Which do You believe about the Rapture?

Are you Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Post-Trib, Amillennial, or something else?

When I was dating my Wife, she attended a Brethren Church & they were really into Pre-Trib Rapture theology. I had never heard it before, so I was eating it up!

The “Left Behind” series was very big during that time (between the book series & the first movie coming out).

I later read, “Will Catholics be Left Behind” by Carl E. Olson and he dives into the history of these various dispensational views. Worth the read if you are interested in the end times.

No rapture for me, at least not anytime soon.

Peace to all,

Good question, Cade_One, and I have always never know how to attest for Catholicism that there will be no Rapture but I never knew and did not know how to logically, faithfully say it. And Thanks to Maria, The Miriam Mystic, the logic now becomes clear to me , I believe.

When Jesus says: ”1 will come only at the last hour,” He already refutes the opinion of millenarianists who mistakenly believe that He would come back on earth before the end of the world and physically rule for one thousand years.

At times sad, at times exalting; at times soul-searching, at times comforting; Jesus’ stirring dictations to Maria Valtorta are powerful prophecies, exhortations, rebukes, and teachings to shake us up, to show us our world for what it is, to enlighten our minds about public revelation and set our hearts on fire for God.

Jesus says:

“The first time My Father, to purify the earth, sent a cleansing by water;1 the second time He sent a cleansing by blood, and by what Blood! Neither the first cleansing nor the second has availed to turn the human beings into children of God. Now the Father is weary, and to make the human race perish He lets the chastisements of hell go wild, because human beings have preferred hell to Heaven, and their Ruler, Lucifer, torments them to make them blaspheme Us so as to make them completely his children."

“Circumcise your spirits with Me a much loftier and much more perfect circumcision! Yes, it takes away from your flesh those cells in which the deadly germs tie concealed, and inserts into you the Life which | am. Yes. it strips you of animality and clothes you with Christ. Yes. it binds you as children of the guilty Adam — and you too are guilty due to original sin and your own sins Yes. it hurries you in the Baptism and Confession of Christ, and revives you as children of the Most High.” Do not part from Me. Oh! t really will bring you to the Heavens if you remain part of Me. Bat since you are not wholly ‘heaven’ and some of Earth’s mud always remains in you, here goes, I even promise to you that you will not lack the Father’s blessing even on this mire of yours, | or the Father will be able only to bless His Son; ami if you remain in Me and if you pray with Me saying ‘Our Father’ just as I have taught you,M My Power will overshadow you so much that the Father will give you both the Kingdom of the Heavens, as asked for in the first part, and the daily bread and the forgiveness of sins, as asked for in the second."

“If you remain in Me, like babies in a mother’s womb, our Father will be able to see only the garment clothing you: Me, your Redeemer, the one begetting you for Heaven, His Son; and He will shower His graces onto His Son, the object of all His delights, for Whom He created, besides all things, also forgiveness and glory, for His Son’s joy, who wants you to be forgiven and glorious.”

“If you remain in Me, like babies in a mother’s womb, our Father will be able to see only the garment clothing you: Me, your Redeemer, the one begetting you for Heaven, His Son; and He will shower His graces onto His Son, the object of all His delights, for Whom He created, besides all things, also forgiveness and glory, for His Son’s joy, who wants you to be forgiven and glorious."

“I would come a second time to die, to save them from an even more atrocious death. But My Father will not allow it. My Love would allow it, but My Justice would not. He knows it would be useless. Therefore, I will come only at the last hour. But woe unto those who in that hour will see Me after choosing Lucifer as their lord! There will be no need of weapons in My angels’ hands to win the battle against the antichrists. My glance will be enough." Jesus’ stirring dictations to Maria Valtorta

Peace always,
Stephen

I find the rapture claims unconvincing. One will be taken and one will be left (Matthew 24). “Where, Lord?” the apostles ask. If one person is left in bed or in the field, why would they ask where the person would be left? I think they were asking where the other person would be taken, and the answer is “where the vultures gather.” That doesn’t sound like heaven.

Jesus warned that people will suddenly die with no time for repentance, such as the rich man who built bigger barns (Luke 12). If some people remain unrepentant after all the trials mentioned in Revelation, when their souls are required of them, where will they be taken? That might be what Christ was talking about in Matthew 24.

At Christ’s second coming, we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). Doesn’t this say that there will still be Christians alive when Jesus returns?

I would like it if all good Christians go to heaven before all the troubles described in Revelation, but I don’t see biblical evidence for that.

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Peace to all,

Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me .” Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die.

At Christ’s second coming, we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). Doesn’t this say that there will still be Christians alive when Jesus returns?

So true, LiteralMan, and logically what will the Clouds be?

His Angels.

Peace always,
Stephen

Water vapor and ice crystals, I suppose. That’s what I learned in meteorology class. Some translations say “air” rather than “clouds,” so my guess is that it simply refers to the sky.

So true, Literalman, the clouds will be his angels returning with him

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I never thought of this before :open_mouth:

It always seemed kind of a mundane thing to mention … “coming back with clouds”…? Clouds are an everyday thing so I’m not sure how that would be all that miraculous.

But if what you’re saying is referring to what Hebrews called “a cloud of witnesses” … then it makes so much more sense.

Thank you. I learned something new today.

I don’t know if your interpretation is the correct one, but it sounds so much more meaningful than what I envisioned.

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I’m not sure where I fall, Cade.

The millennial reign, as I understood it, always confused me. A great tribulation, followed by God’s reign on earth for a thousand years … a brief losing of Satan … and then an eternal kingdom from that point forward?

It sounds so back-and-forth and complicated. There’s a beautiful simplicity in believing the millennial reign is more metaphorical and happening currently.

Granted, I know, that just because something sounds “simple and clean” to my ears, doesn’t make it the truth. I’ll have to do more research on this topic to see where I land :thinking:

I DO think that the pre-trib rapture is the least credible … as Matthew 24 describes those “left behind” as being those left for the buzzards (the opposite of what those Left Behind movies imply).