Catholic-Lesbians

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Peace to all,

Logical Formulas from infinite disciplines in undefiled logical intelligence preexisting become again through the Wondrous Mysteries in the Catholic Faith, OMNiLogically.

Mystically, rationally intelligence logic prexists undefiled. Saint Paul coul never say this.

The Holy Family’s combiled Powers Transfigure from created failed becoming through Transformation for becoming glorification for One Body becoming again in all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Hi Morgan! I don’t understand your logic; I think you are making subtle distinctions. But the bottom line of religious life, as I understand it, is that, as Jesus teaches, we have to make a choice between God and mammon (sermon on the mount). Are we trying to find our satisfaction in the temporal, physical, flesh-oriented things of this world, or are we trying to find our fulfillment within the context of our eternal relationship with God? Using this distinction as a criterion for what is most appropriate, I am inclined to feel that two women who are abstaining from sexual relations, while living together in mutual trust and respect, are closer to God than a heterogenous couple who are engaging in sexual relations for the pleasure of the physical body.
Jesus did not keep a wife. Nor did his closest disciples. Nor did the saints of the church. Therefore I can only conclude that the pleasures of the flesh are in opposition to our relationship with God. Whether people are homosexual or heterosexual seems to be a less important consideration than whether people are looking for their pleasure and fulfillment in the satifaction of their senses (as the animals do) as opposed to looking for their fulfillment in their relationship with God.

Rejecting people for their sexual orientation is like rejecting people for their skin color, or nationality…when in fact God doesn’t evaluate us in terms of these physical designations, but more interms of the quality of our love for Him.
In any case, I think you are sincere in your convictions, and your desire to be pleasing to God, and I respect you for that.

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Peace to all,

So true, Peter1, inclined ot believe is We cannot judge, I believe. And all are welcomed into the Church from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven to be able to become again, transfigured in One Family from the Faith of Abraham becoming again in all One Family.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Making personal judgements is not the same as affirming (objectively correct) knowledge of the faith.

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Christ is the Second Person and humanity, God’s children.

Race is a natural occurrence, gender-related deviations is human choice.

I’ve already given response to the reality of an SS-combination from the perspective of the Catholic Church.

As for comparisons between different contextual frameworks, there are none. For the reason given in the previous sentence with the additional comment that at least the two people despite failing are married and not living in sin.

Points to consider:

Why would an SS couple care about what the Church understands?

How would you know of a married couple’s physical intentions towards each other because if you did know then they would presumably be making it known in public and if so it would be highly unlikely that they’d be practicing Catholics and therefore scandal in the public sense and morality within their own beliefs don’t figure in the conversation.

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Peace to all,

So true, OMNiLogically, The Christ is the union of the from Immaculate Conception through the Eteranal Priestly Authority becoming hypo-staticalluy united in One Christ Body.

Peace always,
Stephen

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You don’t have to keep writing, “OMNilogically” - got the gist of what you think, already.

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Peace to all,

For from him and through him and for him are all things. In him be glory forever. Amen.

Gods become again from Powers prexisting from Creation through Transformation for Glorifyfication in two natures for all Creation becoming again One Family.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Peace to all,

Catholic Talk, were logical Catholic people congregate, becoming again in One God in being a Family.

Peace always,
Stephen

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God designed us to have normal sexual desires. In a Christian marriage, sex unifies the couple and is God’s plan for bringing children into the world. God intended sex in marriage to be unitive and procreative (Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 2366).

Misused, sex can be “a selfish drive for one’s personal satisfaction, disguised as ‘love,’” but it is not simply that.

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I know why you keep using the word ‘logic’. Correct me if wrong, but someone accused you of being ‘illogical’ at one point, maybe from within the environment you are in, currently, or before, and so you are reacting to that person or them by stating that your faith and so too your own mind by means of your faith is quite logical.

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Peace to all,

The logical formula follow the Faith of Abraham through the wondrous mysteries. The pattern never never fails in all cases and follows him who said “what is it to yo If he should remain alive until I return, you must follow me.”

Peace always,
Stephen

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Respectful Greetings to you, my dear friend, Stephen!

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I understand your words, Steve. And I agree. Sex is God’s plan for bringing children into the world. It may be of interest to you to understand that in the Vedic tradition, and even in the path that I follow, those who wish to bring a soul into the world are instructed to engage in a rosary-like process for 8 hours, husband and wife, before engaging in the act of procreation. This is a way of aking God to please send them a soul who will be a gift to all the people of the the earth. In this way, sex can be as sacred as attending mass. The condition of the heart is the most important factor.

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I can understand that you are very much concerned about the Catholic letter of the law. But there is also the spirit of the law, which is very much about love and compassion. For example Jesus broke the Jewish law when passing through the fields and picking a few grains, and when healing people on the Sabbath. These are infractions of the scriptures. But Jesus was influenced by his quality of inconceivable kindness and love…which caused him to work on the Sabbath due to the spirit of the law, as opposed to being fanatically adhering to the letter of the law. The Jewish clergy were prepared to rubber stamp these actions as “sin”, just as you are rubber stamping the lives of others as lives of sin.
How do you know that “Race is a natural occurrence, gender-related deviations is human choice.” I do not believe that a board of scientists would agree with you. Also, you are assuming that all same sex people are indfferent to the church and tindfferent o whether or not we are pleasing to God. This is surely not valid. These people are born into the world with these inclinations. God has created them in this way. And many have struggled with this internally…and other have accepted the way in which they are…and try to be godly in their everyday lives as much as possible. Otherwise, why would such a same sex couple choose to be celebate?
One point of consideration is that we have to examine our hearts in an attempt to understand if we are simply using our religion as a justification for being hateful and judgemental. A doctor doesn’t hate the sick patient for being ill. He sees the disease, but thinks only about how he can be kind and helpful. Therefore Jesus says, “Hate the sin; but not the sinner.” I ask you to contemplate Jesus’s reason for counseling us in that way. Even the propensity to sin…this is also an affliction. If Jesus condemned everyone who was a sinner…he would never have walked among us…because all of us fall into that category, one way or another.

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The “spirit of the law” is not in contradiction - ‘A house divided against itself, cannot stand’.

“Infractions” against what is now the Jewish religion, were not infractions but fulfilment. And the Church’s understanding on all-matters-moral stem from that fulfilment.

I’m not “rubber-stamping the lives of others”; as said in a previous post, I am asserting Church teaching.

I don’t need to answer as to how I came to the conclusion that race is a natural occurrence. And the natural and moral order identifies itself in the outcome of events and in this case moral disorder makes for chaos in the natural world, e.g. disease as opposed to family.

It doesn’t make any difference whether a self-stated SS individual claims to be in the Church or not.

A baby doesn’t have SS inclinations, nor any, and so the point is a non-starter.

God doesn’t create disorder.

An SS self-stated combination might practice celibacy because they have guilt concerning their actions and because they are trying to excuse their choice to exist in sin.

You are mixing judgementalism with knowing the difference between right and wrong.

A militant atheist will not oppose and refuse termination from pro-choicers, if that would be what you’re referring to. Unfortunately, many practitioners are indeed sociopaths.

Are you going to give a child poison, simply because they stamp and sulk? Fact is fact and we are not called to be unintelligent.

People who sin are condemning themselves and Christ told the woman caught in adultery not to sin again.

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Peace to all,

Allow the Baptized sinner transformed in the Church becoming brothers and sisters becoming from Sacrifice through Penance becoming glorified becoming Sons and Daughters of God transfigured re-imaged as The Father becoming again Transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen Andrew

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I answer you, because to walk away in the middle of a conversation can leave a bad taste. But I will not challenge you further. I feel that your every assertion is in line with scripture. I am not standing in opposition to your counsel…but only questioning the heart behind it. I believe jesus also tells us to love our neighbor as oursleves, and to love our enemies. He also tells us not to cast judgement, because the harshness with which we judge others will come back upon us…“…for how so ever ye judge others…in that way ye shall also be judged.” Again, to “hate the sin, but not the sinner”…means, yes, we have the power to discriminate between what is right and what is wrong…but with compassion, we should see the wrong-doer as one who is afflicted, and think within ourselves how they can be helped, rather than acting as judge and jury. I think that this is in line with the compassionate heart of Jesus who comes to us who are born with sinful hearts, otherwise referred to as “original sin”. His hope is for our salvation rather than to jump at the opportunity to condemn us. As we prey for the afflicted we gradually come to love them as well. Otherwise there will be a lot of burning of souls at the stake. Although one can justify such hell-fire on the basis of scripture, I don’t think this gives pleasure to the compassionate heart of Jesus. We are all born as “prodigal sons”, but the love of the Father still stands. Otherwise I accept your vedict regarding what is right and what is wrong. Respectfully, Peter

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Peace to all,

So true, Peter1, and God bless you and always, Original sin becomes from created love failed becoming loving or not loving.

And Catholics do not believe one has to be Catholic to go to Heaven. The Autonomy of The Holy Spirit Family is rebirth and Salvation for all to be able to stand before the Family of God justified and self-righteous before Him to be able to become again from created through transformation for glorification re-imaged as The Father becoming again transfigured with all in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being a Family, I believe.

Because all that did do not understand, the holy family will get to know through purgatory.

As Catholic no one judges, Only God, and God in-corrupts from the spirit nature becoming for the created souls of all through the transformed immortal flesh becoming resurrected from the spirit nature through the life nature in One Body becoming again transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being from the Father of Faith Abraham.

We know as Catholic, God fulfills Faith for both natures logically and reasonably. Jesus does not remove the 10 Commandments and only adds the Greatest Commandment, loving only and loving with only the most love becoming through the Flesh in the Christ becoming again in One Family.

"This is why the Father loves me,
because I lay down my life in order to take it up again.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own.
I have power to lay it down, and power to take it up again.
This command I have received from my Father.”

We cannot choose what anybody else want to look like, faithfully I believe, from the Faith of Abraham.

As Catholic from the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries for the Catholic Faith we can more easily follow the patters that never fails in all cases from the fulfilled faith and mortality through the Christ becoming again for all Creation in One God in being a Family.

Theh Faith becoming again in the God from the Faith of Abraham and Our Father of Faith becoming again through the Christ is what Catholics logically follow and as Catholic everyone has choice in becoming again from the Image of the Chosen Father, I believe.

From the Fulfilled Faith of Abraham is through the flesh of Mary from the spirit of Jesus becoming for both natures “In The Christ” for all mankind becoming loving only and loving with only the most love becoming hypo-statically united “Through The Christ” becoming again transfigured for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

We cannot choose what anybody else want to look like, faithfully I believe.

The Sinful heart is mortal through the flesh corrupt from the spirit with the choice to love and the chance to not love, in One Body from Adam and Eve. The Family of God resurrects from the incorruptible spirit through the immortal flesh “In The Christ” becoming for all mankind transfigured “Through the Christ” in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, unable to sin, unable to die, forever from the incorruptible spirit through the immortal life in One Family Body now loving only and loving with only the most love in One God in being a Family.

Rationally and faithfully Catholic’s become again for the created souls of all through the Flesh in the Christ to God’s nature loving only and loving with only the most love from the logical undefiled Holy Spirit power becoming alive and living in all mankind through the flesh becoming again in all through both natures in One Family through the Faith from Abraham becoming again One Family.

From the Spirit incorruptibly fulfilled nature for the created souls of all through immortal flesh nature united in the Christ all creation becomes again unable to fail in all cases through both natures from the spirit through the life in One Family.

The Spirit nature manifests the reborn flesh nature from incorruption through the created souls of all becoming immortality transformed in the flesh becoming united in One Body glorified becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit and Life Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Hello dear Stephen! As I have tried to communicate to you before…I cannot understand very well your mode of expression. I can only feel in my heart that you have a beautiful and wonderful faith that you abide in, and that you wish to share with all of us. Thank you for your beautiful heart. Peter

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