verses as Jesus “dissing Mary”, because 1) That seems very out of sync with what I see God’s character to be. And 2) Jesus wouldn’t dishonor Mary because we know that would go against the 10 Commandments and that Jesus never sinned.

Another topic I would like to point. A lot of these discussions about all the Marian Doctrines and her various titles … a lot of these things gets boiled down to intellectual debates, and treating Mary like she was part of a pop quiz, or a puzzle that one side is “wrestling over” (are Protestants undervaluing her? Are Catholics overvaluing her?).

We forget that she’s not just a teaching … she’s a person. A living breathing person. She had the most unique relationship with Jesus that baffles the mind to think about. Yes, He was her God, her Lord, her Savior. But He was also her boy. She fed him, taught him how to walk and talk, raised him up … and through it all watched her son get tortured and mutilated to death on the cross.

I get the vibe from many that she was “merely a vessel” and after birthing Him, her job was over. But a mother’s job is never over.

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Thank you for your very astute response.

This becomes a lot clearer when taken in context!

Another thing that comes to mind … if Jesus is our “spiritual brother” … would not that make Mary our “spiritual mother” … ? Especially when one considers what Jesus said on the cross to Mary as He was giving her to the disciple John.

Thinking of Mary in this fashion makes me kind of uncomfortable, from my background and how I was raised. But I find the logic hard to argue with.

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Hello Soul.

Thanks for your comment.

I’m not familiar with the works of Maria Valtorta, and the text is difficult to read on my phone. That being said, a person in the 20th century claiming to write extra accounts of the life of Jesus. That raises some alarm bells for me, personally. I don’t know if I could trust such a claim.

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My pleasure. And, while it’s true that there are people who make false claims, it’s also true that there are those who make true claims, because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are still living in the 20th century, and they continue to interact with us. The Son, Jesus, truly showed Maria Valtorta visions of scenes from His life. There’s a wealth of evidence for this, which you can review in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work on the Maria Valtorta Readers’ Group site. Check out the other links in my “About Me” section on my profile as well.

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Peace to all,

“What is it to you if he remain alive until I return, you must follow me.” Jesus

How even does the logical Mind of God work? And then more Questions again arise and, we ask Stephen, OMNiLogically?

And Stephen goes like? Well, I believe:

Mary is our Earthly Sister from Baptism through immortality in the Immaculate Conception for Jesus Virgin Born from souls preexisting from Holy Spirit Family Powers conceived and alive living in the New Adam from death through resurection for all through the Christ becoming brothers and sisters in all mankind through the New Eve inside the Catholic Church, I believe.

Thie Disciple is who will never die from the spirit becoming from death through resurrectioin for the flesh becoming again for all Creation in One Family One God in being.

The unnamed disciple is from the cross and is the disciple He loves the most and is whom took home Mary from the cross. The unnamed disciple is all Disciples because He loves with only the most love and the Disciple at the cross is all Disciples because He loves all of He disciples the same with the most love. He spoke to us, all Disciples even before we were born, and He looked at us all and called us all my name, “Disciple,” and pointed to His Mother and said, “Ecce Mater tua,” “Behold your Mother,” and just like John we take Mary Home “From The Cross” with us, OMNiLogically, faithfully.

Logically, I believe Mary was with John for perhaps 40 years and helped him writh the Gospel According to Mary, I mean The Gospel According to John and The Book of Revelation, Mary is Queen of Council, protected and had special priviy to divine knowledge, I believe.

John would ask, “Mary, what was it like in the beginning with The Father and Your Son Jesus?” Mary would say, “Well John In the beginning there was your Father and Jesus and we were together in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being,”

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Through Mary for Jesus we become One Body through the Christ becoming again for all Creation in One Family.

Mary is our Earthly Sister from Baptism through immortality in the Immaculate Conception for Jesus Virgin Born in souls preexisting from Holy Spirit Family Powers conceived and alive living in the New Adam becoming from death through resurection for all through the Christ becoming brothers and sisters in all mankind through the New Eve.

Even the Earth was underwater one time at least 40 feet, Baptized in death for resurrection becoming for all creation the New Heaven and Earth, Heaven for all through both natures, spirit and life transformed becoming again in One Holy Glorified Transfigured Family Body.

Mary is our Spiritual Mother through the Christ from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven becoming Sons and Daughters of God in all becomig again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

OMNiLogically, faithfully, really truely, Mary is Our Sister through the flesh and Our Mother from the Holy Spirit through the Immaculate Conception and Mother of God, God of Transformation and God of Mercy though the Baptized New Eve and The Catholic Church for all.

The Literal Pen of Jesus Maria Valtorta rewrites the literal life through Jesus’ and The Family’s divine intervention, I believe.

And logically the teachings of Mary can tell us Mary is the Tree of Life in the Garden becoming from the fulfilled faith and mortality through the Mother in the Son from the Father through the Christ becoming again for all in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being a Family in all mankind.

The Tree of Knowledge is from Jesus, The Eternal Priestly Authority through the Tree of Life Mary becoming the Christ and is from the Tree of Knowledge uniting both trees, both natures, spirit and life becoming One Body through the Christ in The Host, The Body, Blood Soul and Divinity of The Holy Spirit Family One God in being for all mankind becoming again One Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen
From the The OMNiLogical Pen through The Christ for One Holy Spirit Family becoming again in all Creation One God in being.

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Yes, that is what Catholics believe, and Jesus’s words on the cross are key.

And as Cade pointed out and as the New Testament says in many places, we are called to be children of God. We call God our father, and Mary as mother is no more awesome. As a priest said in a sermon yesterday, we say the words of many prayers but often don’t think of their meaning, even when it is obviously stated.

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Peace to all,

From two trees in the old garden, we become through one tree in the new garden, OMNiLogically, I think.

Becoming From three gods through two natures for becoming one body becoming again one family one Holy Spirit, family one God in being

Powers, preexist, and Powers create and transform, through the logical formulas from the Wondrous Mysteries glorifying and transfiguring all becoming again One God,

We never argue with those that say there is only one God
Because they are correct one God from three powers and separately, Gods and personal beings, pre-existing and separately God’s in the powers and together one Holy Spirit family one God in being.

The Holy Spirit is logically to nature God becoming again and all One family.

No one logically can argue logically the Holy Spirit is the family of God and only faithfully can we argue the Holy Spirit is a person. And this leaves room for the third person that’s always been in the Family Trinity for Mary, Mother of God.

So true LiteralMan, logically understanding both nature’s fulfilled from the faith of Abraham are from the spirit for God Jesus, eternal Priestly authority through the flesh in the Immaculate Conception from God Mary becoming through the Christ in all again One Body One God One Family, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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This is a great point. I can’t imagine being a Parent and watching my child go through what Jesus was put through.

An acquaintance of mine during the George Floyd riots posted on social media that she was scared that her black sons would be “hunted down by Police and killed.” Yes, this was an irrational fear in response to an incident that had been politicized. I sent her a private message and said that I know that she is not Catholic, but Mary understands what it is like to see a child be tortured in the street by authorities and that she can Pray to Mary and ask her to Pray for her sons.

Please Pray for her youngest son. He was stupid and decided it would be a good idea to sell drugs and is not in jail for the next six years. When I las saw him, he was just a kind little boy. I wrote him in prison and told him that he may not remember me, but that I was Praying for him and suggested he get involved in a Bible study while serving his time. What is really sad is that he has a young daughter who probably misses her Daddy.

I also told him not to let his mistakes define who he is. Repent and let the past be in the past. Turn to The Lord, and He will make straight your paths" (Proverbs 3:5-6).

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