Since God is All-knowing–why would he bother to create mankind if he knew the majority of us would be eternally tortured in Hell? This is unloving and even evil.
Exactly my thoughts! If God is all-knowing, then he already knows who’s going to hell and who isn’t. So why does He create people that will spend an eternity being tortured? There really is too many questions when it comes to this religion, and too many things that makes zero sense.
I refuse to be a part of a religion that leaves some things a mystery. A benevolent God would never omit information, or not give you an answer to any question. I cannot be a part of a religion that leaves some things a mystery. This is our afterlife we’re talking about here, why not be 100% transparent?
Peace to all,
Rationally we all become Gods, OMNiLogically from the Faith of Abraham.
Logically Catholics believe in “Evolution” and The Family of The Holy Spirit becoming again and perhaps do not even know it, OMNiLogically.
Until the Holy See logically sees the Holy Spirit as The Family of God The Holy See will never faithfully see Mary as God preexisting in the Holy Family even before creation was ever created was even created proving the Father the Mother and The Son God from preexistence and all mankind becoming again Sons and Daughters of God in One Family.
Logically, Becoming again is from One Family spiritually becoming through the flesh for all becoming again in all One Family.
Both natures are “Evolved” logically, from the ever alive spirit manifesting through the created souls of all for the flesh becoming one immortal body from Holy Spirit Incorruption for two natures from the spirit through the created souls of all for the flesh becoming through death for resurrection in both natures fulfilled from spirit incorruption through flesh and bones immortality in One Body through the Christ becoming again in all One Family, I believe.
Evolution fulfilled is fulfilled creation in “change” loving only and loving with only the most love undefiled and unfailing through two natures in One Family forever.
Peace always,
Stephen
Well, and again, this goes back to the justice argument, that God is just. It’s not like you’re really doing anyone a favor by creating people who inevitably end up in Hell. Because, the law abiding citizens have to deal with that nonsense. Again, where is the justice? Catholics will shout “God doesn’t make trash!” But yet, God makes people who become criminals and make life on this planet that much harder! There’s nothing just about creating people who inevitably end up as a criminal, with some even being repeat offenders. It would be different if Catholics said something to the effect of “God is just when someone dies.” That seems a bit more accurate, but no, they say (and will defend) that God is just in general. Again, where is the justice for the victims? God didn’t have to create these people knowing they’d end up in hell anyways.
Something else that Catholics will say is “Well you can’t blame God for everything!” And my question always is “Then who creates these people? Because if it’s not God, then who do I need to complain to?” And of course, all they can say is “Well God creates people, but it’s not his fault if his Creation goes against what God expects of us.” But then, we circle back to my original argument, which is “If God is all-knowing, then he already knows that some of the people he creates is going to end up in hell. I have every right to blame God, because if God is the source of all that is good and pure, and God creates people KNOWINGLY knowing that they will end up in hell and do terrible and horrible things to other people, I have a right to call God out on his ignorance.” Because, honestly at the end of the day, that’s what it is, IGNORANCE! And it’s worse than just ignorance, it’s willful ignorance, which is 10x worse than just plain ignorance.
Something that I do not care for, when it comes to who’s in the right and who’s in the wrong, is when someone does something and is too wimpy to come forth and to tell you to your face that what they did was wrong. It’s called accountability, something that people don’t do anymore. It’s no different with your God. I don’t care how perfect your God may be, I don’t care if he created the very oxygen that I breathe in order to sustain my life, what your God does is wrong and there’s no excuse for being willfully ignorant.
You just really got to love, at the end of the day, the fact that we have to be law-abiding citizens and are expected to be civilized, but God can get away with anything all because He has the title of God? Is your God some celebrity, and that’s why he can get away with so much? And then you sit and you wonder why people leave this religion? You sit and wonder why Priests for decades were able to get away with sexually abusing little boys?
I’m sorry. Normally I don’t get so fired up over this particular religion, because I’m not a part of this religion anymore. But if there’s one thing I do not particularly care for is for anyone (not just God) but for anyone to not hold themselves accountable. If I do something wrong, I have no problem admitting that what I did was wrong. But if God kills innocent people, or God allows horrible, terrible, and nasty things to happen to people, He’s allowed to because He’s God? The truth of the matter is, the Catholic religion has holes in it. There’s holes in a Catholic’s innerstanding. There’s nothing worse than someone who never holds themself accountable for their actions. You might be the Creator of all things, but I don’t like the fact that I’m being treated as some lab rat where I have to share a planet with criminals, all because your God doesn’t want to admit that he’s responsible for creating criminals.
Make it make sense!
Peace to all,
I think the problem came from Adam and Eve, and we all would’ve done the same thing.
Become again the image of the “Chosen” Spirit from The Father.
Peace always,
Stephen
If I can’t understand it, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. There’s a lot I don’t understand in the Bible. God created people for perfection and knew they would mess up. Maybe He insisted on giving everybody a chance anyway. Maybe some of Jesus’s ancestors were wicked but God wanted Jesus to be born, so He let the family tree continue (Jesus was of the line of David, but He had lots of other ancestors). I don’t know all God’s reasons, but He revealed himself to us, and I believe His revelation. I could make up a religion I could understand completely, but it wouldn’t be true.
Peace to all,
To me logically, all mankind’s chance is becoming through the Christ for all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirt Family One God in being.
From The Father Failed all Creation becomes from Adam for Spirit incoruption through Eve in failed mortal flesh transformed through the New Eve Mary for Virgin Born Jesus in the New Adam becoming for all mankind from Spirit incorruption through immaculate imortal flesh in One Body through becoming The Christ in all mankind becoming for all mankind glorified and transfigured becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
This has been asked elsewhere on this forum. God does not send us to Hell. He allows us to choose Hell. There is a difference.
If only one soul chose to co-operate with God’s grace and be saved, that would be worth it.
If God created a world without free-will, this would not be love. If God allowed everyone into Heaven (good or bad, obedient or disobedient, etc.) then this would not be just.
God is both merciful and just. The fact that so many fell entitled that God should save them or everyone, make a god out of themselves. We are not God. This is the point. You are not God. I am not God. And anyone who believes they are like God, has eaten from the forbidden fruit and will surely die, but those who eat of the tree of life (Jesus Christ), can be saved. I do not tell you this to use fear to get you to buy into something, but simply speaking what is true, good & beautiful.
Would you say that you are a person of great empathy? And could this be the reason that you ask this question? Faith is trusting in God. Reason is trying to understand how and why God does what He does. Reason without Faith leads to a dark place.