Homosexuality: Religion vs Atheism

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Well i was watching

Simpsons Season 8 Episode 15

Old American Cartoon TV series. That still is airing to this date. Well the idea is, Homer on a cultural level gets weirded out by a friend who is homosexual. Well ex Friend perhaps.

But, its likely going into the psychology of paranoia.

But in the Bible it does mention to greet each other with a Holy Kiss. (However, to avoid scandals this has likely been banned, and replaced with a hand shake).

Overall, i think homosexuals have been what you can say… the scapegoats of sin.

I think studying Galatians 5:13-26, watching the movie Face/Off 1997 movie and possibly Jade Cocoon PS1 intro. Kinda gave me a better understanding of… sinful nature vs transformative sinless nature.

It goes more into the idea of, transforming your very existance to a less corrupt mindset.

But culturally. Homosexuals have been sort of the scapegoat in society of “Literally to blame”. Sort of a, “Letter of the Law” almost. Rather than the “Spirit of the law”. Or as the saying goes “People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones”. Personal flaws etc. Rather, helping people and overall acting like a good person, is likely the way to go. While also trying to avoid the errors that we experience in our life.

Now i aint trying to suggest we should take morals from Moral Relativist works of fiction.

I guess the only blame could go, to the fact that Communists and Liberals (Atleast culturally, and historically has been pushing massively on the anti religious front.) Take for example, why “J R R Tolkien” supported Franco of Spain, few examples.

But let me know what you think?

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Peace to all,

The Universal Church celebrates the Memorial of St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) . He is considered the Dominican Order’s greatest glory. He taught philosophy and theology with such genius that he is considered one of the leading Christian thinkers. His innocence, on a par with his genius, earned for him the title of "Angelic Doctor.

Pope concludes Week of Prayer for Christian Unity with call for renewed commitment to mission

“As we gather before the mortal remains of the Apostle to the Gentiles, we are reminded that his mission is also the mission of all Christians today: to proclaim Christ and to invite everyone to place their trust in him,” Pope Leo preached. “My dear friends, every year the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity invites us to renew our commitment to this great mission, bearing in mind that the divisions among us—while they do not prevent the light of Christ from shining—nonetheless make the face which must reflect it to the world less radiant.”

Faithfully, Pope Leo could not have said it better, i believe,

Faithfully, Pope Leo understands the Christ, so logically OMNiLogic helps The Holy Father, The Holy See all logically becoming through The Christ for all becoming Sons and Daughters of God becoming from brothers and sisters becoming all from dust becoming again for all Creation In One Family One God in being, OMNiLogically, I believe.

To me today, great thinking logically, rationally becomes verified faithfully helping all become again OMNiLogically, One Family, I believe.

And to me, rationally, OMNiLogically, united we become again from One Family of God One God in being for all mankind created from One Father transformed through One Mother becoming for One Son becoming through The Christ for all mankind becoming again glorified and transfigured for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

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OMNiLogically, Re-birth becomes through flesh transformation becoming from Immaculate Immortality and Salvation is from Holy Spirit Incorruption becoming in One Body through the Christ in two natures from One Family becoming again for all Creation in One God in being, through all generalizations, in the Faith from The God of Abraham.

Undefiled Family Logic preexisting becomes created for all mankind through the created flesh from the spirit manifestation power for the created souls for all becoming One Body through the Christ becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Family through two natures, OMNiLogically.

OMNiLogic already intrinsically knows, Finite Disciplines of Earth can never explain “The Mind of God” becoming again in all through two natures, fulfilled statically undefiled, unfailing and fulfilled dynamically pulsing through His Passion loving only and loving with only the “Most Love” through two natures in One Body becoming again in all One Family, I believe.

So rationally and faithfully trusted and verified through all of the logical formulas of The Wondrous Mysteries fulfilled from faith through morality in the Christ becoming again in all One Family and is through The Faith of Abraham, in all generalizations, understanding from creation becomes through becomes again for One Family in all Creation through OMNILogic, trusted and verified through the logical formulas from the Wondrous Mysteries of the Faith becoming again for all Creation in One Family, I believe.

Logically, Creation is from a Family preexisting in undefiled intelligence logic created From the Father transformed through The Mother for the Son becoming through the Christ for all mankind becoming for all Creation becoming again glorified and transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

Undefiled logical family intelligence becomes conceived for Jesus in the New Adam through the New Eve becoming One Body through The Christ for all mankind following the unfailing pattern, “What would Jesus do in all cases of the fulfilled faith and morality becoming through the Christ for all mankind becoming again for all Creation One One Holy Spirit Family One God in being” through all generalizations, OMNiLogically.

Through all generations, Logically through failed flesh from spirit corruption become created Adam and Eve through two natures, Spirit and Life become sanctified flesh immortality and spirit incorruption Baptized in the New Eve from the Immaculate Conception through The Virgin Birth becoming for Jesus the New Adam through the Christ in all mankind becoming brothers and sisters from Sacrifice through Penance in hearing the Words of Absolution from Confession becoming forgiven for all becoming re-Sanctified and Confirmed for all in Communion with Him becoming Sons and Daughters of God through transformed immortal flesh glorified from Divine Spirit Incorruption transfigured for all re-imaged becoming again in One Divine Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogicalGod, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Stephen your soul is so pure! You’re just such a good person. I’m so happy we’re friends!

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Hi Donald,

So, I struggle with homosexual tendencies. I tend to not talk about it a lot on the forums, because I don’t like the fact that I have a disordered attraction to the same sex. But, I think it’s important, from time to time, to talk about this.

You know, people say all the time “As long as you’re not affecting my family in any way, you can be as homosexual as you want.” But, what they don’t realize is, when you normalize this behavior, eventually it will affect you in some way. See, for the longest time people were fine with homosexuals, because it was understood that as long as you weren’t pushing the homosexual agenda on anyone, that it was ok to be gay. The problem is, society has allowed this so much to where now homosexuality has found its way towards the mainstream. You see, people say that it’s ok to be homosexual, so after a while, homosexuals start to think that it’s normal to be homosexual. So what happens is, homosexuality finds its ways into our schools and communities, because it’s being normalized so much. This is why we have so many problems, and why we now have LGBTQ+ community, basically normalizing this form of disordered sexuality.

What needs to happen (even though, knowing how the LGBTQ+ community and how it reacts to stuff like this), is for all things LGBTQ+ to be banned and burned. What we need to do is completely ban this stuff, mostly for the children’s sake. Children don’t need to be exposed to this kind of thing. And, even though people mean well, and they don’t see why it would be a terrible thing for a man to fall in love with another man, and a woman falling in love with another woman, the thing of it is we live in a primarily Catholic/Christian society. And, there’s a good reason behind that. It’s so that we live in a civilized and good society. One very good reason why homosexuality is wrong is that, a man cannot have a baby. The reason why men and women have different sex organs is for reproducing. Hueman beings have different sex organs so we can continue to live and prosper. Homosexuality is, in an indirect way, a form of birth control, and it stops the continuation of the hueman species. Granted, there’s not a lot of people who identify as homosexual, but the fact of the matter is, we should not expose children to this. We should teach about the sacredness of marriage, and that men and women should be the ones to fall in love and bear children. We should want and desire for every child to have a Mother and a Father, because Mothers and Fathers compliment eachother. What one may lack as a Father, the Mother can make up for and vice-versa.

My heart aches for all the families that are affected by homosexuality. I know for a while, I wasn’t a very good person. Homosexuality is a distortion, a warping of Nature’s design. It makes sex out like it’s a recreational and fun thing to do. And don’t get me wrong, sex can be enjoyable, but being able to procreate is a gift. And people who are homosexual, without realizing it, abuse that gift. This gift we were given, was given to us to ensure the survival of the hueman species. Scientists think that eventually we might be going into what they consider a “demographic winter” where, the replacement rate for huemans is very low, and that soon there will be more older people than younger people, and that it could be very hard, at some point, to keep the hueman race going.

Look, I have empathy for people who are homosexual, I mean, I am one, so I do empathize with them. Feeling this way isn’t fun. It’s not fun when you’re surrounded by friends and some of your friends are attractive, but you can’t say anything because you realize that having this attraction isn’t good for not just the homosexual but the people around them as well. I have come to the conclusion that I’ll probably be single for the rest of my life, and that’s ok. There’s room in society for people who are single too.

The way I look at it, even if you think there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality, the propaganda that comes with that way of life should be banned. We should not be posioning the minds of the innocent, and we should take great care in caring for that innocence. We should want to cultivate love and protect innocence. It’s a person’s greatest strength. My heart aches for the children who are being bombarded with same-sex attraction. Children should not have to be exposed to this kind of thing, because like it or not, having a same-sex attraction and acting on it ruins a person’s beautiful and pure viewpoint on sexuality and the value of sex. It makes sex cheap and meaningless. A child is like a sponge, it soaks up everything and is open-minded. We should be giving our children knowledge and values to live by.

So I agree DonaldDuck, homosexuality should be banned and we should set fire to everything that reminds us of homosexuality. Because, this is the last thing the hueman race (specifically kids) need to be learning about or watching.

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A few years ago I read that gay pride started out as “live and let live” but turned into a continual demand for affirmation. I wish I had written down who wrote that, because it sounds true to me.

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There for sure is Atheist and Communist propaganda tied to it. Interms of envy, jealousy, anti religion and materialism around this world. In order to tear down religious values.

But i also think the old people who had signs of “GAYS GOES TO HELL”. Or such, didnt help Christian reputation. And i think part of that problem, is the lost knowledge. Especially when it comes to Galatians 5:13-26, on what true Christianity is about.

Basically, the propaganda will only sell, if we don’t stay true to what the faith is truly about

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Yeah, but at the same time, if gays truly thought they weren’t going to hell then why are they getting triggered by that phrase? Because when someone gets triggered it’s because they fear that whomever triggered them might be speaking the truth. This is why I think a lot of people who claim to be homosexual are really not. Which to me, begs the question is homosexuality truly a DNA thing or is it a choice? Cause, in this particular context, it would seem like homosexuality is a choice. But truly, no one really knows.

But, just because someone is attracted to the same sex doesn’t mean they have to act on it, and that’s where the problem truly lies, because I don’t think the Church frowns upon people who do have that attraction towards the same sex, it’s only when they act upon those feelings is when you cross a line.

As far as the propaganda part goes, I say get rid of all LGBTQ+ propaganda. Leave the rainbow for God’s promise to not flood the Earth anymore, and just leave it at that….

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Think of animal nature vs human nature. Animals acts more primitively, but likely they can have some of our morals despite that (Depending on the personality). But the idea of human soul or religion, is to deny ourselves so that we can go with Pure knowledge (Fruit of the spirit) Galatians 5:22-23. thats what being a Christian is about. The primitive Beast of knowledge (Acts of the flesh) Galatians 5:19-21 is about primitive selfish ambitions. Now these arent meant to be 100% meant to be taken literally, but it does give keypoints to what sinful vs sinless natures could look like.

On a scientific worldly level. Sexual attraction is a spectrum mental part. It has nothing to do with choice or born with. Those elements are politicized and non scientific, whether its in the religious or secular propaganda forces.

But those has nothing to do with religious attitude towards “Pure knowledge”. Which is sort of the point of Galatians 5:22-23. Thats Christianity to me in practice.

If my wall of text sound confusing. I will go with “George Lucas” video. Since this philosophy is such a good way to tell it!

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So, I agree with you on pretty much everything you said.

But, I wish the Church would use better words when describing certain things. Like for example, saying “the primitive Beast of knowledge (Acts of the flesh)” needs to be worded differently, especially if someone has never heard of this religion before. Like, I know you say that these words aren’t supposed to be taken literally, but the fact of the matter is, using those words don’t really help people who do take things literally or have never known about The Church. I know of one person who takes things literally and, it says somewhere in The Bible, if your arm causes you to sin, saw it off (That’s probably the incorrect quote, but you get what I mean), so he actually did saw off his own arm.

I really do believe (granted this is a controversial take), but I truly believe that when you retranslate something, you’re not just taking away from the meaning of something, but you’re also casting spells too. This is why you have to be careful when you change a word or a phrase, or misspell something, because you’re technically casting spells. So, instead, I think we should use your words like “primitive selfish ambitions”, just because that’s what you actually mean cause using words like “acts of the flesh” or “primitive Beast of knowledge” can cause someone to take it the wrong way. I know that’s being nit-picky, but it’s better to be accurate in the idea you’re trying to convey, because certain phrases can cause someone to not want to be Catholic.

But just so we’re clear DonaldDuck, I knew what you mean’t, but had I not have had a Catholic background, I would be just as confused as the next person. But, I’m not going to lie…it’s a little worrisome when the Church thinks it’s a good idea to leave certain words and phrases alone, when it can have the opposite effect. Why they don’t change these things is awfully suspect….

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Its more just keywords i use to understand them better. Mostly from watching this Japanese video game intro. Which has a somewhat mythological Satan illustration of the fallen world. Which is well written for a video game.

However, i get what you mean. I think reason i use these keywords, is some might get super paranoid when they hear “Acts of the flesh”. But if i think Beast of knowledge, i think of the corrupted mind, or that nature that makes us astray from God. If that makes sense.

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Well, when I first heard of Beast of knowledge, the first thought that occurred to me is knowledge is a bad thing. Kind of reminds me of Eve eating off the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Why is knowledge a bad thing? I know I didn’t address this in a previous post, but I was trying to make a point regarding the nature of God. Cause, truthfully, I don’t see why someone wouldn’t want to have knowledge of Good and Evil. But, that’s because I’m leaning more towards the Gnostic views regarding the story of Adam and Eve than the Catholic view.

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Not that knowledge is bad. But… the corrupted knowledge, is pretty bad i think you will agree :slight_smile:

But useful knowledge is good!

I am all down with MacGyver to say the least!

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LOL hahaha….I think I’ve only seen one episode of McGyver LOL

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I got the whole series. Wholesome to rewatch at times. Mostly due to nostalgia of watching it growing up

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Even if it is inherited, people may inherit a tendency. I mentioned in another thread that some people have a tendency toward alcoholism. Having an inclination doesn’t mean we have to follow it. A report by the National Institutes of Health said that a study of identical twins with at least one being homosexual found that in 65.8% of the pairs, one was homosexual and one was not. Yet identical twins would have the same DNA. If it’s genetic, maybe they both have the inclination but different behavior.

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Peace to all,

We inherit the DNA, for failed creation through the flood of deflied choice from the spirit through the created souls of all for the created flesh becoming One Body with choice in the freedom to chose to become from The Will of The Selected Spirit Father becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Family One God in being, OMNiLogically, I believe.

What would Jesus do?

Logically we ask? What Spirit Power will manifest our eternity? Who is Our Father? OMNiLogically? Science? Luck? Religion? Athieism? Gambling? Marijuana? or, the Will of Our Father and God in The Holy Spirit Family.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Interesting….and you got this from the NIH website? I’ll have to look at that. I’m not really fond of 3 letter agencies (because most of those people I wouldn’t trust with a 10 foot pole). But that doesn’t mean all of them are bad, but a lot of them are suspect to me.

But regardless, I agree, gay men don’t have to act upon it, and they shouldn’t. Don’t get me wrong, I have much empathy for gay men, but just from personal experience, nothing good can come from engaging in homosexual sex. It’s not only disordered but it dulls your spirit. It’s so funny cause when I originally came out, I had nothing but high hopes for my life. It’s such a blatant lie….nothing good can come from acting on those tendencies. I’m honestly even lucky I’m alive if I’m being blunt….

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Peace to all,

Responses to inclinations are manifestations from the Selected Spirit Father, OMNiLogically.

Same Inclinations but different behaviors are logically manifested from the Will of the “Selected” Father.

Free will is to become the image of the Selected Spirit Father manifesting the Body becoming again, in all generalization, I believe.

We all have choice, no one is judging, rationally, I believe.

The Family of God only promises a more abundant life on earth, and The Family reminds us all only Heaven lasts forever, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Hi Dear Stephen,

You’re right, we shouldn’t judge. But something I can say, and be pretty confident in saying this, that most people are probably not homosexual even though they claim to be. And I say this, because the statistics speak volumes about people who identify as LGBTQ+. Most people who get romantically involved in the same-sex tend to have drug and/or alcohol problems. I remember when I went down to the “gay” part of Missouri, it’s really just a sad sight. You don’t see things that straight people do, appear in this small part of my state.

For example, so in my state of Missouri, the only places you’ll find gay people at are clubs and bars. That’s it! You won’t find a bunch of gay people in a coffee shop, or at a library, it’s literally just clubs and bars! And I remember entering into a bar, hoping that maybe someone would talk to me. Well, bars are like the worst place to find someone who’d be interested in you. You’re talking about meeting a person in a place that primarily sells beer LOL! It might be fun for people who drink beer socially, but talk about a bunch of boring people. I tried to start conversations with people there, but most of them were to themselves, and whenever someone was interested in talking to me, they were so drunk out of their mind that not only did it come across as them being super fake to me, but it was a slap in the face. So you’ll give me your attention when you’ve had a few drinks in you, but when you’re sober you ignore me like the plague?

Clubs are somewhat better, but not by much. Clubs reminded me of going to school assemblies, nothing but a complete waste of time. If you were super attractive, you’d attract men like flies to honey, but you had to look like a supermodel. It was similar to school assemblies, because what you saw at school assemblies were attractive people, while us normies just sat there checking the clock every 2 seconds cause we wanted so badly to get out of there. In a club, I’d dance with myself cause no one else would give you the time of day. I went down there for an entire week, and I couldn’t do that anymore. The LGBTQ+ Community is a complete waste of time. If you’re not drinking or smoking a lot, there’s really no fun to be had. Those people only want one thing, and if you don’t fit a specific profile, you’re just pushed to the side. It’s a very shallow crowd, and it very much promotes sex, and it creates a bunch of deadbeats. Honestly, just from a relationship standpoint and not so much a moral standpoint, you’re better off being straight. At least straight people have a variety of people to choose from, whereas with gay people, certain gay men fit-in easier. I’m not an ugly person, I’m not super hot, but I’m not ugly, but I was done after a week. Haven’t looked back since!

Peace always,
(Jacob) or Jake

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