I remember in school the Protestant Students professed born arain and saved, and I felt a little out, for I could not respond.
Welcome, StephenAndrew! I am a cradle Catholic who came to know Jesus intimately through the charismatic renewal nearly 50 years ago. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and was overwhelmed by His love, power, peace, and joy. Once you have experienced Him personally, there’s no going back to a dull, boring life. Just ask Him, He will do the same for you. Born Again, Spirit-filled Catholic? Yessir!
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Born again and saved yes. Born again from the cross when jesus told us to take home his mother. Disciple behold your mother. We were there at the cross. We take her home as John did the disciple. Whom he loved the most is us all of his disciples. The disciple he loves the most is us. And saved by the blood of god, the host The blood from heaven for it returns from where it came.
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K, we are reborn by the waters of baptism, when an indelible mark of the Holy Spirit is placed upon our soul “unto the day of redemption,” as Holy Scripture says.
The common non-Catholic version is a simple mental assent to Christ being Lord, us being sinners, and Him dying for our sins, then us “accepting” His forgiveness.
These are distinctly different. One is a sacrament for starters, with no outward sign. Sola fide-saved by faith alone.
Here’s where I’ll pose a question:
When we stand before God for judgment, do you reckon we’ll be judged on what we believed and assented to, or on what we DID in this life?
I believe we’ll be judged on the latter. I also do not believe in being saved by mental assent
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Peace to all,
The logical parable of Born again and Saved is in Creation as mortal and corrupt from Adam and Eve and becoming transformed sanctified as Baptized in immortality and incorruptibly through The Body of Christ and The New Eve and Confirmed re-Sanctified through Communion and Sacrifice and Penance becoming glorified through transfiguration into the image of the Creator, God, The Father by the Power of The Holy Spirit.
In logic, The First Coming of the Body is in Baptism from mortal and corrupt from the Bodies of Adam and Eve, to becoming sanctified immortality and incorruptibility in the Body of Christ as Baptized.
And in logic, The Second coming of The Christ is through Communion and Confirmation re-Sanctifying the Spirit through Penance and Sacrifice for atonement and absolution to restore the sanctification of the soul becoming united as one in being together with The Father and The Son, glorified and transfigured.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
New convert here but born again Christian for most of my life. I have felt the call of the Holy Spirit all of my saved life, but I decided to convert during mass a year and a half ago. I was so surprised because according to Protestants, Catholics worshipped Mary! That pull during that mass service was SO STRONG and then I knew what I had been missing I’m going through OCIA and will be confirmed Easter!
Perichoresis is a theological term that describes the relationship between the three persons of the Trinity: from the Father through the Mother for the Son in all becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again the Holy Spirit Family of the One God in being. It’s a Greek word that means “rotation” or “circumincession”.
Peace to all,
To me, rationally, The Holy Spirit is the Family of God preexisting before creation was ever created was even created in the powers of the universe from created, becoming transformed and becoming again glorified and transfigured One God in being One Holy Spirit Family, from The Father through the Mother for the Son becoming The Christ in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically.
From the Father all beings are created failed from the corruptible spirit through the souls of all for the mortal flesh to become and become again rationally. Logically we are “Born again” Baptized becoming Sanctified transformed immortality through the New Eve in the Catholic Church and from the Christ, the Holy Spirit Family of God Confirmed re-Sanctified in the flesh of Jesus, the New Adam “Saved” from Sacrifice through Penance becoming again glorified and transfigured in all mankind One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Forefathers of the Trinity have always missed the mark in understanding the Logic of the Trinity, to me.
Logically, before creation, making The Trinity persons in being all Gods, each Gods and separate and equal in the powers as Gods and together One God and Holy Spirit Family in being. To me logically, Mary was with the Father and the Son and existed in fulfilled intelligence logic before creation was ever created was even created in One Holy Spirit Family as The Word together, even before creation.
The logical Co-Redemptive powers of salvation come from created by the Father From Adam Eve through the Immaculate Conception we become transformed and reborn into immortality through the immaculate flesh from the New Eve and through the Virgin Birth of the New Adam, The Christ in all mankind we are glorified and transfigured, saved becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
To me this is the “Real Born again and Saved,” the personal relationship, born again saved as Catholic logically and rationally and what I call, OMNILogically Becoming again for all in One God.
Mary is logically the First Christ on earth from the Annunciation, “Yes Lord, let not my will but Your Will be done to me,” becoming the first person on earth in the Mind of God and the Will of the Father through the First Christ in the New Eve’s Immaculate Flesh and Immaculate Conception for the Virgin Birth of Her Son Jesus becoming the “First Christ Reborn” back to Heaven in all mankind for all becoming again One Holy Spirit One God in being.
In the beginning was the Word. The Holy Spirit Family and One God in being, from the Spirit.
And the Word was with God, The Father, The Mother and The Son.
And the Word is God. The Father, The Mother and The Son, becoming again through both natures, from The Holy Spirit Family and through Life for all in One Holy Spirit One God in being.
Romans 11:36​
36 For from him, The Father and through Her, Mary and for him, Jesus are all things. To him, The One Holy Spirit Family One God in being be the glory forever! Amen.
Here quite possibly, we see they missed the gender translation rationally in Romans, to me.
In logic and rationale, The Forefathers of the Trinity missed the relationship when they could not see The Mother in the Trinity and missed also on logic seeing the Holy Spirit as a person. Failure in understanding The Trinity continues to this day until we see Mary as preexisting, Queen of Heaven, God of Mercy, Mother of God and Our Sister through the New Eve.
To me logically, The Holy Spirit is the Family of God Jesus is conceived by The Holy Spirit Family becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again, Ony Holy Spirit Family One God in being, logically and rationally.
Rationally, to me, The personal relationship to Jesus is we are all Brothers and Sisters, all mankind through the Spirit and life, both natures, of God, and we are created by Our Father delivered through the New Eve and Our Mother in the Holy Spirit and Our Sister through the immaculate flesh becoming the Christ, becoming again, One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Forefathers of the Trinity have always missed the mark in understanding the Logic of the Trinity, to me.
Peace always,
Stephen
I believe it will be both/and. “For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” — James 2:26
Jesus said that we will be judged by our works (Matthew 25) and also that people will be condemned for not believing in the Son of Man (John 3:18).
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Thank you for these other references. You are on it tonight : )
Exactly-it takes faith AND works because of that faith. Works without faith are empty.
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Peace to all,
Choice became to Angels souls and without flesh the spirit cannot be Baptized for the souls without the flesh, through death and resurrection to become again. And there is no good works from Sacrifice through Penance without flesh. Without flesh the angels could not eat the Host, they had no mouths to confess and no ears to hear the words of Absolution from Penance needed to be done for forgivness to become again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. This is how flesh saves the Angels, through The Christ.
The angels knew of the becoming power of flesh in Heaven.
Peace always,
Stephen
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