Any opinions on electronic payment and Mark of Beast verse?

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Hi :sunny:
I am heavy in the theory that the Mark of the Beast is electronic payment. Have been for some years. Even lost a friend because of my opinion. His stated reason for quitting the friendship was that my opinion on that topic was unacceptable.

Now in my country Denmark the government is pushing for everything having to work through the smartphone. While I try to stay off all of the electronism,I am wondering if I am just having a bizarre idea. I mean, nobody else came up with exactly the same idea. And the catholic church has not gone out warning against the stuff.

The fact that taking the mark of the beast will send you into eternal damnation (revelation 14:11), would it not make sense if at least the church as a whole should clearly identify that this is that mark?

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Welcome back! My knowledge of tech and smartphones is very limited. Maybe there is a tech website also interested in in your theory. Let us know what you discover.

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My guess (and that’s all it is) is that accepting the mark of the Beast means in some way acknowledging the rule of evil. Refuse to do that and you will be punished. I imagine that the Beast will use any available methods to enforce its will. I don’t think that any one method would be the mark. If everyone in the world could be forced to use only electronic commerce and had to acknowledge the Beast in order to use it, then the acknowledgment, and not the technology, might get you marked. I’m only speculating.

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It certainly can be a mark of the beast, however, I believe the mark of the beast relates to Emperor Nero (as the numbers literally add up to the spelling of his name).

666 (Nun (50) + Resh (200) + Waw (6) + Nun + (50) Qop (100) + Samekh (60) + Resh (200) = 666 (which spells “Caesar Nero” in Aramaic or Hebrew: NRWN QSR .

Both the Aramaic and ancient Hebrew alphabets are very similar and did not include vowels.

There are early manuscripts of Revelation that record the beast’s number as 616 , leaving off a number 50 in the equation.

I, like you am concerned about a one world digital currency and the control that it could have over an otherwise free people. And they first put the chip in our phones (apple pay, google pay, etc.) It is incrementalism. We have to decide now how fare we are willing to go along and also know that they will use fear or force to get us to cross that line. They may used incentives, but know that there will be strings attached if we accept the deal.

Even if it is forced upon us, there will always be an consent element to it. They will always say that we consented to it, and in truth, we will. We can choose not to go along with it, but life will be hard if we do not. Or they will claim we democratically consented (meaning the majority consented for the minority) and therefore we must comply.

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Everything in the world can be both good and bad. Money can be used for good or bad purposes. Same with cyber energy. One can connect with the most degrading web sites online; or one can connect with Catholic Talk. “The Beast” is our misuse of our freedom of choice, one day at a time, one moment at a time.

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Peace to all,

Hi how is all? Fine here, just updating thought for all. To me, Thought can also refer to the general ability to think, reason, and imagine, deriving, inducing.

In all generalization using logic is understanding wills of choice manifesting the being can come from and blow to anywhere and logically the Holy Spirit Will comes from and blows to Heaven from where The Family of God Came, to me.

To me, Choice How will we spend our money?
Choice is the freedom to choose The Image.

“Whose image is on the coin?” Jesus asks. “Whose Inscription?”

We are asked to render, And to me The Image on the coin must also render to God logically becoming World Order. The “Mark of The Beast” is anything unless the will is “The Will of The Father” logically.

“When the creature Operates in order to do My Will, by
Giving her of My Own, together with that Work I Place My
Sanctity, My Power and Wisdom, the Beauty of My Works, an
Incalculable and Infinite Value. I could say that those are Fruits
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of My Lands, Works of My Celestial Kingdom, the Glory of My
Family and of My Legitimate children. So, how could they not
be pleasing to Me? How could I not feel the Enrapturing Power
of My Supreme Volition in that work of the creature who only
Operates to do My Will? O! if all knew the Good of It, they
would not let themselves be deceived by their own wills.” Luisa and the
Kingdom of the Divine Will

We know not to judge or proselytize others and only judge our own souls and only in generalization do I speak.

Original Sin is fall from sanctification in knowing how to fail through choice becoming to failed creation causing death of the flesh, but not of the spirit.
Salvation is resurrection becoming through the Christ becoming again spirit and life in One Body, One Holy Spirit Famiy One God in being.

To me, the mark of the beast is the image that manifests the being. Through choice we become again the image through the freedom of selection. And rationally in all generalization the fulfilled infallible intelligence logic that never fails follows the pattern “What would Jesus do in all cases of the fulfilled faith and morality of The Christ becoming again in all”, One Family of God. In all generalizations we are reimaged from the mark of the “Beast”, or the Will of the Father becoming reimaged immortality through Holy Spirit Incorruption becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, logically, to me.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Completely and perfectly correct:

Stephen says: "The “Mark of The Beast” is anything (we desire) unless the will (our will) is “The Will of The Father”.

Jesus teaches the very same concept by his personal example, when he says, “Not my will, but Thy will be done.”

In other words, to actually be a follower, or disciple of Christ, is to imbibe his spirit of selfless, unmotivated devotion to God. When we live only for God’s pleasure, this is the meaning of, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all of your heart.”

Simply to say, “I have accepted Jesus as my savior, and now I am free of responsibility for my sins.”, this is small start. But to really follow Jesus is to embrace his mood of Love for God.

Anything that we do, think, or speak, that is not intended for God’s pleasure, arises out of a desire to please ourselves. This is against the teachings of Jesus, who says, “Not my will but Thy will.” Jesus is teaching us to live for God’s pleasure. Otherwise we are Christians in name only.

This may be hard to swallow; but this is the truth. This what Jesus teaches. But these teachings become very much watered down with the passage of time.

For example, Jesus said to the wealthy man “give up all your possessions, give the proceeds to the poor and follow me.” But the man could not do it. At the same time, we have “Christian” churches in which people pray for wealth. But they consider themselves to be followers of Jesus.

Praying for wealth, or for anything other than, “Please bless me with the ability to have my heart filled with love for You.” , is a self-centered orientation. It is not living for the pleasure of God. It is using religion for serving my mundane desires. It is pious , in that this orientation acknowledges the supremacy of God. But it is far from the mark of what Jesus teaches us.

Jesus preaches pure devotional love of our Heavenly Father. Healings are there, simply to inspire faith in those who value material happiness. But these healings alone will never open the doors of heaven for the receiver. Even those who do those healings, Jesus says, “I never knew you.”

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The “Mark of The Beast” is anything, unless the will is “The Will of The Father” logically.

The word “anything” (in Stephan’s words, above) is most important. Anything that is not done for the pleasure of God, is the influence of “the beast”. Pious, or impious activity. Atheists can do “good works”. Atheists can be moral. But God wants our love. Therefore Jesus says that this is the first rule of life: “To love the Lord our God with all of our heart.”

Yes…so a serious practitioner of the faith will inquire: “What is the will of the Father?”

The will of the Father is exactly what Jesus tells us: “Thou shalt love the Lord they God with all thy heart, with all thy strength…” This is the will of the Father. He wants our love. God wants our love. He has created us only for that purpose. He is not in need of anything. But He enjoys our love.

Therefore everything that we do, say and think …should be done with a desire to be pleasing to God. This is the meaning of “love”… desiring to be a source of pleasure to the beloved. God is the Supreme Beloved.

But where can one acquire this love? Can it be purchased at Walmart, or Amazon.com? This love can only be obtained by the practice of being in heartfelt submission to one who has this love. And this is our relationship with Jesus. He is not simply a receptacle for receiving our sins…so that we can go on sinning. This is to use Jesus as our door mat. We must ardently beg Jesus to share his love of God with us…and he will. In fact he begs us to take it from him when he says, “Please take upon yourself the yoke that I wear. It is so nice.” What is that yoke? It is the yoke, of the heart of love, of the son that does everything only for giving pleasure to the Father. “Not what I want; but only what is pleasing to You…Not my will, but Thy will be done.” That is the yoke that Jesus wears…the yoke that he wishes to share with all of us. This is the reason for his appearance on earth…to share this yoke.

Only one who cultivates the practice of wearing this yoke, can become free of wearing the yoke of self-centered absorption and desire. It is in this way that Jesus is our savior…but only if we sincerely aspire to be saved. Amen

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I believe that the ‘Mark of the Beast’ is the Islamic Zebiba. It is NOT a worldwide imposition. It is limited to and within the coming 10 nation empire of the Mid-Eastern Islamic BEAST.

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For a person like me, these considerations don’t seem to be very significant. My conviction is that main thing for all of us, is how to protect ourselves from OURSELVES, from our personal inclinations to be be self-serving as opposed to bing God-serving from moment to moment. As Jesus teaches us, there can be hundreds of guidelines and rules; but the rule of all rules is to love God with all of our hearts. He also said that at the time of death, one may say “I have been keeping this rule and that rule, and those other rules, all out a mood of service to you.” But then, Jesus says, he will say, “I never knew you.” Why? Because the essence of his teaching is that it is only through a moment to moment living relationship of reciprocation of love with Jesus …that we can be saved. It’s not about being a “good boy” or “good girl”…or as Jesus says, “It’s not by good works alone…”

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I will say, that I feel that things are going fast in Denmark. People in Denmark are very government compliant, and generally the level of trust from the population is high. In the law there is a rule that shops must receive cash, but shops get around it by in different ways making it difficult to pay in cash. Incentives are also being seen in the local supermarket. You can now be a “member” and receive benefits, but the only way to be a member is to have a smart phone, that can keep the membership.
Many people now use mobile pay. Even between one another.

So the question becomes, am I being a weirdo for fighting this battle or should I stay on it?

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I do not think you are weird at all. We all need to draw the line somewhere. There is a documentary called, “The Creepy Line,” which talks about how Google had a culture that said, go right up to the creepy line, but don’t cross it. Once users get comfortable with the line, then they would reset it to a new creepy position. It’s like the frog boiling in the pot analogy. We would resist if Google started five creepy lines out, but incrementalism makes it difficult to recognize that we have gone beyond the creepy lines behind us.

I live near one of the big Amusement Parks in the United States and normally I would ask for a physical card, instead of using the app. This year, when I asked for the card, they said they no longer offer that options (creepy line number two. The first being the card itself). So, I took a screenshot of the profile on the app and used it create my own card using an online badge company and then deleted the app from my phone. I thought I’d get more looks when I present this card and not my phone, but so far no one has really questioned it. Many of the employees are other Countries who are here on visa. And they are very friendly and do not like confrontation (neither do I : ) But, eventually we will have to say no more. I have reached my line and will have to find ways around that may be more work on my part, but I will be more free, because of it.