"No Salvation Outside The Catholic Church"

[Cade_One]

Both Protestants and some Catholics misinterpret what this means and where this teaching comes from.

The phrase “No salvation outside the Catholic Church” comes from Cyprian of Carthage (a third-century Bishop and Christian Martyr). He was writing about the validity of Baptism administered by heretics (some who did not have a proper understanding of Jesus’ divinity).

So what do Catholic Christians believe? As was affirmed by the Early Church Councils and stated in Sacred Scripture, We believe in one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins & to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

We recognize most Christian Baptisms as being valid.

So, say you were Baptized in a Protestant Church who has a proper understanding of the Holy Trinity and of Jesus’ divinity, uses the proper formula (Father, Son & Holy Ghost), and proper matter (water, not Dr. Pepper), then you are a member of Christ’s body.

But, say you were Baptized in the LDS Church, you would need to be validly Baptized, because they have a heretical view of the Trinity, even though they use the proper formula (Father, Son & Holy Ghost) and proper matter (water, not Dr. Pepper : )

In another letter, Cyprian is addressing unity amongst Christians (like St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:10) & he draws a parallel between the waters of the Flood and the waters of Baptism (as does St. Peter in 1 Peter 3:20-21). Cyprian sees Noah’s Ark as a symbol of the Church.

If you were not in the boat, you were not saved. If you are not a member of Christ’s body, then you may not be saved. This is where “No Salvation Outside the Church” comes from. If you are validly Baptized and have faith, then you are in the boat. Make sense?

The difference between some Christians and Christians who hold to the Apostolic faith is that we believe that we truly become members of Christ’s mystical body when we are Baptized. We believe that Christ is truly freeing us from sin and making us spiritually clean.

Baptism is like a Wedding (vows are exchanged). More and more individuals today view Marriage as a man-made institution and not necessary. Most Christians rightfully believe Marriage was instituted by God. God’s first Covenant with man was in the context of Marriage (Adam & Eve).

Jesus compares His relationship with the church as that of a Husband & Wife. You can love someone without getting Married. You can love Jesus without getting Baptized, but Jesus offers us a deeper relationship with Him.

Can you love and talk to someone outside of being Married to them? Yes. Can you encounter Christ and love Him and not get Baptized? Sure. Is this what God had intended? For man to be alone, jus He and God? The beginning of the Bible tells us this isn’t God’s plan.

Can you yell from one boat to somebody in another boat? If they are close enough. If their boat is so far from the original boat that Christ built, then probably harder to understand one another.

The Catholic Church teaches that anyone, through no fault of their own, may be saved, even though they may not have received Christ fully. Can God make exceptions? Yes. Does God make exceptions? Yes.

The Thief on the cross is a perfect example of someone who encountered Christ, and was (presumably) not Baptized. And yet, Jesus tells this man that He will be saved. So can and does God make exceptions? We know He does.

Sometimes Catholic Christians get slammed for saying that God can even save individuals who have never heard of Jesus, but this is what we believe. We are not God. God is God. We are not to be the judge of who is saved and who is not saved. We leave the judging of souls up to Him.

Hope this helps : )

[StephenAndrew]

Peace to all,

So true, Cade_One, Salvation is not only for Catholics, salvation is for all faiths, I believe.

Faithfully Catholics understand salvation is what the Church says from the Pope through the Moses Seat but logically The Mind of God become from a Family of Gods preexisting becoming alive and living through both natures from the spirit through the life in One Body becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.

Catholics believe faithfully that all mankind becomes into the Catholic Church Baptized becoming reborn flesh nature immortality from Holy Spirit incorruption becoming One Sanctified Body in two natures through The New Eve into The Catholic Church.

LDS see the Holy Spirit as The Family and not as a Person, Logically. Catholic Theology sees the Holy Spirit as a Person and leaving out the Mother of God in the Trinity of Powers where Mary is and has always been, together always, Mary who is always been in One Holy Family One God in being always together with the Father and The Son in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

Catholics logically have to be able to see The Holy Spirit as The Family of God One God in being becoming for all mankind created From the Father transformed through the Mother for the Son becoming through the Christ for all manking becoming again for all Creation glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiRationally, faithfully, trusted and verified through the undeflied logical formulas in The Wondrous Mysteries of the Catholic Faith unfailingly becoming again in all One Family One God in being, really, truthfully.

OMNiLogically, Salvation outside of the Catholic Church is through Purgatory for all through no fault of their own do not yet know the Holy Family and have not hurt their fellow man or maid servant. They will become to know the Family Of God from The White Hot Fires of Mercy through Divine Love in Purgatory, I believe.

Catholic Talk is becoming logically for all becoming again in One God in being OMNiLogically through two natures from the spirit through the life from three Gods in being preexisting in Family Powers and Personal Gods in One Holy Family One God in being becoming alive and living in all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through all generalizations from The Faith of Abraham, I believe.

The Christ Body is The Spiritual Marriage for all Mankind is from Mary in the Immaculate Conception through the Power of the Holy Spirit Family in the Eternal Priestly Authority for Jesus in the New Adam becoming through The Christ for all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.

The Autonomy of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being is becoming justified and self-righteous from the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries in The Catholic Faith to be able to stand transformed immortally and spiritually incorruptible and Sanctified before the Family of God to be able to become again glorified and transfigured for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Logically rebirth is through the New Eve for all Baptized becoming immortality through Holy Spirit Incorruption for all and salvation is Virgin Born for Jesus in the New Adam becoming through The Christ for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.

We are Created failed from the spirit for the created souls of all through the created failed mortal flesh of Adam and Eve and We become from Baptism through the living waters for the created souls of all becoming immoral flesh from the Power of the Incorruptible Holy Spirit Family One God in being through the New Eve into the Catholic Church.

We first become brothers and sisters for all from “Catholic Rebirth” through the New Eve, i believe.

Co-Redemption is flesh nature rebirth from Holy Spirit Incorruption for all Baptized for Rebirth through the living waters for all mankind from Mary for all becoming Baptized becoming transformed brothers and sisters in all mankind through Mary from the living waters through transformed immortal flesh from the power of the Holy Spirit becoming for One Body for all in the New Eve.

Mary’s Co-Redemptive Role in Salvation is through flesh natue rebirth for all mankind reborn, and Catholics believe faithfully that all mankind becomes into the Catholic Church Baptized becoming reborn flesh nature immortality from Holy Spirit incorruption becoming One Sanctified Body in two natures through The New Eve into The Catholic Church.

There are two Sacraments from death to life Baptism and Penance, from the living waters in Baptism through The Blood of God from Sacrifice becoming again is for all through The Christ in both natures from the incorruptible spirit through the immaculately immortal life becoming for all Creation in One Body of Christ for all becoming again glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

And for “Salvation” we become Sons and Daughters of God for Jesus in the New Adam from Sacrifice in Penance forgiven through The Christ, I believe.

And Co-Redemption is from Sacrifice through Penance becoming Salvation for all becoming Sons and Daughters of God From the Immaculate Conception for Jesus Virgin Born in the New Adam becoming through The Christ for all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind re-Sanctified through the Words of Absolution from Confession in Penance becoming forgiven becoming in Communion with Him Confirmed and re-Sanctified through Holy Spirit incorruption for resurrection to be able to become again from death for all creation transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

Gods in The Holy Family are all Gods, Mary is God and always together with The Father and The Son and Gods, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

[Literalman]

@Cade_One

Cyprian sees Noah’s Ark as a symbol of the Church.

If you were not in the boat, you were not saved

St. Peter wrote that baptism corresponds exactly to the way people were saved in the ark.

I don’t disagree with what you wrote, Cade, but the plain sense of “no salvation outside the Catholic Church” implies that only Catholics will be saved, and some Catholics believe this, even if it’s not what the Church means by it.

[EarthsStudent]

I respectfully disagree. I cannot see how God can condemn anyone to a place of torment and suffering at the end of their life. Most people I know don’t desire Hell, and most people I know try their best to be good. A good Father would never desire for their child to be tormented, much less suffer for the rest of their life (or in this case, afterlife).

It would be like throwing a baby in a dumpster and just leaving it there. The baby hasn’t had enough experience to know what is truly right or truly wrong just yet. Well, in a similar way, that’s how I view people. Cause, I truly believe there are some people out there who believe they aren’t doing anything wrong, when really they are. Where do those people go? Are those people given any mercy? Is God merciful?

I just have a hard time believing that a God of love would condemn people to a place of eternal torment and suffering. It just doesn’t make sense to me.