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Why is the Church so blind to the obvious? Well, it’s because about 90% of the people on Earth who attend Mass are ok with what the Church does.
See….here’s the thing, I would say that the people who attend mass, and maybe the exception of certain people in the Church Hierarchy, are blind. There’s a lot of things that the Church does that most people don’t catch onto, or the meanings of certain things has been so widely and vastly accepted that, most people being unknowingly ignorant, accept 2 ways to receive the Eucharist, on the hand or tongue.
See….here’s the thing, I don’t think the Church is blind to the obvious. I think the Church knows EXACTLY what’s going on (and when I say Church in this paragraph, I’m not referring to the people who attend Church, this is more geared towards the Church Hierarchy). And because they know exactly what’s going on, they’re not going to come out and tell you that they’re basically making Jesus out to be a big joke. And that’s because, this lovely Church HATES Jesus, they absolutely positively HATE Jesus! And that’s the sad fact about all of this….that’s really what this boils down to, is absolute hate and disgust for the one person in this cesspool we live in who actually legitimately and fully LOVED US!
And how do I know they hate Jesus? All you have to do is research and observe what’s going on. You know, it’s funny, people think I have this “made-up God” and that I’m picking and choosing to believe what it is I believe. And I’m sorry, but that’s just plain wrong. My beliefs are a combination of observation, extremely dedicated research, critical thinking (meaning not just going along with what just anyone, even if they are a Priest or a Cardinal, not just going along with what anyone says. Critical thinking requires you to think a little outside the box. It’s about looking at someone’s actions and see if it lines up with what someone says, because there’s a lot of information they have conveniently left out), and having an open heart and an open mind as to what the answer actually is. I did not ever make up my own God, you can find out a lot of stuff through just simple observation. The God that I worship is a God that makes sense and is consistent. I did not make up this God, because this is real stuff that you can observe, anyone who observes can come up with the same conclusions I do. It’s the critical thinking part that tends to be the missing puzzle piece for most people, and that’s because unfortunately, most people don’t know how to critically think. When all of us were growing up, we were taught what to think yeah? Think about that for a second….growing up we were taught what to think. Lemme ask you something, if your Father said that Santa only gives presents to good little boys and girls, when you were a little boy or girl, did you look at Dad and say “But Santa doesn’t exist."? No…you didn’t say that. And why didn’t you say that? Because as a child you thought Santa was real, and that’s because you were told time and time again that Santa only brings presents to good little boys and girls. And since you were young, and since you didn’t have a fully developed brain, and since you were easily impressionable, instead of disagreeing with your parents, you instead agreed and you would try your absolute best to make sure you were a good boy or girl so you can get a present under the tree.
The best example of being told what to think and not how to think is when you were in school. When you were in school, if you did not have a good answer, or what the school considered the “right answer” you got points taken off a question. And why is that? Because the school teaches certain things from a curriculum, and in order to gauge or to figure out if the information they taught you stuck, they’d expect you to basically regurgitate whatever it is they taught you. If you give an answer that isn’t what they taught, you got points taken off of that question. Do you see where I’m getting at? Schools did not teach you how to think for yourself. Schools basically gave you a book, and everything that is in that book is supposed to be true (it’s not, but that’s what they want you to believe), and so that book was basically your study guide, and if you figured out how to memorize information really well, you could easily pass school with a 4.0 GPA average, that’s literally how easy school can be. But again, they handed you that information, and they basically built school to where, if you give an answer that is avant guarde as to what is in material you were given, you would get points taken off. And that’s because the school is literally giving you the information they need you to regurgitate back. And because this is how our schools are run, you don’t question the information given to you, because #1 You don’t really have time to do that, but #2, why would anyone question any information the school gives you? It would be not only a waste of your time, but it’s just counterproductive. Even colleges tout that they cause you to think critically, but when you really look at what colleges are doing, they’re not getting you to think critically at all. It’s the same formula in college as it is in elementary, middle, and high school.
In this 3rd Dimension (which is also known as the Dimension of Learning, cause that’s what Earth is, it’s one big gigantic school), you are here to learn. And, part of learning down here, is recognizing what is really true and what is really not true. And everything that is really true isn’t always spelled out, you have to look at certain situations from a different angle to figure it out. Like, let’s go with the example I gave, of people thinking that I made up this false God and I don’t know what it is I’m talking about. Ok…I do know what it is I’m talking about….because the conclusions I have come to EVERYONE ELSE CAN COME TO TOO!!! The problem is, most people are so stuck in their ways and refuse to see any problem from a different angle other than their own. I would know, because I at one point was a very faithful and devout follower and I mean I did everything basically by the book too. I’ve been in the faithful’s shoes….so I know what I’m talking about. Being Catholic was a part of my background for a very long time.
But, let’s go with the nature of God ok? One thing that Catholics truly believe is that God is all-knowing right? He’s omniscient. Ok, now from the surface, that sounds like a pretty true thing to say. God is a spirit, and spirits are not like huemans, and so from a logical standpoint, on the surface that makes sense. But, no one cares to delve deeper into this matter, and that’s what gets me. Because another thing Catholics will say is “God is the source of all that is good, pure, and true.” Ok….well…now we’re going to run into a problem. If God is the source of all that is good….well…according to The Bible, I don’t really see a lot of good being done. Some of it I would say is good for sure, but I don’t know if I would say that everything God does is good. Remember, we’re talking about a super intelligent being right? I mean, this being has been around even before the Big Bang came into existence, so this being is vastly intelligent, way more intelligent than we’ll ever be.
So, keep that in mind, God’s no dummy, He knows exactly what He’s doing. So, we’re going to switch gears a little bit here, let’s talk about the story of Adam and Eve. Now, whether or not that story is the true story of the first huemans is debatable, but for arguments sake we’re going to assume that this is the real true story of the first male and female. So what does God say to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden? (Forgive me, I’m gonna be paraphrasing here, this isn’t exactly what The Bible says, this is more of a summary of what God said) God said “You may eat from any tree in this Garden, but you are not to touch or eat the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.” Ok, simple enough instructions right? Well…and then comes this very sly and evil snake that slithers around in the Garden and one day the snake goes up to Eve and says (Again, paraphrasing here) “Why would you not eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? Don’t you know that if you eat from that tree that you will become like God?” Now….we’re going to pause the story right now, and go back to it here in a bit.
So, this is where we have a conflict going on. Let’s recap what we said about the nature of God. That God is all-knowing (meaning, he already knows what’s going to happen before it happens), and that God is the source of all that is good, pure, and true. Now….what just happened in the Garden of Eden? A snake came into the Garden, didn’t he? And what do we know about God? That God is all-knowing and He is the source of all that is good, pure, and true. He’s a good God right? He’s a loving God right? So, we now have a conflict here don’t we? Because just like we have Free Will, God has Free Will as well. Yes…His Will is perfect in every sense of the word and nothing tainted or wrong is against the inherent nature of God. But…God allowed this snake to be in the Garden, and God knew beforehand that this snake was evil and that the snake would tempt Eve to eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and then Eve would tempt Adam into eating the fruit as well.
So, according to what Catholic’s believe (because all I’m doing is parroting what Catholics say about God, that’s all I’m doing), but according to what Catholic’s believe, God is good and loving (and a good God is a loving God), but God allowed that snake into the Garden of Eden. God is supposed to be good….why would He allow a snake that was evil into the Garden knowing that Eve would make the wrong choice (because again, God is all-knowing as well). Well…we have a conflict here, because God cannot be good if God already knew that Eve would eat from that tree that God specifically commanded to not be eaten from. And there is no way, no way that God would go against his nature. Because if God went against his nature, then obviously he’s not the source of all that is good right?!
So now we have this problem. How do we resolve it? Because if what the Catholics say is true, that God is all-knowing and good at the same time, then why would a loving and good God allow a snake to enter into the Garden of Eden, knowing that it would be part of the cause of the downfall of huemanity?! So, there’s an inconsistency here…and we need to resolve it. And so, you can do as I did which is, basically just ask a bunch of questions and try your best to find the answer to it, and if you struggle with getting an answer, ask The One true God to give you the answer (and He always does), and you will find the answer to be interesting. Because eventually what will happen is, you figure out that God isn’t all-knowing. There’s no other way to put it. And here’s the thing, God already knows what we know, in fact he knows more than what we know, and his intelligence is vast, but God isn’t all-knowing. And, when you find out how God learns (Because He is….He’s kind of like us where, He’s learning all the time), it’ll make sense to you that God did NOT KNOW that the serpent would tempt Eve and Adam. Because again….God is loving….and I’m sorry, but God would not allow the serpent to go into the Garden of Eden knowing that the serpent would ultimately tempt Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, and giving it to Adam and Adam taking a bite of it too.
And, of course, some of the things Catholic’s come up with, on an intellectual level, it’s very hard for me to wrap my mind around. Cause again, God is naturally good, He cannot do anything that is opposite of what His true nature is, which is being good and loving. Cause Catholics will tell me “Well…yeah He knew it was going to happen, but He allowed it because He was testing Adam and Eve.” Again…God doesn’t test people, because testing people to see if they love you is a very nasty thing to do, and God is the ultimate source of all that is good. Look, again, he already knows what we know and more, and testing someone to see if they love you is actually really harsh and not very loving at all. You shouldn’t feel the need to have to test anyone to see if they love you, their actions will speak so loud that there’s no need to test anyone. God wasn’t testing Adam and Eve, because God didn’t know that the serpent was in the Garden to begin with, otherwise He would’ve gotten rid of it.
Just because God isn’t all-knowing doesn’t make Him stupid or less powerful. It just comes to show you that God is learning too. Even today…He’s still learning, and I know He’s still learning, I see it all the time. I don’t feel like explaining how God learns, because it’s just gonna really challenge your faith, and I don’t want someone to leave the faith on account of what it is I say. That’s not what I want. I want someone to leave the faith because they want to leave the faith, because it just doesn’t make sense anymore. I want someone to leave on their own accord, and not just based on what it is I say. But, people tell me that I’m making God up, that I’m literally picking and choosing what God is instead of what God truly is, and I’m sorry but that’s just plain wrong. Because, again what did I say? That God knows everything we know and more, but he’s also good and loving, and a good and loving God would not have allowed the serpent into that Garden unless He knew that the serpent was in it. I mean look, so he knows what we know already…so let’s put a hueman being in place of God ok? If you knew way ahead of time, that there was a serpent in the Garden, and you knew that this serpent would try to tempt Eve to eat of the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, you would stop that serpent right? And why would you? Because you know that that ugly serpent would tempt her and she would fall for it. Well….God knows what we know…so I’m sure He’d do the same thing if he had foreknowledge of the serpent being there. And again…if you don’t believe me, then question it yourself, because I guarantee you, if you go by logic and reasoning (which God does as well), you’ll find that you’ll arrive at the exact same conclusion. The problem is, is that, you were told what God is. You never questioned the higher ups about the nature of God, because most of them supposidely have a Theology degree or was “inspired by him” that you just never questioned their viewpoint. And that’s what I’m trying to get at, don’t just take any sort of information that you are given about ANYTHING (not just God), as Gospel truth, because some of it is a blantant lie, or at best a half-truth.
Question things, and don’t stop searching for the answer. You’ll find the answer, I guarantee it. I always find an answer, and some things I don’t find the answer immediately but that’s because, on a Spiritual level, I’m a certain point in my Spirit’s evolution that I’ll receive some answers, but other answers I’m not ready to receive till I become more open-minded and loving. Just like in school, just like you have grade levels in school, you can think of your soul having grade levels in Spiritual School. And once you innerstand one concept, you can delve deeper into that concept at the next grade level.
Don’t be afraid to question things, because the truth is out there, but some of it is buried so deeply that unless you work on becoming a better person and try to continually have an open mind and an open heart and think critically on the information you receive, you’ll find your answers. It’s not hard…but part of the deal is learning what God really is compared to what He’s not….and that’s the hardest thing about all of this.
Dear EarthsStudent, it’s great that you think for yourself and question everything. There’s a saying that a little knowledge gives you pride and a lot of knowledge, humility, or “Knowledge is proud that it knows so much, wisdom is humble that it knows so little.”
I recommend you to read the Summa Theologiae from St. Thomas Aquinas: all your questions would be answered.
Also, the revelations from Bl Anne Catherine Emmerich.
God allowed this snake to enter or be in the Garden, and God knew beforehand that this snake was evil and that the snake would tempt Eve to eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and then Eve would tempt Adam into eating the fruit as well.
What kind of good father would allow his child to put his fingers in the socket just that he learns a lesson from pain? Not just pain but the expulsion from home/Paradise? Without even warning about the consequences!
The answer is:
God is Love.
Love is fruitful.
Love outflows by creating likeness.
Just like angels, we were created in the likeness of God: freedom to love.
God didn’t want robots incapable of loving back, he already had in mind the creation of animals/insects, which are just bioprograms incapable of loving.
We are not predetermined/predestined but have the will power to make free decisions.
God doesn’t knows the future through the causality principle but from seeing the whole timeline from above, because the timeline is in God.
The tree wasn’t a test. If Adam and Eve wouldn’t have sinned, they would profit from the Tree of life to live until they finished their mission on earth, then up to God in Heaven.
They became like gods (fallen dark angels) because they lost grace (mortal sin) by dissobeying the only commandment they had. That’s why they found themselves naked: striped from the light of grace that covered their nakedness.
Why wouldn’t God stop the snake: for the same reason He doesn’t stop murders, wars, etc. He respects free will, which is essential to love, even if it opens up the possibility of hatred instead of love!
Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
God always gets more good than evil from evil. While God does not create evil, He acts as a sovereign authority who permits it temporarily and ultimately transforms it for a higher purpose, ensuring good triumphs.
The reason that the serpent spoke was that it was possessed by Satan. The reason that it was in Paradise is that it was a good creature. Why did God allow it to be possessed? Again, by allowing free will in the fallen angels.
Read Emmerich: you’ll understand that there are certain rules in the match between God and Satan, that God accepted beforehand and thus can’t break.
Ave María puríssima!
I keep seeking knowledge because I realize that the more it is I learn the more it is I really don’t know. In fact, I don’t know anything…so I spend my days doing research. I just wanna know the truth, and the more I read up on Catholicism, the more I’m convinced that, while Catholicism is the closest thing to the truth, it’s not the full truth. I’ve read enough on this subject to know that Catholicism has some major holes in it.
I don’t receive my answers from a person, I receive my answers from God. Thanks, but no thanks.
Who is Bl Anne Catherine Emmerich? I have no idea who that person is. Is this an apparition?
I see…so God likes to play mind games with people. I know that’s not true, and you know that’s not true, but that’s what you’re making out God to be. If we’re talking about this on a logical scale, either God is a good and loving spirit and would do anything for his Creation, or God is like that of a bad boyfriend, someone who is manipulative and needs to be given proof that He’s loved instead of just trusting that his Creation loves him back. God’s not stupid….give Him a little bit of credit.
What kind of good Father allows something that is evil in a place called Paradise. I guess your phrase “God’s ways are not our ways” must be true, because I can’t imagine a Father who truly loves his creation (his sons or daughters) allow something bad to happen to them.
The example you give is like if God is like that of a Father, what kind of Father tells their child “Now don’t get candy from strangers, otherwise something bad could happen to you, like someone wants to kidnap you.” And, that same Father knows that when their child goes out to play in the front yard that there’s going to be a stranger who puts their window down in their car and says “Want some candy?” To their little boy or girl, and the Father knew that his son would take the piece of candy anyways, and they’d get inside the car and the stranger just drives off with the son or daughter and the Father just sits there and looks at it all happening and doesn’t even think to go after his son? No hueman Father would do that. Well, in The Bible, ok…so he tells Adam and Eve what’ll happen if they do eat of the tree, but the fact that God is all knowing is enough to put the blame on God. In fact, it seems like some sort of set-up and again, you and I both know that God doesn’t set people up. That’s not how love works…that’s a very warped version of love. I don’t worship a God that does that people…especially does that to people knowingly….
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Well technically all huemans are angels trapped in meat suits.
But animals/insects are still forms of consciousness, and as such still we should still respect them. I’m not saying we should allow these beings into our houses, but at the same time we shouldn’t kill them either, cause they are forms of consciousness after all. And I dunno if I would say they’re incapable of loving, in fact I would argue that animals could be arguably more loving than huemans honestly.
But you people always say “God has a plan for everyone.” Does that not imply predetermination/predestination?
Either God knows all or he doesn’t. He can’t be both at the same time…..
Wait…the Garden was Paradise correct? So what are you trying to say here? Are you implying that the Garden was a part of Earth? It was my innerstanding they were kicked out of Paradise and put on Earth. Something’s not making sense…\
Well, this is the current innerstanding of this story, but I disagree. I have a different interpretation of the Garden story personally, but it’s just based on what I’ve researched.
Yeah, I also like how he gave Satan power over this Earth. You know, you would think because He loves us so much that he’d give us somewhat of a fighting chance, but this enemy is invisible, and I’m not given a sword, or anything to hurt him with. I’m literally a sitting duck when it comes to this invisible malevolent being. You people say God is just, but I’m literally waiting for justice to appear in my life, cause all the people who have done me wrong are still walking this plane of existence scott free. So much for justice….
I agree.
Oh I see…so the more evil we are given, the more good can come from it. Got it. You should tell that to my Uncle, he gets judged night and day, had a failed marriage, got kicked out of his own house by his now ex, and he drinks his troubles away and chain smokes, and this is God’s Will (or plan) for my Uncle’s life? To just have evil constantly be allowed in his life so God can transform it? I mean, according to Catholics it’s on God’s time not our time. He’s been miserable for 60+ years, which is a good chunk of a huemans life, but I’m supposed to believe that something good can come from this, cause what I see is a very miserable and sad individual. And yet…through all of that, he praises and loves this God so much and he still goes to Church and even prays his rosary, and yet he just continues to suffer, because he honestly thinks that he’s getting into Heaven. No one should have to suffer on this plane of existance, and your God is doing nothing about any of it. How much longer must my Uncle suffer in order for us to see any good come from this? Cause 60+ years is a long time…and he’s not getting any younger.
Yeah, he knew all of this, but, he’s like the Father who just watches his little one get kidnapped and does nothing about it. I don’t think that’s love, that’s negligence, and Social Services wouldn’t be very nice to the Father. But since God answers to no one, and since God is so perfect, it’s all part of God’s plan right? I’ll believe that when pigs sprout wings.
Again, I’d rather not get my information from hueman beings, but it doesn’t surprise me. The Bible was written by men for mankind after all, and yet I’m supposed to trust 40 authors that I don’t know anything about, who lived in a different time, with different customs, and different cultures, and I’m supposed to just believe in these people? Not happening….they need to give me a reason to trust them, and they haven’t…..