My friend, who’s lesbian, was recently proposed to by her girlfriend, I’m not looking for bible quotes, etc, I’m looking for advice.
I said that she’d be thrown into the fires of hell for doing this, so now she’s not talking to me, neeither’s her mum!
I hate being a catholic nowadays, because the church can’t accept the new norm, it’s Adam & Steve now, as well as Adam & Eve, get with it! Yes the Bible says male & female he created them, but this is 2025!
From someone who isn’t a part of the Catholic Church anymore, you have to be careful about what you say. I have a Christian friend who constantly tells me I’m going to hell and we’re good friends, but that’s because her and I have an innerstanding. I don’t take it offensively, because personally I don’t believe in a hell, so when she talks about me going to a place where I’ll be tortured for an eternity, I usually say “Well, thank you. I appreciate that if hell was a place that was real, I appreciate that you wouldn’t want to see me go to hell.” But, my friend tends to go on and on about hell sometimes, and after a while I just crack jokes. But, we both as friends really care about eachother. She’s had a very rough life and I tell her all the time “You know, you are one of the most inspirational people I’ve ever met. Thank you for being real with me, everyday.” I just love her to death, and I miss her. I miss our talks, and our inside jokes. I miss her calm and loving demeanor when she talked to me. I just miss her so much.
Maybe saying that turned her off, but something you have to innerstand that the problem isn’t with you, it’s with her. She needs to seek therapy, because, she was triggered by what you said, and the reason why she is triggered is because this idea of going to hell is incompatible with her worldview. If she truly doesn’t believe in a hell, then she wouldn’t have gotten triggered by it, but because she got triggered by it, that tells me that she really is legitimately scared that hell might actually be real. She’s the one who has to work on herself in this situation, because she was the one who reacted the way she did, and only she has control over her own actions. Unfortunately you’re not going to change her mind, cause she wants so badly to be with this other woman, and she’s going to go through with it anyways.
**To give you some background, I struggle with same sex attraction, and going to therapy has been a literal Godsend for me. She could come around, but at the end of the day it’s her choice, she can either not address this problem in a therapeutic setting and continue to be the way she is, or she can realize that you were only trying to be nice and only wanted what was best for her. If anything, pray for her. I don’t let religion get in the way of my relationships, cause there’s more to a person than just what they believe. And to shoot someone down just based on a difference in belief is the reason why the world is so upside down to begin with.**
The main thing that’s always bugged me, is Catholicism is the only Christian Denomination that has beef about it, the others don’t!
The Bible has a lot of good advice.
I think it is important that she knows what you believe, but also that you care about her and will the good in her life, but that you cannot support this.
There is nothing new under the sun. Disordered desires have been around since the fall of man. The fact that a majority accepts something as a norm, does not make it right nor just.
Why stop there? Why not normalize everything? Because order matters. What is good, true, and beautiful matters. The Old Testament predicted that there would come a day when man would call what is bad good and what is good bad. They would celebrate disorder and reject order. But, God is order. And God does not change with what is fashionable.
It is cliché to say the Church is behind the times, but She foresaw that many of these things would happen if men stop following God’s order and instead follow their own desires. And here we are.
Now if we can get the Bishops & Priests, who have also become corrupted, to see their errors, then maybe there would not be so much confusion. It is even more important for them to not lead others astray, because their responsibility is greater (millstone around the neck greater).
We are called to love individuals who have been led astray, but this world confuses affirming for love, but that is not love. We are to hold fast to the truth, but speak gently. Telling everyone that they are going to Hell is not our job. Telling a friend that I cannot support their behavior, choices, or worldview is good. Praying for my friend is good. Their demand that you convert to their religion (and it has become a religion for most of the world) is disrespectful of what we believe. I can be friends with someone who disagrees with me. They cannot. They will not only likely unfriend you, but demonize you.
Here is my advice. I would apologize for telling them they are going to Hell. “It was not very charitable of me. I care about you and I value our friendship, though I cannot support something that I believe to be immoral. I am here for you apart from your asking me to go against what I believe in. And I also understand that you may not want to be friends with me, because I cannot support you in this. It doesn’t mean that I care about you less. I do not force what I believe onto you and I hope that you would not force what you believe onto me.”
The hard part is that part of the ideology is that it tells them that this is their identity. So, no matter what you say, they are going to take it personal. They do not see it as you rejecting their worldview, they will take it as you rejecting them as a person, which is not based in reality. But, rarely can you get someone in their mindset to understand this.
I will Pray for your situation @ManofGod94.
Jesus told us not to judge. It’s one thing to say that something is seriously wrong. It’s another to say who is going to Hell (or, for that matter, Heaven).
I definitely don’t think you should be happy for her, since entering into a same-sex “marriage” is gravely sinful. However, I think you should be careful about how you talk to her as well. Saying that she’ll be thrown into the fires of Hell has the potential to alienate her and might even turn her against you. I think it’s good to let her know that you’re against same-sex “marriage” but I think you should be more gentle about it.
Peace to all,
Adam and Eve created love becoming to know from the tree of knowledge, to love or to love not, becoming again in all creation One Two Nature From The Spirit through The Life Family, loving only and loving with only the most love, I believe.
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For from him, and through him, and for him are all things. To him is glory, for all eternity. Amen.
OMNILogicalGod Version
For From The Father, and through The Mother and for The Son are all things, to The Holy Spirit Family One God in being is glory, for all eternity, Amen.
The Mind of God wants love fulfilled eternally through flesh to feel the love also, from the Spirit Family and God wants eternal immortal immaculate flesh from Holy Spirit Family Power manifesting the Body through two natures in the Christ becoming again in all creation unable to fail in only one way undeflied through His Passion fulfilled, I believe.
The Word becomes flesh, logically through the Christ in all, I believe.
The Bride of The Christ is through the New Eve, Mary for Jesus becoming the New Adam becoming for all through the Christ in His Passion, I believe.
To me, no one is judging or proselytizing and only generalizing, for all becoming faithful through the Christ, I believe.
Logically, we ask through all generalizations, “What would Jesus do in all cases from the fulfilled faith and morality becoming through the Christ in all mankind becoming again in all Creation, One Holy Spirit Family, One God in being,” I believe.
Peace always,
Stephen