May blood be upon us/you" What does it mean?

Matthew 27:25

Acts 18

Two times its used (Or from memory i know of)

1: Pharisees who condemned Jesus to death said this as a way to accept responsibility of his death

2: A rebuke Apostle Paul says when abusive Jews in synagogue is being bad to Paul.

However…. isn’t this sort of a good thing? Since we are saved by the blood of Jesus? So isn’t it… a polite way to tell a person to get a grip. Or maybe i am wrong.

Just wondering what you think? I guess it sounds mean at first, but when i think of it. It doesn’t sound all that bad. It just means, act better interms of “Freedom in Christ”

Peace to all,

Baptism transforms becomIng immortality from Holy Spirit incorruption for the created souls of all through the flesh becoming through the new eve for Jesus in the New Adam, becoming the Christ from Sacrifice in the Blood of God through Penance in all mankind becoming again for all Creation one Holy Spirit family One God in being, I believe.

The New Living Sacrifice is the host, the body, blood soul, and divinity of God and God always says.“I will always choose the living sacrifice.”

Peace always,
Stephen

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Matthew 27:25 - it was just an idiomatic way of saying that they (the crowd who clamoured for Jesus’ crucifixion) accepted responsibility for what they were doing. I don’t believe it has any theological implications, or some learned doctor of the Church would already have uncovered it.

Unfortunately, though, this text has been used as an excuse for anti-Semitism and has also given rise to the spurious medieval belief that ‘the Jews’ had rites that needed to use Christian blood.
See the Wiki article - Blood curse - Wikipedia - which argues that St Matthew may have intended to differentiate the Christian community from the Jews and/or that it may have reference to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.

The legend of ‘the blood curse’ - utterly false - in its turn let to pogroms and atrocities against the Jewish people.

After the Second World War, anti-Jewish racism died down a bit - I’m sorry to see that it’s reared its head again recently with the war in Gaza.

Catholics are the last people who should hold anti-Semitic views, since Jesus, Mary & Joseph were all Jewish, and God the Father ‘chose’ the Jews to seed the faith, as testified in the Old Testament.

The idea of all Jews being bad is pretty lazy to think for sure.

Sure i think “Neil Druckmann” is a guy i personally don’t care much for. But the director and writers behind Deus Ex 2000 game seems pretty rad!

But i wonder. How many interpretations is it of this? Since.. there has to be some other ways to interpret this, than just a “Blood curse”? . Or i assume its due to someones actions and not their lineage. Which is why Paul rebuked those bad jews in Acts 18 since they acted repulsive.. which isnt the same as neutral or good jews i think.

But yeah it sounds bad when you say it like that.

Since Jesus explicitly prayed that all those involved in his death should be forgiven because ‘they know not what they do’, I don’t see that anybody should interpret the verse as a curse on all or any of the Jews. St Matthew is the most Jewish of the gospels, and not only Jesus, Mary & Joseph were Jews, but also St Paul, the twelve apostles, St John the Baptist, St Mary Magdalene et al.

Traditionally, Catholics should imagine that they are as guilty as anyone of putting Jesus to death - see St Alphonsus Liguori, The Stations of the Cross,
‘My ADORABLE JESUS, it was not Pilate; no, it was my sins that condemned You to die. I beseech You, by the merits of this sorrowful journey, to assist my soul on its journey to
eternity.’

Peace to all,

Intelligence logic dictates the Mind of God become flesh in One Body of Christ for all becoming through two natures from the spirit through the life becoming in the Baptized Transformed Christ and from Sacrifice and in Penance becoming forgiven through the Host, the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Holy Spirit Family One God in being becoming in all glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family fulfilled from Faith through Morality becoming through both natures from The Incorruptible Holy Spirit through The Immaculate Conception becoming through the Christ for all becoming again in all One Holy Family, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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That’s right, I believe. The crowd did claim responsibility for Christ’s death and wanted the blame placed on their children too (how unfair to the children!). Some people’s response was evidently to go ahead and blame them and their children, but Isabel is right that forgiveness is the response that Jesus taught us, not to mention that our own sins are responsible. I wouldn’t let Pilate off the hook, though. :wink:

As for the Jews in Jesus’s time, someone asked Father Richard Simon (who wrote as Reverend Know-It-All, a joking name) why the apostles were afraid of the Jews if they were Jews themselves. Father Simon’s opinion was that “the Jews” referred to rabbinical Judaism, which he said was established in the Babylonian exile, when the Jews didn’t have access to the temple. He said that the Hebrew word for “Jew” appeared very few times in the Old Testament. (I understand also that “Jew” and “Judaism” applied in particular to the tribe of Judah even though nowadays the words are used to refer to all people of Hebrew descent.) His opinion was that the synagogues and rabbis (not all of them bad) and especially the Pharisees were the new thing in Israel and Judah since the exile, and the Jews the apostles were afraid of were these people.

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Peace to all,

The Exodus is from Egypt through the Hebrews picked to carry the Ark of the Old Covenent to the Tomb of Jerusalem through the “Chosen” Living Sacrifice of animals for the salvation of spirits only, awaiting in The Bosom of Abraham for the coming of the Christ through the flesh, I believe, OMNiLogically.

Gods become alive and live in all mankind through created flesh, from only dust, logically.

How can this be? Where is Stephen? And Stephen goes like, “Oh, Right here, Hi all, right here, How is everyone today? Fine here, and I am thinking, OK, Only OMNiLogicaly can we understand the Mind of God becoming again in all One God in being, I believe.”

From the God of Abraham through the logical formulas of the Wondrous Mysteries in the Catholic Faith spirits becoming incorruptible from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven and Flesh becomes immortalized from the living waters of Baptism for two nature rebirth and salvation becoming One Body through the Christ in all mankind.

The New Temple is from the Power of The Incorruptible Pre-existing Already Before Creation Became Holy Spirit Family One God in being conceived in created the flesh for all mankind becoming through the Immaculate Immortal Sanctified Transformed Flesh from The Incorruptible Spirit of the New Eve from the Annunciation becoming for Jesus in the New Adam becoming through The Christ, The New Temple in all mankind becoming again for all Creation glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God One Promise Land in being a Family, OMNiLogically.

Ok, I think I have it now? What’s missing?

Peace always,
Stephen

He was referring to the exile in Babylon, not the exodus from Egypt.

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The First and Second Jewish Temples in Jerusalem do not physically exist as buildings today; they were destroyed centuries ago, but the platform they stood on, the Temple Mount, remains, featuring the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa Mosque, with the Western Wall (Wailing Wall) as the last remnant of the Second Temple’s retaining wall, serving as Judaism’s holiest prayer site.

What Happened to the Temples?

  • First Temple: Built by King Solomon, it was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE.
  • Second Temple: Rebuilt after the Babylonian exile, expanded by King Herod, it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE during the Jewish-Roman War, an event marking a profound shift in Jewish history and practice.

Peace to all,

The New Living Sacrifice is The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Holy Family One God in being becoming through The Blood of God transforming, glorifying and transfiguring all by contact of all or even any of the senses becoming again for all in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. OMNiLogically.

The Temple for all is through the Christ, from the Power of The Divine Spirit Family One God in being becoming again for all in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. The New Promise Land is the New Heaven and Earth becoming transformed becoming glorified becoming through both natures becoming again transfigured for all in One Family, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen