RCIA/OCIA Order of Sacraments

I am in the process of converting from the Episcopal Church to the Roman Catholic Church. I have a valid trinitarian baptism that was accepted. As per the RCIA instructor my wife and I meet with monthly, I am to make my profession of faith and take communion at the April Vigil Mass.

The issue I have, is that I am in no way shape or form worthy enough to receive the Eucharist before going to confession and receiving absolution. I have pleaded with the instructor to allow me to make an appointment to confess, but he says I am unable to receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation until I am officially a Catholic. To me, since I made the decision to become Catholic wholeheartedly, this weighs on me. For my whole life I received communion as an Episcopalian and never thought twice about this, but ever since attending Catholic Mass all I can think about is how deeply I seek absolution because of my love and desire to be in communion with Christ when I take the Eucharist for the first time.

There are other people doing the structured OCIA program at our parish that have zero background in Christianity or have never been baptized. So, for them, the baptism at that mass will serve the purpose of cleansing their sin before they receive communion. However, I’m not being baptized, so where does that leave me? I would say, my entire life I have always practiced true repentance or perfect contrition through prayer…but is that enough if I know I am unworthy, or should a Priest allow me to take confession since I am validly baptized?

For the record, I absolutely love being Catholic (well soon to be Catholic); this is the absolute fulness of faith that I have been missing my entire life. I will say, however, that OCIA has been very frustrating at times. I do remedial workbooks, and write reviews of the Gospel from the mass we attend weekly and then submit them monthly to the instructor. I can honestly say that come April, there will have been zero difference in me making my profession of faith on that day, then it would have been for me to make the profession immediately in August when I started this journey with my family. I had already been studying Catholicism for a long time before making the decision, and once I had gone down that avenue, it was a no brainer. Additionally, the Episcopal Church (stemming from the Church of England which broke communion with King Henry then returned to communion with RCC under Queen Mary and then broke away again after her death) is extremely similar when it comes to liturgy and most of the Sacraments. The Eucharist at this point, just means so much to me, that I don’t know what the right course of action is?

Do I say, ok I’ll make my profession, but I’m crossing my arms one more time until I take part in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, or do I just trust in perfect contrition, take Communion and immediately schedule an appointment to confess asap?

It just cheapens the whole experience for me in April, I’ll feel as if I’m cheating because I’m carrying around burdens that I want freed. I did ask the Priest if I could just make my profession so I could confess and he referred me to the RCIA director. He is new to the parish and the RCIA director has been there for decades, so understandably I suppose he doesn’t want conflict. Thanks for any advice you have.

I mean, I’m not Catholic anymore….but you should be able to go to a different Parish and confess there. Don’t quote me on that, cause I’m not sure if you’re able to do that, but I would think you’d be fine doing that. Maybe someone who went through the RCIA can tell you?

Peace to all,

So true, through the logical formulas from the Wondrous Mysteries through the Catholic Faith the autonomy of the Holy Spirit to be able to stand before the Holy Family justified and self-righteous for all becoming again in all One Family. becoming Baptized becoming transformed into the Church of Christ becoming from Sacrifice through Penance in hearing the Words of Absolution from Confession we become forgiven and re-Sanctified and Confirmed for both natures from the spirit though the life becoming in Communion with the Holy Family again becoming again for all glorified and transfigured in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Know in your heart, time will come becoming into the Catholic Church logically for all becoming again in all One Family, I believe.

No hurry, no fear.

Welcome home.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Just my opinion: no way should you be discouraged from going to confession. I would explain the situation to a priest, and I think he would accommodate you.

A few years ago, I did volunteer work with an Episcopal Franciscan brother, and he told me that the Episcopal Church has confession. If you know of a “high” Episcopal church where you are, you might be able to go to confession there (though you might not want to mention why). Mother Seton, as you probably know, was Episcopalian and became Catholic and got shunned for it by her family, but that was about 200 years ago.

And another opinion, while I’m handing them out: none of us is worthy of Communion.

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Hi @Emmanuel and welcome to the forum!

It gives me joy to read that you are entering into full communion with the Catholic Church.

I am also sorry to hear that your experience in preparation has not been a good one.

@Literalman is right insofar as he says that you should not be discouraged from going to Confession, though I don’t endorse his suggestion of going to an Episcopal priest (since he lacks valid orders).

You should go to Confession to a Catholic priest. I don’t have an American OCIA book, but the Canadian one says that baptized adults should go to the Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation before they make the profession of faith and receive Confirmation and Holy Communion. (I assume this is in the USA ritual as well, since there is no note saying that this is unique to the Canadian situation.)

A Catholic priest should not hear the confessions of Episcopalians. But the fact that you are preparing to be received into the Church and that you share the faith of the Church around the sacraments means that you can do so.

My advice: make a Confession appointment with a priest in another Catholic parish. You don’t have to get the permission of your parish priest nor the OCIA director. Considering how they are handling things, you probably shouldn’t even tell them.

Please inform the priest either before your appointment or at the start of your Confession that you are preparing to be received into the Church.

May God bless you on your journey!

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Awesome!

Yes, we recognize the Baptisms of most Baptisms that use the valid words, proper matter, and understanding of the Holy Trinity (for instance the LDS have the first two, but do not have a proper understanding Trinity, which makes their Baptism invalid).

First, the fact that you are concerned about this is awesome! This might be a better questions for @CanadianPriest, as he would know better than I. I too would think that you would receive Reconciliation before receiving our Lord in the Holy Eucharist, especially in light of St. Paul’s warning in 1 Corinthians 11:27-32.

All true.

Our friend was in RCIA the same time my Wife was, but at different Parishes. Hers was more like school, whereas ours was more like a family. When it is more like school, I think it turns people off.

I can tell that you are frustrated. It reminds me of Fr. Augustus Tolton (the first former slave to be Ordained a Priest in the United States). If I had to give one word for what he went through to become a Catholic Priest, it would be patience. There were so many times where he could have have given up. So many road-blocks and dashed hopes, but he persevered and with the help of others, he eventually was accepted into a Seminary and later ordained. Venerable Tolton has not yet been declaired a Saint of the Church, but I believe it won’t be long that he is recognized. I have enjoyed reading about his struggle, because it gives me little to complain about. His faith is definitely inspiring. There are a few good books about his life. I have read Sr. Caroline Hemesath’s biography of Tolton. I also see Deacon Harold Burke-Sivers has released a book about the life of Fr. Tolton as well.

I do not doubt this. Your post is great and inspiring. The world is in a rush. We Catholic Christians like to slow things down (Advent/Lent/OCIA : )

This is great! I love this.

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Additionally, the Episcopal Church (stemming from the Church of England which broke communion with King Henry then returned to communion with RCC under Queen Mary and then broke away again after her death) is extremely similar when it comes to liturgy and most of the Sacraments.

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Yes, we share much in common with the Episcopal Church. Dr. Taylor Marshall used to be an Anglican Priest before he became Catholic.

Know that your situation is in my Prayers.

I’m pretty sure my Wife (who was in your very situation) received Reconciliation prior to receiving Holy Eucharist. It could be that your instructor is mistaken. I would bring your concerns to your Parish Priest. I know some are more laxed than others. Hopefully, he shares your concerns. I think a good Priest would.

Hang in there! There will be so much joy come Easter! Thank you for sharing your struggle. It could inspire others. Christ’s peace and God Bless.

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Peace to all,

To me logically, The Holy Spirit is the Family of God becoming again in all through The Mother from The Father for the Son becoming through the Christ for all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirt Family One God in being, OMNiLoigically.

Logically, truly faithfully, The Host is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Holy Family conceived alive and living through the Baptized Christ becoming in all mankind through both natures out of The Bosom of Abraham from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe, OMNiLogically.

As Fulfilled in the Faith of Abraham in and through two natures, we believe in the Gods of Powers preexisting and logically the Divine Family is three Gods From The Father through The Mother for The Son preexisting in Powers equally each God and separately Personal Gods in being and always together One Divine Spirit Family One God in being, I believe. Faithful Logical Abrahamic fulfillment is knowing the Mind of God preexisting from Creation through becoming transformation for becoming glorification becoming again glorified re-imaged transfigured in all creation One Divine Spirit Family One God in being, One God, I believe.

Becoming in Communion from Sacrifice through Penance forgives both natures from the Words of Absolution in Penance from Confession to The Priests becomes forgiven for both natures re-Sanctifies to be able to become from death resurrected glorified and transfigured.

Orthodox faithful Christianity is knowing the Mind of God preexisting from Creation through becoming transformation for becoming glorification becoming again transfigured in all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, One God, I believe. Speaking (Typing) in tongues is not incomprehensible. Logically by understanding rationally becoming from created failed becoming immortality transformed becoming Holy Spirit incorruption in One Two Nature Spirit and Flesh Body through the Christ becoming again in all creation One God, Family, I believe. Authentic Christianity to me is being able to see the Family of God preexisting in undefiled logical intelligence conceived through the flesh for Jesus Virgin Born becoming The Christ in all mankind becoming again in all creation One Holy Spirit Family in two natures, spirit and life in one Body through the Christ in all mankind becoming again in all creation One Holy Spirit Family one God in being, I believe. The Authentic Church needs all becoming into the Church Baptized becoming from failed corrupt spirit through mortal flesh becoming Baptized “Born Again as Catholic” through the living waters becoming sanctified spirit incorruption through the immaculate flesh to be able to become from death and resurrection glorified and transfigured “Saved as Catholic” in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe. The two Sacraments from Death to life are Baptism and Penance through the Flesh from the Spirit in the living waters becoming brothers and sisters for all through the Christ in all mankind immortalized through the New Eve becoming through the Christ in the New Adam from Sacrifice through Penance from the Words of Absolution given in Confession becoming forgiven and in Communion with Him Confirmed for all becoming for all Sons and Daughters of God becoming again in all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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I didn’t know that Episcopal priests’ holy orders are not accepted by the Catholic Church when they become Catholic. I’ve met a couple of Catholic priests who used to be Episcopalians, but I never heard them discuss the process of joining the Catholic Church.

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I just want to thank everyone for the amazing replies. I wrote a long email to my Parish Priest and deeply explained my concerns about taking Communion without Reconciliation. He almost immediately responded, and set up an appointment to meet with me this week. Hopefully, after we meet he shares what seems to be the consensus here in that I should take part in confession before my first Communion. Thank you to all again.

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Awesome! God is good & merciful!

Peace to all,

The Holy Family One God in being we know is not a UFO?

All the Popes and Priest and Preachers and World Leaders could ask? Where is Stephen now? OH, Hi Stephen. How does the Logical Mind of God work? The Faithful Holy Spirit becomes again in all Creation One God in being, OMNiLogically.

Muhammad is Right, One God.

And Stephen always goes like: The Mind of God “Ain’t no thinking thang, I believe.”.
Finite Disciplines can never understand Creation becoming statically unfailing timelessly fulfilled from faith through morality dymanically pulsing in two natures to His Passion loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Catholic logical rebirth is becoming immortality through The New Eve for Salvation in Sacrifice for Jesus in the New Adam becoming through The Christ from Sacrifice through Penance for all through the Christ in all becoming spirit incorruption becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

OMNiLogic dictates from the uncreated undefiled logical formulas unfailing in all cases following Him, Jesus through the pattern in undefiled preexisting logical intelligence, “What would Jesus do in all cases becoming through the Christ in all cases from the fulfilled faith and morality fulfilled with respect to the fulfilled faith and mortality becoming again in for all creation in One Holy Family?” Through the Wondrous Mysteries in the Catholic Faith from Abraham for all we become from the Holy Spirit Family in three Gods and Powers preexisting becoming immortally transformed Baptized in the New Eve from Holy Spirit Incorruption through two natures in all becoming glorified through the Christ from Sacrifice through Penance in hearing the Words of Absolution in Confession from the Priests becoming forgiven through the Penance re-Sanctified and Confirmed becoming glorified Sons and Daughtes of God in Communion with the Holy Family becoming again for all transfigured in all Creation in One Family.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Peace to all,

So true,

Peace always,
Stephen

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