Another question to add to my list of questions

[EarthsStudent]

@Soul

@EarthsStudent

[..] I don’t trust Maria Valtorta.

That contradicts the following statement that you made:

@EarthsStudent

Maria Valtorta has not given me any reason to not trust her […]

You can’t have it both ways, so let me know which statement you decide to stand by.

First of all, sorry, I didn’t realize I contradicted myself. If I’m being real with you, I need to look into her more, cause right now I don’t know if I should trust her or not.

@Soul

@EarthsStudent

I’m leaning on what the man-made Bible says […]

That contradicts the following statement that you made:

@EarthsStudent

[…] Tradition and Scripture. Both are manmade […]. I don’t get my information from man, only from God.

You can’t have it both ways, so let me know which statement you decide to stand by.

Sorry that I contradicted myself again. So, here’s the deal, I don’t live by The Bible because of the fact that it is man-made, and has been retranslated so many times that the original idea or the original message has been watered down throughout the years. There’s very very very poorly translated things that have come from that Bible. They honestly should’ve only translated it once and stopped….because then the message would be purer.

However, because we are comparing what Maria Valtorta has said compared to what it is we know about Jesus (which we get from The Bible), unfortunately that’s the only book I have of being able to compare what Maria said to what supposidely happened centuries ago. That’s why I cite The Bible, cause how else am I supposed to know? It’s not like there’s other books out there that extensively talk about Jesus’s life as much as The Bible does, at least not one that anyone can agree on.

@Soul

That is a false fact. Maria Valtorta’s writings do have imprimaturs, and that’s why they’ve been published, and in multiple languages. Why did you not thoroughly research Maria Valtorta if you care about seeking the truth?

This is the website I went on to find the Church’s official stance regarding Maria Valtorta

This is what the official Vatican website says in regards to Maria Valtorta. I apologize, you are correct, it is not that Maria Valtorta doesn’t have an impimaturs, but they clearly say her writings should not be regarded as having supernatural origin. But, it’s funny cause they then state that it should be regarded as a literary form that the author used to narrate the life of Jesus Christ in her own way.

Well, no offense but anyone can narrate Jesus’s life in their own way. Why is it she’s some special exception?

Why did I not research her yet? Well, right now I’m in the middle of researching something else. As soon as I get done with what it is I’m doing, I will then do research on Maria Valtorta, but as of now, I’m busy. Rest assured, I’ll do my research when I get time.

@Soul

That is not what I’m saying. One would be foolish to deny that Scripture is not a source of everything there is to know, and regarding Jesus specifically, in it we read from the apostle, John, that not even everything regarding Jesus was written (Jn. 21:25). Therefore, any or all information not found in Scripture will be revealed by God in other ways whenever, however, to whomever He wills. This doesn’t mean that Scripture is no longer Scripture, nor less important. And, Jesus Himself having chosen to, for example, reveal those truthful details about His own life not mentioned in Scripture wasn’t adding falsehoods to His own Gospel, and He chose to use Maria Valtorta, one of His numerous instruments, as His “pen” to accomplish that, for the reasons that He gave.

I have yet to research her, so for now, on this particular issue of Maria Valtorta, my stance is neutral. I do not know enough about this woman to make any actual determination, at least not yet.

@Soul

Which part(s) in the Evangelist accounts regarding Lazarus does Maria Valtorta’s account supposedly conflict with and how?

Man, when I typed up my response to this, it’s riddled with errors. I think when I typed this up I was like half-awake. But you’re right, there’s nothing conflicting, but I still stand behind what I said before which was Jesus said nothing to Lazarus when he was resurrected because Lazarus more than likely didn’t see Simon’s Father in Sheol which is why, more than likely, Lazarus didn’t mention anything. Again, if Jesus mentioned it, it would appear in The Bible, seeing as though that’s the only account of Jesus’s life that we have that most people say is true. I believe The Bible to be true, but not the current one. However, again, The Bible is the only thing I have to go off of right now, so it’s all I have to compare what she said to what was said back then.

@Soul

There is no unanimous agreement among the leaders in the Catholic Church that Maria Valtorta’s writings don’t have or have a supernatural origin. Any Catholics and non-Catholics, lay faithful and leaders alike, who currently don’t believe that Maria Valtorta’s writings have a supernatural origin, I say, among numerous others, are wrong in that belief, because of the proof in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

Well…I still have yet to do research on her, so from now my thoughts on her are neutral.

@Soul

False. You do have ways of knowing what comes from God and what comes Satan, because Jesus said, “a good tree cannot produce evil fruit"; “an evil tree cannot produce good fruits”;"you shall know them by their fruits”, which means a good tree can only produce good fruit, and an evil tree can only produce evil fruit. Good fruit can only and will always be produced by God, such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, and self-control. Everything proceeding from Satan and his servants, even if they appear to say good words, is always contaminated with error in a subtle manner.

Satan can deceive into eating evil fruit the sinners dazed by sin, the thoughtless and unreflecting, the curious who out of excessive desire for knowledge, imprudently approach all founts. But he cannot deceive an upright spirit united to God. All he can do is disturb it, drawing near to it, or wounding it by his own action, or by that of unfortunates who, rarely realizing that they are doing so, much more readily unaware of doing so, at a given moment are instruments used by Satan to cause God’s instruments pain and dismay. But then God intervenes and draws you away, into the clear, and saves you, bathing you in His ocean of peace and love.

I have yet to do research on this Maria Valtorta so for right now my stance on what it is she says is neutral.