Jesus, God the Son, makes it clear that Mary is not God when He instructed the apostles to baptize new Christians in the name of the Christian God, saying, “Baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”. He doesn’t include Mary’s name because She’s not God.
I never said that Scripture has the Holy Trinity all wrong.
Maria Valtorta and Pope Leo XIV have never said that Mary is God.
Jesus, God the Son, makes it clear that Mary is not God when He instructed the apostles to baptize new Christians in the name of the Christian God, saying, “Baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”. He doesn’t include Mary’s name because She’s not God.
I never said that Scripture has the Holy Trinity all wrong.
Peace to all,
I believe, unlike you Soul, that the Scripture has the Trinity wrong and I agree Pope Leo would agree with me logically the Holy Family is the Holy Spirit, OMNILogically.
The phrase “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” is the Trinitarian formula, and includes Mary as part of the unified Godhead, even though her name isn’t explicitly listed.
The baptismal formula:
The phrase from Matthew 28:19 is a Trinitarian formula, emphasizing the three co-equal persons of the Godhead.
Logically the Holy Family is the Holy Spirit conceived through the flesh of Jesus becoming the Christ in all mankind.
The Holy Spirit is the Family of God together with the Father and the Son always together with the Mother in a Holy Family. Pope Leo will not argue logically, neither would Maria Valtorta, I believe. Logically the Holy Family is three persons, The Father and The Mother and The Son in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. The Family of God preexists with a Mother always together with the Father and The Son in One Holy Family. Pope Leo XIV will agree logically, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
Jesus, God the Son, instructed the apostles to baptize new Christians in the name of the Christian God, saying, “Baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”. He doesn’t include Mary’s name because She’s not also God. And, you don’t have a quote by the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit calling Mary “God”, and you will never find one, because She’s not.
Pope Leo doesn’t say that Mary is also God, which means that he doesn’t agree with you.
Peace to all,
Is there just one logical and rational person reading this information? Other than Soul and Stephen? Other than Stephen?
I am not arguing the Faith of the Church, The Catholic Church states the Holy Spirit is a Person, faithfully. I am only logically stating rationally, The Holy Spirit is the Family of God from the Father for the Son together through the Mother in One Holy Family, literally, truely faithfully. Who today would leave the Mother of God out of the Holy Spirit Family of God One God in being?
The more we continue the faithful but logical debate the more people see the Holy Family is truely faithfully One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, and yet you refuse logically to see the valid logic that the Holy Family is the Holy Spirit Family preexisting.
Faithfully, I believe as the Church and that the Holy Spirit is a person, but logically I believe rationally The Holy Spirit is the Family of God from three powers and Gods preexisting as Personal beings equal in the Powers as God and separately God in the Powers and together One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, and Pope Leo should logically agree and believe also as a rational being, I believe. The Holy Family is the preexisting Family of God, OMNILogically.
Faithfully the Church says the Holy Spirit is a person and the Three Persons are One God, One Family, I believe. And faithfully Pope Leo logically “should” agree. The Holy Spirit as a Person came from the Didache, Tertullian and Praxaes from 1st and 3rd Century Forefathers definition of the Trinity Theology, I believe. Pope Francis would and shold agree as a rational person. And should any rational person, and anyone reading may confirm the logic as we speak, and thanks to all, thanks in advance to the logical and rational, please respond now.
Logically the Holy Family is the Holy Spirit Family of God One God in being. You would agree, logically and rationally, just as all rational beings, I believe and logically Pope Francis would also agree logically, I believe.
In all honesty, logically, Soul, you will never be able to define to me logically The definition of The Holy Spirit, other than the Church’s failed faithful understanding.
And even so, The Failed Catholic Trinity Faithful understanding is bound by the Moses seat, whether faithfully wrong or logically incorrect. Pope Leo should logically agree the Holy Spirit is the Family of God and Pope Leo believes through the Church, faithfully the Holy Spirti is a person. Pope Leo logically “should” also agree as a rational being, that The Holy Spirit is the Logical Family of God, through all generalizations, I believe, just as Pope Leo should, as being rational Pope. And we can always ask Him, I believe. Would he answer like you?
Some people always tell us who He is not, what isn’t really there, or What we can’t be or why He isn’t and what is really not. Or how it doesn’t work, Why it does not always never can not be.
The test becomes, Soul, for you to explain, then to us all, logically and faithfully correctly, “Who the Holy Spirit?” “is” so that even a child can understand, “The Mind of God.”
Logically we become again, One God, One Family, Maria Valtorta and Pope Leo should agree, and God bless them both always, I believe, argumented logically correctly with no other argument even possible.
Peace always,
Stephen
