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In the 90’s, my Mom was really into NDE’s and I read a couple books in High School of stories from individuals who claim to have had such experiences. They were inspiring and fascinating. Do I believe they prove the Catholic Faith?
Jimmy Akin did a few episodes on this topic and gives examples of Catholic and non-Catholic experiences. If you are interested, here are a couple of the episodes.
- Christianity & Near Death Experiences
- Do Angels and Demons Appear in Near Death Experiences?
- Back from Hell? (Negative NDEs)
- Do People See Non Christian Gods in Near Death Experiences?
- What Are Good Resources to Learn About Near Death Experiences?
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As far as those NDEs, I’ve seen some testimonies of NDEs of encountering those in Hell. But the Hell from those testimonies does not have any Lake of Fire at all. At the same time, it is Not paradise either because the Hell-stranded person lives a very primitive life—for example, in a cave. No luxuries, no electronics, no modern conveniences. Under such circumstances, life would be a struggle, especially for those who are used to modern conveniences. But at least there would be No agony from fiery torment at all. Instead just a struggle of primitivism bereft of modern conveniences.
No phone, no lights, not motorcar—not a single luxury! (That’s from the theme song of Gilligan’s Island, a silly 1960s TV comedy about shipwrecked people.) However, my understanding is that the resurrection will happen when Christ returns, and that everybody in hell and almost everyone in heaven doesn’t have a body right now. The new earth and the lake of fire are after the resurrection, I think.
Peace to all,
In the movie the Host says, Death can never be explaines and he is logically all wrong, and in a good way, I believe. He just does not have my phone number, but in a good way we are here together today, I believe. Hi everyone, how is all? Everybody goes like, Stephen Andrew again…Hi. I know.
The point of death can only be explained logically, from the spirit never dying through the flesh dying becoming again through two natures “In The Christ” from the God from the Faith of Abraham becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.
Surly you will never die is both the lie and the truth? How can this even be? Easy, because Only Logically can we understand the Mind of God becoming again for all Creation in One God in being A Family, OMNiLogically. We never die of the Spirt only to become again through the flesh becoming transformed glorified and transfigured for all Creation becoming again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Jesus said, “What is is to you if he should remain alive until I return, you must follow me.” Disciples never die awaiting in the Bosom of Abraham only to see Jesus return from the Spirit through the Flesh “In The Christ” in the Upper Room, Thomas goes like, “My Lord and My God!” Do you see now? OMNiLogically? Really and faithfully Doubting Thomas is no more doubting Thomas, and I too believe, He has already returned!
Becoming again is Holy Spirit Family re-imaging for all from transfiguration for all through the flesh becoming again from the spirit which never dies because the spirit never dies but the mortal flesh does and becomes immortally transformed becoming from death through resurection for life in two nature from the incorruptible spirit through the immaculately imortal life “In The Christ” becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Transfiguration becoming One Family One God in being is the becoming again from the Second Coming through the Christ has already happened.
Logically Catholics do not believe is a final tribulation or a 1000 year period. Jesus has already returned and there is no need for The Christ coming back, rationally. It is already Finished, we already logically know, intrinsically, faithfully.
Jesus has already returned in the upper room, John 20:20, already reopened the Gates from the cross. Dismas is with Him the Gates are already reopened through the Flesh fro teh spirit through Mary for Jesus becoming “In The Christ” for all mankind in One Body now in both Natures. The Second Coming is The Resurrection and has already happened through the created flesh from the spirit for the created souls of all becoming again for all through death becoming transfigured again for all in One Family One God in being. The First becoming is from Animal Sacrifice for all awaiting in the Bosom of Abraham from the Ark of the Old Covenant. The Second Coming is through the flesh from the spirit “in the Christ” for all Out of the Bosom of Abraham becomng again Oen God in being A Family. The Bosom of Abraham is emptied and the Chasm of Death has been closed forever, what power what strength, through The Flesh of “In The Christ” is great indeed.
All mankind is created becoming from dust through ribs, logicaly, faithfully.
Creation becomes from Animal Sacrifice through Adam And Eve Spirit for Spirit Salvation awaiting for all in The Bosom of Abraham.
The First becoming is through the Christ from The New Eve for The New Adam in the New Living Sacrifice for all Secondly becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Second Coming is becoming again and already happened because we will already never die through the Christ for all in the Transfiguration from Death through life becoming again and already happened becoming again already happened from death through resurrection for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Creation Opens the Bosom of Abraham in the first becoming of the Christ from Adam and Eve from the spirit salvation to the Bosom of Abraham from Animal Sacrifice awaiting the Second Coming through the Flesh of The Christ through the Host for all mankind becoming again One God in being through transfiguration in One Family One God in being.
The Second Coming of the Christ is through the Host, The New Living Sacrifice Out of the Bosom of Abraham for all becoming again transfigured in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
The Transfiguration becoming One Family One God in being is the becoming again from the Second Coming through the Christ already happened.
Jesus has already returned and is not coming again, no need, it is finished already. He already said from the Cross, I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen
Stephen, when I grow up, I wanna be just like you. You cracked me up with your opening sentences there LOL!
Sorry, I should have been more explicit. I meant the resurrection of all the dead on the last day, mentioned in the Gospel (for example, when Martha said to Jesus that she knew that her brother Lazarus would rise on the last day) and elsewhere in the Bible.
Lazarus From the Gospel of John
Jesus Raises Lazarus From the Dead
38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”
Lazarus from The Gospel of Luke
"There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
"Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
"Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ "
Literalman is that the same Lazarus Jesus brought back from the dead or is this a different Lazarus?
Sorry, I’m not trying to put you on the spot or anything, I was just curious. I don’t remember Martha having a brother. I read The Bible and study it but sometimes I forget certain things…
Yes, his sisters were named Mary and Martha. Jesus waited till Lazarus was dead before going to their town. When He arrived, He said to Martha that Lazarus would rise again. Martha said she knew that Lazarus would rise again on the last day. This is in the Gospel of John, chapter 11.
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Ok…that’s what I thought. Thanks!
My conviction (which may not go down well speaking to Catholics), although I do respect the Catholic faith…….is that all classical religions are based on the same metaphysical axiomatic truth, viz., that there are two energies within God’s creation.
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Material energy: (comprised of the elements of the periodic table). These elements are not conscious. Dead matter. And no combination of these elements in the laboratory can produce conciousness.
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Spiritual energy: Spiritual energy is alive……..and can never die. Spiritual energy is conscious.
When the spiritual energy is inside a material body…….it runs around. Just like, when a man is inside a truck, the truck appears to be live. But when he leaves the truck, it stands still. the living force inside makes the body appear to be “alive”. As soon as the spiritual energy leaves the material form or container……the container begins to compost and return to the earth. Scripture describes the process as, “Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.”
Therefore the basic axiomatic understanding of all religions (except Buddhism which is atheistic) is: “I am not this body. I am eternal spirit soul.”
The empirical “scientist” cannot see spirit through his microscope. Therefore he rejects the concept of spirit. He is thinking that life is a “mature combination of material elements”, and that he will produce life in the laboratory. He cannot do it……..but he says, “We are working on it.” This is a post-dated check that will never be cashed.
When one has an NDE, near death experience, the soul leaves the body. E.g. one may be under anesthesia, on the table in a hospital operating room. If he leaves his body, he can see everything that is going on in the room. He can see his body on the operating table. He can hear the doctors discussing, watch them cutting etc.
Other souls go much further. They leave the hospital. They enter other dimensions, spiritual dimensions. They may see the souls of departed relatives. They may meet Jesus. They may receive instructions about what to do when they return to their body on earth, what to preach, etc.
Yogis voluntarily engage in what is called “astral projection”. They can wander in their subtle body comprised of mind, intelligence, etc., and then return to their body at will.
Different religions have been trying to capitalize on this phenomema by creating false stories (on you tube) of individuals who have left their bodies, and gone to hell, where they saw Mohammed in hell…….things of that nature. This kind of story-telling is nothing more than a hate crime.
The bottom line is that near death experience is proof of all religions that postulate the fact that we are eternal spirit souls. We are not these material bodies. In this way God is giving us little hints in order to increase our faith. People who have these experiences ……….their faith becomes unshakable…….they no longer fear death…….because they understand that they are eternal.
God is not Catholic. Nor is He Muslim. Nor is He Jewish. Nor is God Hindu. different teachers come to our planet at different times, to different cultures, and teach in terms of what a local culture can absorb and apply. Just like, Jesus says in the New Testament, “There is so much more that I could tell you about the spiritual reality…..but you are not ready to hear of such things at this time.” (paraphrase). He actually said at different times, “How long do I have to relate to you people who are so faithless?” (paraphrase). “Oh ye of little faith……”.
So these near death experiences can give us a little encouragement. And other people will reject all of this……because they are not ready to hear of such things. But it is not proof of one religion or another. It is proof of what all religions are telling us, “We are eternal spirit souls. We are not these material bodies. The consciousness of the spirit is now so identified with the material container, that we are thinking that the purose of life is to gratify our material senses. This is called being a servant of “mammon”. The symptom of one who is actually coming closer to God is that he will appear very austere. But actually, he is not austere. He is experiencing the pleasure of the spirit, which makes him detached from the shallow pleasures of the flesh.”
The God from the Faith of Abraham is a two nature.God becoming from the spirit through the flesh transforming nature’s becoming equal heirsi n the kingdom through the temple of The Christ for all becoming glorified becoming again in one holy spirit family one god in being.
Peace always,
Stephen
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Near death experiences have scientifically been proven to happen on the brain level in its entirety. There are also many near death experiences not involving Jesus, catholicism, or anything of the sort
I think when you have a NDE, that you are shown what you need to be shown at that moment. Cause, it’s near death but it’s not dying, cause you come back. So, whenever you have one, you are shown what you need to be shown. There’s no such thing as luck or coincidence. Everything is by design, and so, when you are shown a near death experience, you are given information that is relevant and pertinent to you.
To you, but to help others!
NDEs happen in completely brian-dead people: no bloodflow, no electric activity. True, not all experiences involve Jesus, but all of those going to heaven experience one God of Love (not those falling in hell but rescued when asking for God’s help).
I forgot about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke chap. 16). It was clearly before the general resurrection on the last day, because the rich man’s family was alive on Earth. But he was tormented in flames. This being a parable, I think that Lazarus and the rich man were characters but not necessarily actual people, but I’m sure Jesus would not have mentioned flames if such torment did not await the rich man or someone like him.
Yes, I agree with Peter that NDE is NOT limited to Catholicism but also encompasses Islam and Hinduism. And even though Buddhism is agnostic but the Tibetan-Buddhism documents the Bardo experience which is the twilight or TRANSITIONAL dimension between previous and future Reincarnations.
completely brain dead people never come back to life. there has never been such a case. brain dead means you are dead. done. you are not coming back.