Hi, so I have a few questions I have been struggling with, please don’T judge me and if you could be so kind as to help me answer them I’d really be grateful. So God is all knowing and when he was creating his creation, namely Adam and Eve, he must have known that they were going to sin, because he is all knowing and all powerful and timeless. My question is, why do I have to suffer because of what 2 people did thousands of years ago? I never asked to be born, and truthfully if I had been given a choice I don’t think I would ask to be born. Moreover I was born with the original sin, despite never having anything to do with it. Why are we born as sinners because of what Adam and Eve did thousands of years ago, when it was not our fault nor did we have anything to do with it? Also we know that God can erase the stain of original sin from someone’s creation during or before conception as he did with the Blessed Virgin, she was conceived without sin. But why doesn’t he do that to rest of the people ? Did Adam and Eve, who he knew would sin, anger him so much that he cursed all of us ? He knew that He would have to end up flooding the earth, and sending His one and only Son to die on the cross so that our sins could be forgiven and so much more, but why did he create us and Adam and Eve knowing all this from the beginning? And God being all-knowing and timeless he also knows who is going to end up in heaven and who is going to end up in hell and who is going to do what in their lifetime, whether they would do bad things and kill people and hurt others or not. So why is god wilfully creating these bad and evil people who will hurt others, serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, all of that, and why does god create people who he knows will end up in hell ? Why is he wilfully creating and allowing so much calamity and suffering, so much blood and carnage? Is blood what he wants from us ? For us to die and suffer, so that his will is done? Is death his only blessing? Does he create some people just so they can go to hell in the end ? Why did he create angels who He knew would not choose to be with him, and end up becoming demons that torture people ? Why did He allow the snake into the Garden of Eden in the first place and watched him deceive his children, all while knowing this would happen? Please help me with these questions because I’m about to lose my mind and my faith is breaking
Peace to all,
The Mind of God is to me, logically A jealous God Family Whom wants an Immortal Body and fulfilled Eternal Love and this is how The Family does it, OMNiLogically.
The Angel in the garden became the snake from the Image of The Father of Lies and he could tell all kinds of lies, and even tell a lie and the truth in the same line, “Surely you will never die?” The Truth is we will never die in the spirit but the lie is through flesh we through death and resurrection do die and become again through both natures from the Incorruptible Holy Spirit in the New Adam through the Immortal Life from The New Eve in The Immaculate Conception for the Virgin Birth of Jesus becoming the Christ for all becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
So true, Choice is free will becoming from The Fruit of The Tree of Knowledge and not even God knows if we will choose to love or to love not, OMNiLogically.
The angels knew of the becoming power of flesh in heaven and were told by God man will become greater than the angels in heaven and save the angels from “Fruits” of the Tree of Life and Knowledge in One Body now becoming though the Christ in all becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Adam and Eves Sin came from two trees in the garden, the fruit of life and the fruit of knowledge. Becoming to know love in failed creation separated them from the tree of life with failed spirit of choice becoming to love or not to love.
OMNiLogical Catholic Rebirth and Salvation is through the Christ, I believe.
A jealous God wants an Immortal Body and fulfilled Eternal Love and this is how The Family does it, OMNiLogically.
“The New Fruits” are “Rebirth” and is immortalization through the New Eve from Holy Spirit Incorruption in the New Adam becoming through The Christ for both natures from John 3:6 from the Bible states: "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit,"the spirit through the life in two fruits becomes “Salvation” from the incorruptible spirit through the immortal life in One Body now through the Christ for all we become loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again in all Creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
Peace be with you @sisternightingale
I am very sorry that you are being tormented by these questions. I am especially sorry if some particular evil has befallen you recently.
There is no easy answer I can offer to your questions; nothing that will make everything seem easy or clear. Even in the Book of Job, which is all about human suffering, there is little explanation given as to why Job is suffering. We are reminded, however, that we are not God. We do not know all that he knows (he who sees everything in a moment). His ways are inscrutable to us.
There are some responses that theologians have given to account for evil in the world. I will be sharing quite a bit with you. It may seem like a lot, but I do it in the hope that one of these responses will resonate with you.
One is that God has given us free will. If God were to make a world wherein we could only love him and not choose against him, it would seem that love would be forced and would not be true love. God has given us freedom, as C.S. Lewis put it, thinking that it was worth the risk.
A second argument is one offered by St. Augustine (among others): God allows evil only so that he may bring about a greater good. It is proof of God’s goodness and power that he brings good out of evil. The liturgy of Church speaks of the sin of our first parents as a felix culpa (happy fault) since we received the Redeemer in response.
Another consideration that I have found helpful is to think of life (individually and that of our race) as a great drama. At the end of a great story (such as Lord of the Rings), we can appreciate the role that evil played because of its place in the whole. It is hard to appreciate it in the middle of the story. It is only at the end, when the drama has been resolved, that it can be appreciated. We are characters in a great drama, in which evil has a part to play, and so do we. We become whom we were meant to be by participating in this drama, with its evil and all.
Finally, I must mention that God’s response to evil is ultimately found not in a syllogism, but in the person of Jesus Christ. God’s response to evil in our world is to dwell in our world and to suffer with (and for) us.
Please be assured of my prayers as you wrestle with God over the mystery of evil. May the birth of Christ be a source of light for you.
Thank you for your questions which I will provide answers for. But, first, I must disclose where the answers originate, and that is from Jesus, Mary, and an angel by the name of “Azariah” through Maria Valtorta, who was a Catholic mystic and visionary, a true “pen” of God. She received from Jesus visions of scenes from His life, which she described in-depth, as well as took dictation from Him and other heavenly persons over the course of several years. There is a wealth of proof in support of her writings having a supernatural origin, which you can review in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work.
I’ll answer this question by quoting Jesus and an angel by the name of “Azariah”. Below are excerpts:
[…] I tell you that in the angels, different from you in nature and perfection, there is free will, as in you. God has created nothing as a slave. At the origin there was only Order in the creation. But Order does not exclude freedom. Rather, in Order there is perfect freedom. Nor is there in Order fear—as a constraint—of an invasion, an intrusion, or the anarchy of other wills which may produce secret pacts and ruins penetrating into the orbit and trajectory of other beings or created things. The whole Universe was like that before Lucifer abused his freedom and by his own will introduced the disorder of passions into himself to create disorder in the Universe. If he had been entirely love, he would have had no room in himself for anything that was not love. He instead had room for pride, which might be termed 'the disorder of the intellect.’
Could God have impeded this event? He could have. But why violate the free will of the very handsome, intelligent archangel? Wouldn’t He, the Most Just, then have introduced disorder into His orderly Thought by no longer willing what He had previously willed—that is, the archangel’s freedom? God did not oppress the disturbed spirit by violently making it impossible for him to sin. His not sinning would then have lacked any merit. For us, too, it was necessary ‘to be able to will the Good’ in order to go on deserving to enjoy the vision of God, infinite Blessedness!
God, since He had wanted the sublime archangel to be at His side in the first operations of creation and wanted him to be aware of the future of the creation of love, so He wanted him to be aware of the adorable and painful necessity which his sin would impose upon God: the Incarnation and Death of a God to counterbalance the ruin of Sin which would be created if Lucifer did not overcome pride in himself .. Love could only speak this language. The first annihilation of God is in this act of wanting to induce the proud one gently—almost begging him, with the vision of what his pride would impose upon God—not to sin so as to lead others to sin.
It was an act of love. Lucifer, already turned into a devil, took it to be fear, weakness, and offense, a declaration of war; and he waged war against the Perfect One by saying,
‘You are? I, too, am. You made what You made through me. There is no God. And if there is a God, I am. I worship myself. I hate You. I refuse to recognize one who is unable to overcome me as my Lord. You should not have created me so perfect if you did not want rivals. Now I am and I am against You. Defeat me, if You can. But I do not fear You. I, too, will create, and because of me your Creation will tremble, for I will shake it like a bit of cloud seized by the winds because I hate You and want to destroy what is yours to create what will be mine over the ruins. I do not know or recognize any other power except myself. And I will no longer worship, I will no longer worship anyone but myself.’
Truly, in the Creation, in the whole Creation, down to the very depths, there was then a horrendous convulsion out of dread at the sacrilegious words. A convulsion the likes of which will not be seen at the end of the Creation. And from it there arose Hell, the realm of Hatred.
Soul of mine, do you understand how Evil arose? From free will—respected as such by God—of one who was not ‘entirely love.’ And believe that upon every sin committed since then there stands this judgment: ‘Here love does not exist entirely.’ Complete love forbids sinning. And without effort. Whoever loves does not labor to reach justice! Love takes him high above all mire and danger and purifies him minute by minute of the barely perceptible imperfections which are still present in the final degree of consummate holiness, in that state wherein the spirit is so advanced that it is truly a king, already united by spiritual marriage to its Lord; God gives and reveals Himself to such a point to his blessed son, who enjoys only a single degree less than what the life of the blessed in Heaven is.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. (Azariah, The Notebooks: 1945-1950)
When Lucifer’s sin upset the order of Paradise and swept the less faithful spirits into disorder, a great horror struck all, almost as if something had been lacerated, destroyed-—and without hope of seeing it rise again. In reality, that was so. The complete charity which alone had existed up above before had been destroyed, and it had collapsed into an abyss from which there emerged the stench of Hell.
The absolute charity of the angels had been destroyed, and Hatred had arisen. Bewildered, as it is possible to be in Heaven, we, the ones faithful to the Lord, wept over God’s pain and His indignation. We wept over the altered peace of Paradise, over the order violated, over the fragility of the spirits. We no longer felt sure about being flawless because we were made of pure spirit. Lucifer and those like him had proven to us that even the angel can sin and become a demon. We felt that pride—existing latently—might develop in us. We feared that no one, except for God, could resist it if Lucifer had yielded to it. We trembled at these dark forces which we had thought could not invade us—of whose existence, I might say, we had been ignorant—and which were brutally revealing themselves to us. Discouraged, we wondered, with throbs of light, ‘But is being so pure of no use, then? Who, then, can ever give God the love He demands and deserves if even we are subject to sinning?’
It was then that, uplifting our contemplation from the abyss and desolation to the Divinity and gazing fixedly at His Splendor, with a fear theretofore unknown, we contemplated the second Revelation of Eternal Thought. And if through the knowledge of the first there came Disorder, created by the proud, who did not want to adore the Divine Word, through knowledge of the second the peace which had been disturbed returned to us.
We saw Mary in the eternal Thought. Seeing Her and possessing that wisdom which is comfort, security, and peace was one and the same thing. We saluted our future Queen with the song of our Light and contemplated Her in gratuitous and voluntary perfections. Oh, the beauty of that moment in which, for the comfort of His angels, the Eternal presented to them the jewel of His Love and Power! And we saw Her so humble as to make up by Herself alone for all creaturely pride.
From then on She was our teacher in not turning gifts into an instrument of ruin. Not Her corporeal effigy, but Her spirituality spoke to us wordlessly, and we were preserved from every thought of pride by having contemplated for an instant, in the Thought of God, the Most Humble One. For ages and ages we worked in the sweetness of that radiant revelation. For ages and ages, through eternity, we have rejoiced and rejoice and shall rejoice in possessing Her whom we contemplated spiritually. The Joy of God is our joy, and we keep ourselves in His Light so as to be penetrated with it and to give joy and glory to Him who created us. (Azariah, The Book of Azariah)
Let us contemplate together our virtue as angels. What is it that makes us great? Our beauty? Our destiny? Our origin? No: our promptness in obedience at the sound of the words of God, at the flashing of his Most Holy Thought, for a flash of beatific light is the sound we perceive, not, indeed, the material voice of an uvula. And our light is lit with rejoicing on accepting that flash and further increases on carrying out its command. You know. If we did not obey, our light would go out, our beauty would cease, our destiny would change, and the origin would become our condemnation, as it was for Lucifer and the rebels. We, angels of the Lord, cannot boast of anything, not of beauty, destiny, or origin, for everything comes to us from God Most Holy. But on account of the creatures of the Creator who are men we can boast through service obedient to the Lord. (Azariah, The Book of Azariah)
Satan, with his demons, really aims to make a second ascent to Heaven. But, rebuffed by My archangel [Michael], he plunges to the earth to defeat God by way of the hearts of His children. For every soul that is lost is a defeat for God. And Satan easily succeeds because the hearts of men no longer have a spiritual flame. They no longer have the life of the spirit. They are a knot of sin in which the threefold lust which kills the spirit prospers. (Jesus, The Notebooks: 1943)
Lucifer, in his manifestations, has always sought to imitate God. Just as God has given every nation its protecting angel, Lucifer has given it its demon. But as the different angels of the Nations obey a single God, so the different demons of the nations obey a single Lucifer.
The order given by Lucifer in the present episode to the different demons is not different according to the country. It is a single order for all. By which one understands that the kingdom of Satan is not divided and thus endures.
This order may be enunciated as follows: 'Sow horror, despair, and errors so that the peoples will separate themselves from God, cursing Him’.
The demons obey and sow horror and despair, extinguish faith, strangle hope, and destroy charity. Over the ruins they sow hatred, lust, and atheism. They sow hell. And they succeed, for they find the ground already favorable.
My angels also fight to defend the country I have assigned to them. But My angels do not find favorable ground. Hence they are left in a losing position with respect to the enemies of hell. To win, My angels should be helped by souls living in and for Good. Living in Me. They find some. But there are too few in comparison to those that do not believe, do not love, do not forgive, and are unable to suffer.
It is appropriate to repeat, 'Satan has asked to sift you’. And from the sifting it turns out that corruption is as in the times of the flood, aggravated by the fact that you have had the Christ and His Church, whereas in the times of Noah that was not the case.
I previously stated and repeat, 'This is a struggle between Heaven and hell’. You are nothing but a deceitful screen. Behind your ranks angels and demons battle. Behind your pretexts lies the true reason: Satan’s battle against Christ.
This is one of the first selections of humanity, which is approaching its final hour, to separate the harvest of the elect from the harvest of the reprobate. But, unfortunately, the harvest of the elect is small in comparison to the other.
When Christ comes to defeat the perpetual adversary in his Prophet, He will find few marked, in their spirits, by the Cross." (Jesus, The Notebooks: 1943)
I’ll answer this question by quoting Jesus. Below are excerpts:
It is said in Genesis that the Serpent tempted Eve when the Lord was not walking in Eden. If God had been in Eden, Satan could not have been there. If Eve had invoked God, Satan would have fled. Always have that thought in your hearts. And call the Lord with sincerity. That Name is salvation. (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 1)
If she (Eve) had called to God! If she had hurried to Him saying: “Father! The Serpent has caressed me and I am upset.” The Father would have purified and healed her with His breath, which could have infused new innocence into her as it had infused life. And it would have made her forget the snake’s poison, nay it would have engendered in her a disgust for the Serpent, as it happens in those who bear an instinctive dislike for diseases of which they have just been cured. But Eve does not go to the Father. Eve goes back to the Serpent. The sensation is a sweet one for her. “Seeing that the fruit of the tree was good to eat and pleasing and agreeable to the eye, she took it and ate it.”
And “she understood”. Now Malice was inside her and was gnawing at her intestines. She saw with new eyes and heard with new ears the habits and voices of beasts. And she craved for them with insane greed.
She began the sin by herself. She accomplished it with her companion. That is why a heavier sentence is laid on woman. Because of her, man has become rebellious towards God and has become acquainted with lewdness and death. Because of her, he was no longer capable of dominating his three reigns: the reign of the spirit, because he allowed the spirit to disobey God; the moral reign, because he allowed passions to master him; the reign of the flesh, because he lowered it down to the instinctive level of beasts. “The Serpent seduced me” says Eve. “The woman offered me the fruit and I ate of it” says Adam. And the triple greed has ruled the three dominions since then.
Only Grace can relax the hold of this ruthless monster. And if Grace is alive, nay thoroughly alive, and kept more and more alive by the good will of a faithful son, it will succeed in strangling the monster and will no longer have anything to fear. It will not be afraid of internal tyrants, which are the flesh and passions; neither will it be afraid of external tyrants, these are the world and the mighty ones on the earth. It will dread neither persecutions nor death. It is as Paul the Apostle says: "I fear none of these things, neither do I care for my life more than I care for myself, provided I carry out the mission and the ministry the Lord Jesus gave me, and that was to bear witness to the Good News of God’s Grace. (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 1)
First, God did not erase the stain of original sin from Mary’s soul, because that implies Her soul was stained with original sin at one point, but it wasn’t. Rather, Mary’s soul was preserved from inheriting the stain of original sin, because She was to be the Virgin Mother of God. But, of Her own free will, She did not wish to violate Her purity, bodily and spiritually, not even with one thought remotely connected with sin. She knew that sin exists. She saw its various and horrible forms and implications. She saw them all, including the most hideous one: deicide. But She knew them solely to expiate them and to be, forever, the Woman who has mercy on sinners and prays for their redemption.
And, below is a quote from Jesus about original sin:
Ages have gone by since God judged Lucifer and Adam. But the voice of the judgement has not gone out. And its consequences still last. And if I have come to bring back Grace to men, through the perfect Sacrifice, the sentence on Adam’s action remains what it is, and it will always be called “Original sin.” Men will be redeemed, they will be washed with a purification exceeding every other one, but they will be born with that stain, because God has decided that that stain is to be in every man born of woman, with the exception of Him, Who was made not by deed of man, but by the Holy Spirit, and with the exception of the Preserved Woman (Mary) and the Presanctified Man (John the Baptist), virgins forever. The Former, that She might be the Virgin Mother of God, the latter that he might be the precursor of the Innocent, being born already pure, through a pre-fruition of the infinite merits of the Saviour Redeemer. (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 3)
Below are excerpts of quotes from Jesus and Mary about original sin and suffering:
At bottom, what was original sin? An act of disobedience. Adam and Eve wanted to disobey the Father Creator, instigated to perform this act of lovelessness by the supreme Disobedient One, who became a demon by having refused loving obedience to the Supreme God. This poison lies hidden in your blood, and only a constant will on your part makes it unable to harm your spirit mortally.
"But, O my children, what act more meritorious than this can be performed by you? Look carefully.
"It is even easier to carry out a sacrifice, make an offering, or practice a work of mercy than to be obedient constantly to the will of God. This presents itself to you minute by minute like water flowing and passing by, bringing other waves of water and, behind these, still others. And you are like fish immersed in the Will of God flowing over you. If you want to emerge from it, you die, my children. It is your vital element. Nor is there a drop of it which does not Proceed from a loving purpose. Believe this. All books about Maria Valtorta ,NOTEBOOK 43, 44, 45-50 pdf : Maria Valtorta : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
[…] nothing impure emerges from Creative Thought. Original sin is in man and in the children of man, not in God. Not in the being created by God, then, but on becoming incarnated in the man conceived by man the soul contracts the inheritance connected with the descendants of Adam, except in the case of an exceptional, singular decision by God. (The Notebooks: 1945-1950) All books about Maria Valtorta ,NOTEBOOK 43, 44, 45-50 pdf : Maria Valtorta : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
« […] in every spiritual or physical disease there is the claw of Satan who creates physical diseases to drive people to rebellion and desperation through the pains of the flesh, and he creates moral or spiritual diseases to lead souls to damnation. »
« Through him (Satan) disease and death entered the world. And crime and corruption also entered the world through him. When you see anyone tortured by misfortune, you can be sure that he suffers on account of Satan. When you see one who is the cause of misfortune, you may conclude that he is an instrument of Satan. »
« Illness is a disorder in the order. Because God created man wholesome and perfect. The disorder caused by Satan in the order given by God, has brought with it the illness of the flesh and its consequences, that is, death or sorrowful heredity. Man inherited from Adam and Eve the original sin. But not only that. And the stain has expanded wider and wider embracing the three branches of man: the flesh more and more vicious and consequently weak and diseased, the morals prouder and prouder and thus corrupted, the spirit more and more skeptical and thus more and more idolatrous. That is why it is necessary […] to teach the Name that puts Satan to flight, engraving It on minds and hearts, placing It on one’s ego as a seal of ownership. » (Jesus, The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 1)
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While God knows in advance whether each person will be a future inhabitant of Heaven or Hell, that person does not, nor does He tell them in any way, and they reach Heaven or Hell of their own free will. I’ll also answer this question by quoting Jesus as well. Below is an excerpt:
All men are predestined to grace, because Jesus died for all men without exception.
Those who remain faithful at least to the natural law of the Good are predestined to glory. At the end of time, yes, everyone who has lived as a just person will have their reward.
From eternity God has known those who were destined to glory, even before they were born, that is “predestined”. Be careful however to understand the justice of God with justice .
It is certain that there are predestined people. And God knows them before their time to live begins. But they are not so because God has given them every means of becoming glorious and blocked all dangers of the devil, the world and the flesh. That would clearly be unjust. God gives them what He has given everybody. They use God’s gifts with justice, and therefore win future and eternal glory through their own free will .
God knows that they will reach this eternal glory. However, they do not know it, nor does God tell them in any way. The special gifts themselves are not a sure sign of glory; they are a more severe means to test a person’s spirit in their will, virtue, and faithfulness to God and His Law. God knows. He is happy to know in advance that a particular creature will achieve glory just as He suffers knowing that another will freely achieve damnation.
However, He does not intervene in any way to force the free will of any creature in order for it to reach the place where God wants everyone to reach; Heaven. Of course a creature’s response to divine help increases its will power. God opens up the more a man loves Him in truth; the love of actions, not that of words.
And again, the more man lives a just life, the more God communicates with him and shows Himself to him. It’s a foretaste of that knowing God that makes the saints in Heaven so happy. From this foretaste comes an increased capacity to want to be more perfect. However, man is always free to follow his own will and if after reaching perfection decides to renounce the good done and sell himself to Evil, God leaves him free to do so. There would be no merit if one is forced to do something.
To conclude: God knows from eternity who are the future eternal inhabitants of Heaven, but man with his free will must want to reach Heaven using the supernatural help that the Eternal Father gives every creature. It will be like this until one’s last breath, whatever the gifts received or the level of perfection reached.
Remember nobody has ever arrived until their journey is finished . That is, no one can be sure to have merited glory until their time is over and immortality begins. (The Little Notebooks)
I’ll address this by quoting Jesus. Below is an excerpt:
God desired to put a king in the universe that He had created out of nothing. A king, who by the nature of matter should be the first amongst all the creatures created with matter and endowed with matter. A king, who by nature of the spirit should be little less than divine, united to Grace as he was in his first innocent day. But the Supreme Mind, to Whom all the most remote events in centuries are known, incessantly sees what was, is and will be; and while It contemplates the past, and observes the present, It penetrates deeply with Its foresight into the most distant future and knows in every detail how the last man will die. Without confusion or discontinuity the Supreme Mind has always known that the king created to be demigod at Its side in Heaven, heir of the Father, would arrive adult in His Kingdom, after living in the house of his mother—the earth, with which he was made—during his childhood, as child of the Eternal Father for his day on earth. The Supreme Mind has always known that man would have committed against himself the crime of killing Grace in himself and the theft of robbing himself of Heaven.
Why then did He create him? Certainly many ask themselves why. Would you have preferred not to exist? Does this day not deserve, in itself, to be lived, although so poor and bare, and rendered harsh by your wickedness, so that you may know and admire the infinite Beauty that the hand of God has sown in the universe?
For whom would He have created the stars and planets that fly like thunderbolts and arrows, furrowing the vault of Heaven, or dash majestically in their rush of meteors, and yet seem slow, presenting you with light and seasons, eternally immutable and yet always mutable. They give you a new page to read on the sky, every evening, every month, every year, as if they wished to say: “Forget your restriction, forsake your printed matter which is full of obscure, putrid, dirty, poisonous, false, swearing, corrupting material and rise, at least with your eyes, to the unlimited freedom of the firmament, make your souls bright looking at so clear a sky. Build up a supply of light to take to your dark prison. Read the word that we write singing our sidereal chorus, which is more harmonious than the one drawn from a cathedral organ. The word that we write while shining, the word that we write while loving, because we always bear in mind Him Who gave us the joy of existing. And we love Him for giving us our existence, our brightness, our movement, our freedom, our beauty in the midst of the gentle azure, beyond which we can see an even more sublime blue: Paradise. And we fulfill the second part of His commandment of love, by loving you, our universal neighbours, loving you by giving you guidance and light, warmth and beauty. Read the word we say, the one on which we modulate our singing, our brightness, our smile: God!”
For whom would He have made the blue sea, the mirror of the sky, the way to the land, the smile of waters, the voice of waves? The sea itself is a word that with the rustling of silk, with the smiles of happy girls, with the sighs of old people who remember and weep, with the clamour of violence, with clashes and roars always speaks and says: “God”. The sea is for you, as the sky and the stars are. And with the sea, the lakes and the rivers, the ponds and the streams, the pure springs, all of which serve to nourish you, to quench your thirst, to clean you: and they serve you serving their Creator, without submerging you, as you deserve.
For whom would He have made the countless families of animals, the beautifully coloured birds, that fly singing, and other animals that like servants, run, work, nourish you and succour you, their kings?
For whom would He have created the countless families of plants and flowers that look like butterflies, like gems and motionless birds, and the families of fruits that are like jewels or jewels cases and are a carpet for your feet and the trees that form shelters for your heads, a welcome relaxation and joy to your minds, your limbs, your sight and smell?
For whom would He have made the minerals in the bowels of the earth and the salts dissolved in cold and boiling springs, the iodines and the bromines, unless one should enjoy them, one who was not God, but the son of God? One: man.
The joy of God lacked nothing: God had no need. He is sufficient in Himself. He has only to contemplate Himself to rejoice, to nourish Himself, to live, to rest. The whole creation has not increased by one atom His infinite joy, beauty, life, power. He made everything for the creature that He wanted to place as king in the work made by Him: that creature is man.
It is worth while living to see such a work of God and to be grateful to His power that gives you the opportunity. And you must be grateful to be alive. You should have been grateful even if you had to wait till Doomsday to be redeemed, because you have been prevaricators, proud, lascivious and murderers in your First Parents and you are still so individually. Yet God allows you to enjoy the beauty of the universe, the goodness of the universe: and He treats you as if you were good children, who are taught and granted everything so that their lives might be happier and more pleasant. What you know, you know by the light of God. What you discover, you discover through the guidance of God. In Goodness. Other knowledge and discoveries that bear the mark of evil, come from the Supreme Evil: Satan.
The Supreme Mind, that knows everything, before man existed, knew that man would be a thief and self murderer. And as the Eternal Goodness has no limits in being good, before Guilt existed, He thought of the means to obliterate Guilt.
The means: I, the Word. The instrument to render the means an efficient instrument: Mary. And the Virgin was created in the sublime mind of God.
Everything was created for Me, beloved Son of the Father. I-King should have had under My Divine Royal Feet carpets and jewels such as no royal palace had, and songs and voices and servants and ministers around Me as no sovereign ever possessed, and flowers and gems, all the sublime, the greatness, the kindness that may derive from the thought of a God.
But I was to be Flesh as well as Spirit. Flesh to save the flesh. Flesh to sublime the flesh, taking it to Heaven many centuries before its time. Because the flesh inhabited by the spirit is God’s masterpiece and Heaven had already been made for it. In order to become flesh I needed a Mother. To be God it was necessary that the Father was God. (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 1)
I’ll edit in more quotes that address your questions.
Sisternightingale, I have wondered about these things myself. If I had been God and seen the serpent entering Eden, I would have killed the serpent with a stick. If I could have seen my future and known that someday some of my children would be insulting me, accusing me, and cursing me, I would not have had children.
God could see what was coming and went ahead with creating the human race and giving us free will anyway. He also knew He had a plan to redeem us.
I still don’t understand why evil and suffering are permitted and why God didn’t nip them in the bud. But I do believe that the Bible, the story of God’s relationship with us, is true, and I believe in right and wrong, so I have faith that God is in charge and will bring good out of the mess.
Canadian Priest’s answers are good.
Father Richard Simon, writing as Rev. Know-It-All, wrote an answer to someone who asked a similar question; here is part of his answer:
“We believe that death and sickness entered the world because of the sin of Adam and Eve.
“This simple answer doesn’t help at all, does it! It just brings up two more questions. First of all, why do I suffer for the sin of two ancient people, if they existed at all? Second, if God is all powerful and all loving, couldn’t He just wave His almighty hand and make life better? These are two really good points. It’s easy to say that God doesn’t will sickness and suffering, but if He is all powerful, then He at least allows bad things to happen. If we are correct about God, then it is fair to say that nothing in all the universe happens, except with His permission. So, isn’t it fair to say that He is to blame for everything from the Holocaust down to the common cold? Why not blame Adam and Eve or some other poor cave men for the current mess, or for my personal suffering?
“… we Catholics agree that God can do whatever He pleases and that the beauty and order of the Universe are what He pleased. Creation itself is an outflowing and mirror of God’s perfection, imperfect though [the universe] is. God is not arbitrary … Physical, natural, and moral law flow from God’s very nature. … God does not contradict His own nature.…
“How can He be all-caring, all-powerful, all-knowing, and I’m still a mess? My answer, which I hope is the Catholic answer, would be a question: Have you looked at a crucifix lately?
“… when He rose He still had the nail marks in His hands and the wound in His side. He carried the Cross with Him even in the Resurrection.…
“We want life to be easy. God wants life to be beautiful. We want God to do things for us. God wants to make us His children, sharing His nature. And what is His nature? Love. Real Love. Sacrificial Love, not just sentiment. … God is love, and love is the goal, but remember that love is defined by the cross.…
“All of us get sick and all of us die. It is the inheritance that we receive from our first parents. In the first garden, they were offered a gift of love, sacrificial love, and all they had to do was sacrifice the fruit of a tree. They could not trust God even that far. Our inheritance is not just their failure, it is the question they were asked by God and that God still asks of every human being, “Will you trust Me?” Jesus was asked the same question in a different garden, Gethsemane by name. “Will you trust Me?” asked His heavenly Father. He answered, “Father, not as I will, but as You will.” He took what had been stolen from that other tree and placed it back on the Cross, the tree of life, and so by His complete trust he gave love back to the world.”
Welcome to the forum! Glad you are here. These are good questions that human beings have been wrestling with since the existence of mankind.
Indeed. How God sees, none of us truly knows. We can only speculate. I like to think of it like an opening scene of a suspense movie. You and I see from a first-person camera angle. If we are driving down a road, through a heavily wooded area and there is a semi-truck driver a mile down the road who is getting a little sleepy and not staying within the lines, we are unaware of what is ahead. God can sees all camera angles. He can see what is ahead and behind, whereas we cannot. Analogies always fall short, especially when it comes to trying to understand God.
I understand why you feel a sense of injustice here. It is like how some try to hold descendants of slave owners responsible for how their ancestors were treated. I don’t know that my ancestors owned slaves, but if they did, I did not do that. I believe slavery is wrong.
Life is a gift:
- Rejoice (even when it is difficult) in the good times and in the bad (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18; Philippians 4:4).
- Suffering builds endurance, character, and hope (Romans 5:3-5; James 1:2).
- “A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed (or depressed) spirit dries up the bones” (Proverbs 17:22).
- God promises to be with His faithful through their trials (Hebrews 13:5).
- Christ’s suffering gives our suffering meaning (research redemptive suffering to learn more).
Jesus (who is least deserving of suffering) did so to right the wrongs of Adam and to free us from original sin. Where Adam (and Eve) disobeyed God and brought sin and death into this world, Christ (through Mary) brought redemption and new life into our world.
Mary is a sign for the promises to the church. When we are born anew (through the waters of Baptism, we too are made free of original sin. And just as Mary was assumed into Heaven at the end of her life, we too have hope that we may be assumed into Heaven at the end of our lives or at the end of time (whichever comes first).
God blessed Adam & Eve with everything short of making them gods. All they had to do was obey this one rule, which was ultimately this: God is God and we are not. The serpent came along and convinced them that they could become gods, but all they have to do is commit the very act that God forbid (because He loved them).
As a parent, we teach our children that there are consequences to their actions. And when they do something in disobedience, it is out of love that we administer the consequences, for their good. I hope this makes sense.
What you struggle with is what is known as The Problem of Evil and The Problem of Suffering. This is why Neil deGrasse Tyson not only does not believe in God, but why he mocks God (who he claims does not exist).
What could God do that would satisfy Neil’s view of God? I am sensing that God cannot win from Neil’s perspective. If God did not gift us free-will, then he would still say that God is not love, because God did not give us a choice. If God does not allow individuals who might choose evil over God to be born, then he would say that God is evil for not giving someone the opportunity to choose good.
God doesn’t willfully cause suffering, bloodshed, nor carnage. Though it is God’s permissive will, it is not His active will.
Blood is what Christ gave for us, so that we might live. I know this is “a stumbling block” for many (1 Corinthians 1:23).
His will is that you might recognize His love for you. His will (like any loving father) is that His children will turn to Him in their time of hopelessness. His will is that we might choose to do good and reject that which is evil (not of God).
No, as I stated above, life is a blessing. Death is a part of life. In a spiritual sense, it is good to die to selfish desires and foolishness, and it is foolish to embrace spiritual death.
Verse 25 of 1 Corinthians 1 says, “For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.”
Scripture is not saying that God is foolish nor is it saying that God is weak, but rather illustrating how human beings who wrongly believe they are wiser than God are foolish and individuals who wrongly believe they are stronger than God are weak.
No, some people choose Hell.
Catholic Christians do not believe in double predestination. That is more of a theology of the Calvinists.
I have to be honest, I have not really studied angels & demons enough to form an opinion on the topic. I do have a book by Dr. Scott Hahn titled, “Angels & Saints: A Biblical Guide to Friendship with God’s Holy Ones,” but it does not touch on fallen angels and demons.
The serpent tempts. Like the serpent, the world deceives many into believing they can be like gods. The moral of the story is that we are not God. God is God.
Did Adam & Eve know that the serpent was the devil? I don’t know that they did. We’ve heard it said that the biggest lie the devil has ever told, was convincing others that he doesn’t exist.
The other lies he tells is that God isn’t good, is holding back, or that He doesn’t care.
And lastly, the lie that the devil convinces sinners of is that they are unforgivable.
Do not lose faith; have hope, knowing that God is good, Christ gave His everything so that you might live, and you are worthy of His grace. Give thanks to God in the good times and in the bad. Don’t be a Neil deGrasse Tyson. He seems miserable; and though he may be wise and strong in his own understanding (Proverbs 3:7) , in reality, God is wiser. God is stronger.
“Do not be conquered by evil but conquer evil with good.” — Romans 12:21
“Draw near to God and He will draw near to you…” — James 4:8
Peace to all,
So true, Cade_One, I believe.
And sometimes some may ask? Where is Stephen? We need OMNiLogic, I believe?
The Supreme Mind, that knows everything, before man existed, knew that man would be a thief and self murderer. And as the Eternal Goodness has no limits in being good, before Guilt existed, He thought of the means to obliterate Guilt.
The means: I, the Word. The instrument to render the means an efficient instrument: Mary. And the Virgin was created in the sublime mind of God.
Everything was created for Me, beloved Son of the Father. I-King should have had under My Divine Royal Feet carpets and jewels such as no royal palace had, and songs and voices and servants and ministers around Me as no sovereign ever possessed, and flowers and gems, all the sublime, the greatness, the kindness that may derive from the thought of a God.
But I was to be Flesh as well as Spirit. Flesh to save the flesh. Flesh to sublime the flesh, taking it to Heaven many centuries before its time. Because the flesh inhabited by the spirit is God’s masterpiece and Heaven had already been made for it. In order to become flesh I needed a Mother. To be God it was necessary that the Father was God. (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 1 )
And with New OMNiLogical Eyes, all can now see God, The Holy Family One God in being, I believe.
To me, rationally, verified faithfully, from the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries in the Catholic Faith, Becoming again is from the Garden of Eden through two fruit trees with mortal earthly eternal life and no true freedom of love, The Tree Life and The Tree of Knowledge become One Body through Incorruptible Holy Spirit Power from Immaculate immortal flesh becoming the Two Nature One Body of Christ from the Power of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being through undefiled logical intelligence conceived through the flesh from the spirit both trees Knowledge from Holy Spirit Incorruption through Eternal Priestly Authority, Jesus in the New Adam through Immortal Life from The Immaculate Conception in the New Eve for Jesus And Mary becoming in spiritual marriage at Cana in the Virgin Born becoming of The Christ in all mankind becoming again for all through two natures becoming One Body through the Christ becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.
The “New Fruit” is The Host, The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Holy Family conceived through The Baptized Transformed Flesh from Holy Spirit Incorruption becoming the Christ for all from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven in hearing the Words of Absolution from Confession becoming in Communion with The Holy Family re-Sanctified and Confirmed in the Will of The Father for all becoming undefiled loving only and loving unfailingly with only the most love in all becoming glorified and transfigured becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.
In order to become flesh I needed a Mother. To be God it was necessary that the Father was God. (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 1 )
And a special thanks to Brother Soul for the introduction of Maria Valtorta to all from Soul.
Peace always,
Stephen
Wow, what wonderful questions. Questions that most people who are Catholic don’t truly know how to answer. And that’s ok, cause sometimes the answer is “I don’t know” even though, I’m pretty sure, at least in the Catholic Hierarchy, that they know the answer, but due to reasons that we will never quite innerstand, they may/may not be hiding the answers to these basic questions.
Before I give you my answers, a few things to keep in mind: 1.) Trust no one. Do not go off and blindly trust anyone! I don’t care if they have a degree in Theology, I don’t care if they are someone like me, I don’t care who it is, do NOT trust anyone unless they give you a reason that they can be trusted!
2.) Use your divine gifts of intuition and discernment. Everyone has these gifts, because these gifts come with your spirit. When you read all of these answers, use your intuition and discernment. If something sounds off to you, then don’t believe it. If you know how to read between the lines (which is an actual skill, cause most people don’t know how to actually do that) then getting to the truth or “heart” of the matter will be easier on you. Even when you read my response, don’t just take what I say to heart. Instead be the jury in a courtroom. Using your divine gifts of discernment and intuition, try to find the truth, cause the truth is there, you just have to know where to look.
Ok, so now I will give you my answers. Something you need to remember too is, I was once Catholic, but I am Catholic no more. So keep that in mind too when you read my responses.
Alright so let’s start:
So, in response to your first question, who said you have to suffer all because our ancient ancestors did something that we consider bad? (I personally don’t consider it bad, but that’s a whole other ballgame that I’d rather not get into right now). It has been my experience that Catholicism looks up to people who suffer. Why? I really don’t know. Seems very backwards to me, why would anyone praise suffering? When a family member of mine suffers, it actually kills me inside. I hate seeing anyone suffer, and to be honest with you, having anyone in this life suffer is NOT ok! Some people know how to take suffering and transmute it into something creative or beautiful, but there are some people who don’t know how to do that, and they think that suffering is a good thing cause it means you’re experiencing what Jesus experienced on the cross, so they live the rest of their lives miserably, all because they’ve bought into this notion that, yeah life might be miserable, but at least near the end of my life I’ll be with Jesus. Life was made to be lived, not made to suffer. Jesus did not come down here to tell everyone that everyone should suffer so they can make it into Heaven. Jesus’s message is really one of self-empowerment more than anything.
So, if you don’t want to suffer because of what 2 people did Milleniums ago, than….don’t. We are not responsible for the sins of our ancestors. That was many many MANY years ago, we’re past that. The only person you need to worry about is yourself, because what someone else chooses to do is none of your concern. The one thing that is impossible to do is to force someone to do something they don’t want to do. Both good and evil forces have to abide by the law of Free Will. Yes, evil can manipulate, twist things, give you half-truths, etc… to get you to allow certain things to happen, but the reality of the situation is, you don’t have to allow evil EVER into your life. And, part of that is knowing how this reality works, cause when you learn how this reality actually works, you can manipulate the energy around you to be in your favor. I’m not saying to do something bad, but there are certain ways to “hack” this reality to where you don’t have to deal with a lot of evil. I deal with very little evil in my own life, but that’s because I know how to hack reality to where I’m not an energetic match to other people’s insecurities. It’s really quite freeing when you think about it.
And one more thing, before you incarnated down here, you actually did have a choice. You didn’t have to incarnate on Earth, but yet, you chose to. Yes, when you’re a spirit, you still have Free Will. The only way Free Will goes away is if you willingly choose to give it away. Believe me, if you’re down here, it’s because you chose to be down here. You probably don’t remember it, but you chose to be down here.
You were not born with original sin. When you were a baby, you did not carry a gun with you and start shooting people left and right. In fact, when you were born, you didn’t even have a concept of what a gun was. You were innocent. This idea that we are born with original sin is a man-made construct. Even The Bible was man-made, cause God didn’t write it, man did. You’re not born sinful….and anyone who says you were born sinful is not telling you the truth, because God doesn’t create anything with a sinful nature, God can only create good things. It’s huemanity that decides what path they want to take, the path of evil or the path of good. It’s really quite that simple, but God NEVER creates anything that is sinful, period.
And, again, what Adam and Eve did years ago is not our fault. They chose their path, and we choose ours. We are not responsible nor are we at fault because of what those 2 people decided to do years ago. God doesn’t do the “guilt by association” thing. Policeman might do that, but God doesn’t. God loves you for exactly who you are, even if you are a criminal. He couldn’t hate, cause hate isn’t loving. Anything that is loving is what God is. So, don’t let what these 2 people did years ago dictate how you live your life. You are part of a new generation, you are considered evolutionarily better than your ancestors, since each generation improves upon the previous ones.
Cause the God of the Old Testament is not a loving God. I don’t care how many excuses you make for this vile being. In fact, that God is a jealous and trickster God. In other words, the God of the Old Testament is a farce. A fraudulent being. Cause the real God exists in the Realm of Light and He is called “The One.” Anyone with even half a mind, can read the Old Testament and conclude that, unless you do what God says, you’re going to get punished, and sometimes that punishment is death. A loving God does not display what the God in the Old Testament displays. If anything, a loving God displays what Jesus displays in the New Testament. So, not sure where Jesus came from, but it’s not the God of the Old Testament, that’s for sure. All you have to do is read the Old and New Testament and you can figure this out yourself, it’s really not that hard.
No, because again, God doesn’t do the whole guilt by association. Yes, they may have been our ancestors, but we don’t have to suffer because of what they did. Unfortunately most people on this planet truly believe, that because of what Adam and Eve did, that now we’re basically born with a fallen nature, so unfortunately, a lot of people have bought into that mindset. But, you don’t have to suffer because of what they done….yes your religion might say otherwise, but the truth is, you have the power of choice, so you can choose to believe this pathetic non-sense that we are somehow cursed because of 2 people we’ve never actually met, or you can choose to make the most of your time here instead of dwelling on how bad of a person you are all because of what 2 people did years ago. Sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes people choose to suffer on this planet and it’s sad honestly.
Because He doesn’t do that. God creates only good things, it’s the individual that chooses to go against God’s design. Therefore, God isn’t all-knowing, because if he was, he wouldn’t have made people whom he knew would do bad things. God’s smart, and we really don’t give Him enough credit.
In other words, it’s very simple. Either God is all-knowing and allows evil to just get away with everything (which is NOT a sign of a benevolent and loving God), or God isn’t all-knowing and creates good things, but because his Creation has Free Will, can choose to go against God. By simple observation, God isn’t all-knowing. It’s really that simple.
Good question…what kind of loving God does that? That doesn’t sound like love to me. Does that sound like love to you? God isn’t stupid, so why would he waste his precious time creating bad people knowing way in advance that they’d go to Hell. It doesn’t make sense does it? Which is why, I go back to my original argument, that like it or not, God is not all-knowing, because if He was truly all-knowing, and if he was truly benevolent and the Source of all that is Good, then he would never create someone just for that creations destination to go to Hell. It’s the same argument for a just God. Every single day, someone is getting murdered, raped, stolen from, etc… and whose the just one? Well I don’t see God being the one divvying out justice, usually huemans are the ones who divvy out justice. So, based on observation and trying to see everything for what they really are, we can conclude that God is not just. Hueman beings are just, but justice is not a trait of God. Again, this is something anyone can observe, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to make heads or tails of this. It’s simply how things are run in our reality.
He isn’t though…that’s a farce. He NEVER creates anything bad, it’s the creation itself that chooses to be bad, but God never EVER creates bad people, period!
Is blood what he wants from us? Well…when you look at the History of the Catholic Church, there was quite a lot of bloodshed being done in the name of religion isn’t there? But, very rarely will you hear this on a Sunday morning sermon. In a way, Catholic History tends to speak for itself.
Makes you wonder why are people dying for God? Would a loving God want to see a lot of people die for Him? Hmmmmm…..something’s a little off about this, isn’t it?
All very good questions, and the answers we get do not do any of this justice. Just more evidence that God is not just. Again, these are just observations. Part of my belief system is sometimes you can get your answers by just simple observation. Not every truth is this convoluted puzzle you have to solve. Some ways of finding out the truth can be done by just simple observation. Like, take Issac Newton for example, “What goes up must come down.” All you have to do is throw something in the air and it eventually will go back down. Observation is sometimes good enough.
I agree….being a Catholic sometimes is mind game city. “God is so good! He’s just, but he’s so merciful!” And, when someone said that, my mind immediately was like “Ok…so we have 2 very conflicting ideas being presented here. God is just but he is also merciful. Well, if God is just, it means that anything bad that someone does, that there is a punishment for whatever crime (or in this case, sin) that is committed. But if God is merciful, then that means that He can easily forgive someone for any bad that they did. So we have 2 opposing ideas here that are very night and day. Either he’s just, or he’s merciful, but he can’t be both, cause the 2 ideas cancel eachother out and we’re left with nothing. He can’t be both, he can be one or the other, but he can’t be both, otherwise Gods just constantly contradicting Himself and is getting nowhere, and God is more intelligent than any of us, and he wouldn’t waste his time contradicting himself.
I mean, sorry but some of these ideas is like being on a hamster wheel. You’re just going to keep spinning that wheel till you go nuts, cause nothing makes logical sense, and God is all about making sense.
Peace to all,
Logically, from the Mind of God both natures become again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
From the tree of knowledge creates the choice to love or not to love causing loss of the tree of Life only to be fulfilled through The Christ in both natures in One Garden, the New Heaven and Earth, both fruits, spirit tree and life trees becoming in One Body of Christ becoming again in all One God, Heaven fulfilled, Heaven for all becoming in One Family One God in being. Becoming again in all creation fulfilled is from the Holy Spirit through the created souls of all for the created flesh to be able to become from death through resurrection in two natures from the spirit through the life becoming again in all through the Christ loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again for all creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe, OMNiLogically.
Peace always,
Stephen
Well congratulations, because I said “most” Catholic’s, not “all” Catholics. So congratulations on being the outlier in this situation.
And since you said you have more information to share, then share it! The more information this person can get on this subject, the more informed of an opinion he/she will have.
He speaks to all of us all of the time. He speaks to me a lot. It’s how I know what I know.
I’m sure he/she’ll be looking forward to it.
God speaks to everyone differently. He speaks to me through my Spirit and through symbols. And sometimes through emotions. He just uses a different medium to speak to Maria Valtorta, but anyone can speak with God. Maria Valtorta isn’t special, everyone can speak to God, it’s just dormant because people believe God chooses certain people to talk to. And that’s not true. God doesn’t show favoritism, He loves all of his Creation equally. It’s up to His Creation to access that dormant part of themselves to speak to Him.
Ok, so first of all, my bad, cause God can choose whomever He wants to show visions to. What I’m saying is, it is not beyond our own capabilities to have God speak to us. Ok, so some people don’t have visions, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have that ability. ANYONE can speak to God, but yes God can choose someone to receive visions, I’m just simply saying that Maria Valtorta isn’t the only one who can converse with God. God made our Spirits and our Spirits are a direct link to God. Thank you for the correction, cause you’re right, God can choose anyone to speak to, but people can also choose to speak to God too and God will respond.
Good, glad we agree.
If one wanted to you could astral travel back in time to see how Jesus lived. I know of one person who did this. So, it’s not beyond anyone to see what Jesus went through back then and have God even speak to you as you see Jesus’s life unfold. But again, yes you’re correct, God can choose whomever he wants to choose. But it’s not beyond anyone’s capability of seeing the same things Maria saw and hear the same things Maria heard.
Which is why I tell everyone to trust no one unless they give you a reason to trust them. Hence why I’m one of the biggest critics you’ll ever meet.
Maria Valtorta has not given me any reason to not trust her, but I’d like to reiterate that I don’t get my information from mankind. There are certain teachings that I will take from The Bible, but The Bible as a whole is full of half-truths. You can still extract truth from The Bible, but at the end of the day, mankind has written The Bible for mankind. They say God inspired people to write The Bible, but 40 different authors? You mean to tell me I have to put my trust in 40 different people who don’t know me from Adam, and don’t know anything about my life? No…sorry, not happening. I have a really hard time believing that God inspired 40 different people to write His word, cause each of those authors are going to write things from their perspective, according to their worldviews, philosophies, etc… It’s no different than saying “Everyone in the United States Government can be trusted because they were inspired by God to serve as a Congressman or Representative.” You and I both know that if there’s anyone that can’t truly be trusted, it’s those people at the White House. I trust maybe a small handful of them, but I wouldn’t trust most of those people even if my life depended on it.
What I’m trying to say is, she may have not given me a reason not to trust her, but she’s not really saying anything I don’t already know about Catholicism, which I don’t believe anymore. You say so many questions of mine would be answered, but I’ve delved into Marian Apparitions and Jesus Apparitions before, and while they may have answered some questions, I have no way of telling if those answers are true or not. There was one person I’ve listened to, whom I believe to have a lot of truth, but that’s because, I’ve taken her advice before and have seen it work wonders into my own life. I consider myself a Spiritual Scientist, if I can replicate something that someone else did and get the same result or very close to the same result, I am able to trust them, and that’s because I can replicate their own experiment. And for someone whose like me, who is very skeptical and aims to find the authentic truth in everything, whom just like everyone else has the ability to test Spiritual Concepts and can replicate not just someone’s experiment but get the same results as that person, then anyone can replicate what it is I do and get the same result as well. The evidence speaks for itself. But I’ve got to have something to work with, I’m not someone who can do the whole blind faith thing. Sorry, but I need evidence that something is real, and so far Catholicism has yet to give me an answer on certain things (or at least give me some way of being able to test Catholic concepts, which unfortunately I have no way of testing).
I’ve found the truth through my own efforts with the help of God, Jesus, and my spirit. I just want to know the truth, and with Catholicism there’s just too many holes in it for me to be satisfied that Catholicism is the truth. There’s too many unknowns to it, and the fact that we’re just supposed to have faith that God has our best interests at heart, doesn’t do anything for me. Again, it’s blind faith. And while that might work for some people, I am not one to operate on blind faith. I need an explanation, and not “Well I don’t know, but…” No buts…if you don’t know, just say you don’t know. Stop trying to reframe something and just be real with me.
Really…what needs to be done is,I would like to see for myself the books of The Bible that were taken out or never put in period. I’m missing some information and there are some major holes in the argument for Catholicism. All I’m asking is for all the books of The Bible including the books that were taken out or discarded. But because the Pope and another person of high authority in the Church will deny me information that could be quite valuable and maybe even life-changing, I’m afraid I cannot and will not ever be able to believe that Catholicism is real. Yes, I know I said that I won’t base my beliefs on what is says in The Bible, but if I have access to all of that literature, maybe my tune will change. But till that happens, the only conclusion I can give about Catholicism is inconclusive. I need more information, not information that is being hidden from me. That is a form of dishonesty, and I don’t do dishonest.
Well if you truly believe that then, yeah, it’ll never happen for you or anyone with that attitude. This is an example of a limiting belief, and because you hold that belief, any evidence that that belief is true will be shown to you. Instead you should approach it as “Is it true that not all of us will experience visions or take dictation from God? What can I learn from this?” You’re already assuming that there’s a possibility that not everyone will experience visions or take dictation, so you’re already tossing that possibility out the window when we live in a Universe full of possibilities. “With God, all things are possible.” I personally believe everyone can get visions or take dictation from God, but whether or not anyone believes they can is a whole other animal. If Jesus can raise someone from the dead, how is this not possible? When you judge something, you’ve made up your mind about something. And because you have made up your mind, any deeper truths will not show up in your reality all because you have decided to close your mind to any other possibilities and see only one possibility as true. An open mind is hungry for information. A closed mind will only learn so much. If you believe that with God anything is possible, how is this not possible then?
Well maybe you’re ok with the unknown, but for me, I need to know if something is truly unknown. The fact that the Catholic Hierarchy is withholding, or omitting anything from us is very dishonest! They could be hiding something that could be really valuable for the hueman race. They could be hiding the answer to why evil exists in our world. But the fact of the matter is, no one will ever know, because only with permission from the Pope and someone of religious authority can one go to the Vatican Secret Archives. This is why I will not consider a question, such as “Why do we have evil in the world?” or “Why do people suffer?” as something we don’t have an answer to, cause we could very well have the answer in those Archives. But no, we’re gonna leave the public in the dark (which is a Satanic action by the way) and we’re not going to show them anything that could answer that question. It would be different if they weren’t hiding anything from us. That way I could definitively say “You know what? We truly don’t know what the answer is.” But as long as they keep hiding things from us, I’m going to continue to search for the truth, because I think it is very unjust and very dishonest to be keeping anything from the public PERIOD! It’d be different if The Vatican Secret Archives had sensitive information in there like someone’s credit card number or social security number, but I highly doubt it’s down there, but I don’t know nor will I ever know. Till I am able to see every single book in the Bible including the ones that never made it in or were taken out of The Bible, then all I can say about Christianity/Catholicism is that it’s inconclusive because I don’t have enough information….
Also, as a side note, I do not trust you, at all. If you wish to discuss this, we can, but currently I do not trust you.
You are here on this site to spread nothing but Satan’s malefice. You say to use your own discernment and your own intuition when the bible warns us about this exactly and tells us to do the exact opposite and never to lean on our own intuition/understanding.
Proverbs 3:5-6
**5 **Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
**6 **in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.
You are not even a christian let alone a catholic and all you try to do on this site is try to sway people away from the one true church and Jesus Christ and supposedly disprove Jesus. You were the last person on earth I’d want answering the questions I’ve been struggling with. Keep your venom inside your mouth, I don’t want you answering my questions. You must be a jew or something.
Peace to all,
Enough.
From the God from the Faith of Abraham The Hebrews exodus out of Egypt carry forward the Old Covenant Chosen sacrifice forward with the Ark of the Covenant to the Tomb of Jerusalem.
The new living sacrifice is the Host that transforms and glorifies and transfigures all as one in being a family.
Peace always,
Stephen
I would recommend to read “Galatians 5:13-26” then watch the movie “Face Off 1997” movie. Or watch short Jade Cocoon PS1 intro on youtube.
I think reason sin exists, is because good fruits can also attract bad fruits. Its the nature of things. However, in order to create good fruits, we have to avoid the beast of knowledge (The act of the flesh). Inorder to create an environment that is long lasting, and not self gratifying and decaying.
When it comes to, why isnt life perfect? That i wouldn’t know. Or i should say, it was perfect til the nature of sin occured. Satan rebelled against God. Same way Adam and Eve did against the Lord too. Its a fallen nature, but that loyalty and faith helps us on our way.
Because people can betray you (Family, friends or others, or in some cases, yourself), which is why the Good Shepherd is Jesus who picks up the lost lamb, but loyalty and faith will never falter.
I wasn’t referring to where she got her information from, rather, I was referring to Maria Valtorta herself. If Maria Valtorta is a hueman, then I’m referring to her.
Oh is that so? Lemme jog your memory a bit, remember this post?:
Here’s the thing, your opinion about reincarnation doesn’t bother me. Most people I know don’t believe in it, so that part doesn’t bother me. It also doesn’t bother me that you think my soul is in jeopardy. I have a Christian friend who tells me almost everytime I see her that I’m going to hell (not implying that’s where you think I’m headed, but obviously you’re worried about my soul). And yes, she’s a great friend of mine. She’s a good person, and like most people she would never wish hell upon anyone and is only trying to help me in her own way. I always tell her “Thank you for thinking about my afterlife.” But what does bother me is the fact that you thought it was ok to single me out in your post by putting my screenname on the top of your post. Again, the things we disagree with, doesn’t matter to me, but singling me out on your post is going a bit too far, cause I’ve had this happen to me before and I really don’t care for that kind of behavior. You know that I am not afraid to discuss with you about any topic we may fundamentally disagree with, and I have no problem explaining how reincarnation works again if that’s what you want to do. But singling me out is what high schoolers do (because in high school I was always singled out, and that got old quick!).
When you and I had a lovely discussion about reincarnation (cause I thought our conversations were pretty productive and we both effectively explained our sides. Yeah I didn’t care for the fact that you only focused on certain words that I would type and wouldn’t actually read my entire explanation, or if you did, you would only put a focus on a few things I would say) but I would say, for the most part, it was a pretty civil conversation. And it was really sweet of you to show empathy and to say that I could always talk to you (I don’t remember exactly what you said, but you were extending an olive branch and I thought that was nice of you). And, after that conversation I did trust you, cause you gave me a reason to trust you.
And then, you turn around, single me out in one of your posts, and that’s just a really nasty way to be. I don’t tag, nor do I type someone’s screenname on any of my posts unless I’m giving a compliment or am thanking someone. Again, it’s not your position on reincarnation that I’m mad about. I’ve tried to make it clear to you that I’m going to agree to disagree, so it wasn’t the fact that you were talking about how in one of Maria Valtorta’s visions that she was told that reincarnation isn’t true. However, it was the fact that you thought it would be ok to basically type my screenname in and single me out in one of your posts. You could’ve just talked about why you’re against reincarnation without even bringing up my name, cause I would’ve been ok with that. But you went one step further, and typed my screenname. The reason why I don’t care for being singled out, is because I don’t want my private messages to be flooded with people asking me why I believe in reincarnation, or worse, why they think I’m working for Satan or whatever crazy judgemental label they want to put on me. If you wanted to continue our discussion on reincarnation, all you needed to do was ask me (that is if that’s what you wanted), but please don’t single me out like that, cause now I have a reason to not trust you. You seem like a sweet person, and I’d love to discuss more things with you, but don’t single me out. If anything, at least message me before you do something like that. Again, I don’t mind having civil discourse with you, but at the end of the day I’m still hueman….
Well…you’ve asked me very kindly to read up on Maria Valtorta’s Notebooks and her book “The Poem of the Man God.” The reason I don’t have any desire to really read up on something like that is because, it just doesn’t interest me is all. There might be a few books that were written about her, but nothing substantial enough to where I feel like it’s a must read to better innerstand Catholicism. At least Jesus had books written about him, and at least there’s enough evidence to suggest that he walked this Earth at one point and was able to perform great miracles. With Maria Valtorta, who swears that she was visited by Jesus, Mary, and an Angel, there’s not enough evidence to suggest that she actually encountered these beings, or that if she did, there’s no way of knowing if what she says is true or not. I think Marian and Jesus Apparitions are interesting, and at times pretty thought provoking, but most of the time, to me those are inconclusive, because there’s not enough information to say that this is 100% true.
However, your talking points are mostly about what this Maria Valtorta said. So, I will try my best to read The Poem of the Man God when I get the chance, along with her Notebooks. Right now I’m reading a book given to me by a dear friend, but after I’m through with those books, I’ll make sure to read The Poem of the Man God. If anything it could be a good read even if I don’t get anything out of it.
It’s guaranteed, but only if the person who wishes to receive visions or speak to these entities truly believes that it can happen. There’s a lot of things that can happen, but usually doesn’t happen due to limiting beliefs. And there’s a whole list of things that can happen if people would just believe.
Yeah…it’s sad that these people don’t want to believe in their true potential. I’ve done things that anyone can do, but unless deep down they believe it, they’ll never be able to experience it. God wants us to enjoy our time down here, cause God knows that the lessons down here are very hard. But, as long as people keep believing that being able to have visions of God, Jesus, and Mary are rare, then they will indeed be rare.
Too much emphasis is given on external things. The truth is within you. Your Spirit knows the truth, cause your Spirit was once a part of God. But people chase after their external for answers, when really, your divine soul knows the truth already. Have faith in yourself, God did not make his Creation to be ignorant of anything. God wants us to know as much as He knows, cause not even God knows everything (unless you believe that God is all-knowing, which is a whole other argument to make).
When I first started looking into what is true and what isn’t true, at first I thought I was being punked. I thought that the information I was looking at was one big conspiracy theory, but as I delved deeper, and was able to put 2 and 2 together (such as news articles lining up with what it was I was looking at, and the fact that the U.S. Military agrees with what it is I saw, but will never tell you, because they are under NDA’s (or Non-Disclosure Agreements)). The fact that there were others like me who started to see through the clown show here on Earth. It was only when I did my due diligence and figured this stuff out for myself is what got me to a place where now I believe in what most people consider a “conspiracy theory.” Whether people know this or not, there is a coordinated effort, between 7 families, that want to have complete control of the narrative. They want to establish a One World Order, where there would be one religion universally, one financial institution universally, one dictator universally, etc… They want to control it all, cause when you control it all, you’re the one making the most money, because a Free Market doesn’t exist. If you are the one who is the owner of everything, and everything is universal, you’d be the one making the most money. And once they would have their World Order established, they’d make us all be slaves or have us be part of the food supply. And as part of their One World Religion, they’d bring back hueman sacrifice. Sorry, but the people who run things are to not be trusted. Cause not only do these 7 families run everything, but they have puppets below them that help them get whatever it is they want. We’re dealing with extremely intelligent psychopaths here. They know how to get the hueman race to agree with what it is they want to do. This is another really good reason to trust no one, especially those with power, cause most people when they have all that power don’t know how to use it for the greater good. Power can corrupt. This is why it’s important to do your research and to not fall for the tricks of the enemy. Of course they’re going to label my beliefs, along with anyone who shares my same beliefs, as a conspiracy theory. People honestly believe that you can trust anyone, even people who are rarely ever televised, but that’s because that’s how our system is set up. They want you to be dumb and dull, they want you to be a bunch of sheep, and they want you to feel like you’re completely powerless and need to rely on the system to get your needs met. Believe me, there are a ton of people out there with ulterior motives, and the most dangerous of people are the ones who blindly believe that everyone has their best interests at heart. And the amount of puppets that are in the world, that are working for these families is vast. It’s an entire network of people who are only concerned with how much money they make, and are less concerned about the people below them who don’t make a whole lot of money. Believe me, years ago I probably would’ve said this is the true religion, because if I’m being honest here, Catholicism is the closest thing to the truth. But if you think there’s nothing shady going on within the Church, you trust way too easily. There’s a lot of wolf in sheeps clothing, which is why this religion while it may help people is also very dangerous…..
Life is a game with winners (Heaven) and losers (Hell) and we’re told that our eternal fates are based on our individual choices. God makes the game and the rules. It’s unfortunate for us that much of our suffering is a result of the ambiguity of “the rules” as well as being forced to play the game (@sisternightingale as you state that you didn’t ask to be born). We’re also taught that God will never change the rules. Rules so ambiguous that they’ve resulted in an uncountable number of opinions since the beginning of Christianity and the endgame so serious (potential eternal damnation), that I’m shocked that scruples aren’t prevalent in the Faith.
We’re taught that those who seem to be the most pious may suffer damnation while we’re also taught the lowliest of sinners can, in contrast, go to Heaven.
Forced to play the game and to follow rules that are unclear and sometimes contradictory while under the threat of eternal suffering or reward of bliss.
Be honest and kind to others. Respect life. Try your best every day at being the best person you can be in this world based on the “hand you’ve been dealt”.
If at the end of that, the maker of the rules and the game decides you shall suffer for eternity, then it will be what it will be. It will be the rule maker’s decision, not yours.
A person can be driven mad from fear as to whether or not they’re actually doing/not doing what God actually wants from them. Think of the people who physically harm themselves thinking it’s what God wants them to do.