Eating Eucharist for Eternal Life … to What Extent?

Hello.

I’m not actually Catholic, but I’m going through OCIA currently. I just had some questions about the theology involving the Eucharist.

The connection between John 6 and the Last Supper is very strong. Once you see the connection, it’s hard to unsee, and it’s very difficult to see how you ever saw it merely symbolically (coming from a Protestant background).

That being said, there are some perplexing questions I’ve been thinking about once you realize John 6 is talking about the Eucharist.

“He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day.”

If someone gains eternal life in heaven by eating the Eucharist …. Why is it something that is consumed weekly? (and depending on one’s devotion, daily). Does one gain more life the more you eat …. How does one add onto to eternity? If you stop eating it … do you lose that eternal life?

I know this is getting very philosophical, but it’s just making me question the entire concept of eternity :thinking:

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Well….so I know you’re asking people who are Catholics, but, I think you need to question this severely. Don’t just go with what anyone says…put this issue on trial and sit back and observe. Does this bother you, even just a little bit? Cause if it does, you might wanna sit with that feeling for a second and just ask God why that makes you feel a little uneasy.

I’m not saying don’t become Catholic, but you might want to sit and really meditate on this. Cause there’s another religion that does the same thing, but not for good purposes. So, just question this is all I’m asking…

Peace to all,

From the God through the Faith of Abraham we become again One Family, through The Host.

The Host is the New Living Sacrifice from the New Adam through the New Eve becoming The Christ for all from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven for all becoming again in all One Holy Spirit Family one God in being.

Mary is from Eve, through the living waters of Baptism for all becoming into the Catholic Church immortalized from the Immaculate Conception for all through the New Eve.

The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of The Holy Family becoming through The Christ in all mankind from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind becoming again in all Creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

The Eucharist is the Sunday Mass Living Sacrifice through Penance becoming through the Words of Absolution in Confession forgiven in all now able to become again glorified and transfigured for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being,

From The New Living Sacrifice through Penance in through Confession becoming forgiven in all through the Words of Absolution Forgiven for all becoming glorified and transfigured in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Mary is Baptism, Jesus is Penance becoming One Body for all through the Christ. The Christ is the New Living Sacrifice From Transformed Immortality becoming from Holy Spirit Incorruption through Penance becoming forgiven in all mankind becoming again in all Creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

Hello.

Thanks for the response. It doesn’t bother me necessarily … it’s just with my upbringing my view was that salvation was a one-time thing: you either have salvation … or you don’t. You either have eternal life … or eternal damnation. But with Catholicism it seems to be more of a journey. I’m honestly just trying to understand what Jesus meant. Growing up I considered communion to be symbolic, and though the only part in the Bible that talked about it was in the Last Supper. But the passage in John 6 really puts a wrench in the gears of my old thinking.

Curious what other religion you’re referring too :thinking:

Blessings to you.

Thanks Stephen Andrew.

I will ponder what you say but it’s quite theologically dense! “Mary is Baptism”…? I’ve never heard this articulated before. Not quite processing the connection.

Well, I’m an ex-Catholic, and you seem to be at least interested in Catholicism. My goal, for everyone, not just you, but for everyone to think for themselves.

Look, I will never tell someone that religion isn’t helping someone. That would be just a really ignorant thing to tell someone. Because, religion does help some people, it’s helped my Mother become a better person. But, I would be lying to people if I didn’t say that I don’t have any doubts about that religion, because I do. In fact, it was because this religion put so much doubt in my head, that I couldn’t be a part of it anymore. It got so bad to where my mindset was “I’m going to hell. It doesn’t matter what good I do, or even bad for that matter, because I’m just destined for hell.” And, it kind of messed me up to where, doing the right thing became painful. Yeah, the other person I was helping said thank you to me and really appreciated me helping them. But if I’m being honest with you, it got to a point where, it didn’t matter how many times someone said “Thank you for helping me.” I personally felt like it was pointless. Because I honestly thought I was going to hell.

Religion didn’t help me at all. In fact, religion only compounded my problems. I walked around feeling like a P.O.S., and the funny thing is, I wasn’t committing crimes or anything. I don’t even have a criminal record. But I honestly felt that there was no saving me, that I was beyond saving and that to continue living was an existential joke.

So what did I do? I questioned every single thing I was taught. Even concepts I was taught in school, I questioned. Because…to me, there’s more to life than thinking every d*mn second I’m going to hell. So I questioned everything. I literally would sit with information that didn’t bode well with me, and I asked myself why I felt the way I did. And once I questioned everything enough to where I finally did get an answer, it was like my reality completely changed, and really for the better ya know?

Once you question everything you’ve been taught, not just by your parents but by your teachers as well, it’s like reality takes on a whole new meaning. Now there’s a lot I had to do to get to this point. I had to throw out any bias that I had towards anything. I had to get rid of any limiting beliefs that I had, and instead, what I did was I simply just observed. Instead of looking at something and labeling it “right” or “wrong” instead, I was the observer and I just wanted to get to know my subject better.

Now, use some common sense, if someone is pointing a gun to someone’s head, I would hope you would stand between the gunmen and the victim and be willing to risk your physical life for someone, while trying to call 911. I do not advocate for breaking the law, AT ALL! But anything that didn’t break the law, instead of giving it a label, I just sat back and observed. Instead of assuming something was good, or assuming something was bad, that’s not related to breaking the law, instead I went in with the mindset of “What can I learn from this?” So I became the observer, and after about a year or 2, I found out that some of the things people label as evil is kind of misguided. Same thing with someone labeling something as good. Not everything that is good on the surface is truly good, and not everything that is bad on the surface is truly bad. But very seldom does anyone care to actually get to know something.

I mean, I can give you examples of how many times I was judged as a creeper, when literally I was an average Joe. Ok, so I grew up with a stutter, and a lot of people thought of me as retarded when, I was the quite the opposite. I would get good grades. But I constantly felt like I didn’t belong, and that’s because the truth is, I’m not supposed to belong anywhere. I have an alien soul. When I was born in this hueman body, I never could quite innerstand the mindset of people who were my age growing up. They seemed to take pleasure in making others feel like crap, and I never innerstood how you can be friends with someone who is constantly making you feel like crap. I can’t tell you how many times I overheard conversations where a girl is saying “Yeah, he’s an a**hole, but in order for me to fit in, I have to learn how to deal with him.” I mean…it sounds like a line from a movie, but people actually said stuff like this. It’s like their value depended on how popular they were, and that always rubbed me the wrong way.

But anyways, so basically I did what most people would never do and I literally sat down and challenged my own beliefs. And through research, through careful observation, and even a few supernatural experiences that I’ve had, I feel like I finally know what is really true. If anything, I must be on to something, cause honestly, all I want is the truth. I don’t want anyone to sugarcoat anything, cause in my view that doesn’t help anyone. I want the truth, and even to this day there are certain things that I’m trying to figure out, but I ‘ve found that when you seek for the answers yourself, and literally get rid of all your biases, all your preconceptions, and just take every situation as a learning experience, you find out about things that most people would never even want to touch or even try to innerstand. And that’s because we’ve been programmed since birth, to not question everything. And, there’s nothing more dangerous than a closed mind. Cause when you close your mind, you’re not allowing yourself to think outside of your own worldview, because for many people that takes skill, and it’s because we were told to basically shut up, sit down, be given information about a particular subject, and be expected to regurgitate what is taught to us back to teachers and depending on how well we know the subject matter, will depend on what grade you’re going to get.

But see…we were taught what to think, but we were NEVER taught how to think. And, the thing of it is, it’s not a hard thing to do. Yes, there is a little bit of trauma involved, cause you’re basically opening your mind to a few things that aren’t considered “popular” or “status quo” to think about. But, when you see something for what it really is…..labels don’t really mean anything anymore. See, people treat eachother like they’re soup cans, but we’re huemans….and huemans don’t come with a label. But when you put a label on something, you’re assuming something that may or may not be fully true. But you won’t know the actual truth till you get to know what it is your observing. Because if you see something for what it truly is, you find out that there’s no really no need for labels. And again, if something is illegal or against the law, there should be consequences for those actions, cause we don’t need someone getting away with murder or rape or whatever crazy thing that could happen. But to label anyone as “good” or “bad” is honestly, not true, or not fully true anyway. In fact, most huemans are a combination of good and bad. It’s not like Galinda saying “Are you a good witch or a bad witch?” What an odd question to ask. Every hueman on this planet is a combination of both. Sure someone could show more of their bad side than good, and vice-versa, but no one is 100% good and 100% bad, everyone just shows varying degrees of both.

So, in saying all of that, think about what you just said about eating the Eucharist. I’m not going to tell you my thoughts about it, because more than likely, I’m probably on a different Spiritual trajectory than you are. And that’s ok, we’re not going to agree on everything. But I want you to go to a room and speak this phrase that you quoted from The Bible:

I want you to think about what you just said. Just give what you said some time. If what you said is something you truly believe, than that particular idea is for you. But if there’s something about what you said that seems a little odd or weird, question it. I could tell you what it is I think, but I’m not going to do that to you. Instead, you have to figure this out for yourself. I can give you my answer, but the answer really has to come from you and no one else. This is how you’re supposed to learn, and this is how you should’ve learned. Read that phrase and think about what it is you’re saying. If you don’t see anything weird or don’t feel weirded out by that phrase, than that phrase has value for you. That phrase is important for you. But if you feel, even just a little uncomfortable, or wondering why Jesus would say something like that, there’s something about that phrase that’s making you feel uncomfortable.

Just sit with it. If you find nothing really weird or wrong about that phrase, then obviously that line of thinking is for you. But, if you have doubts about that particular phrase, instead of throwing your doubts to the side, instead face your doubts. Ask yourself why this phrase sounds strange to you. Why are you feeling that? Could it be that there’s something off about that particular phrase which causes you to question it?

What I’m trying to do, is I’m giving you the power to decide. What do YOU think about that phrase? We’re not talking about what most people think about that phrase, what do YOU think about it? Because if that phrase makes you feel uneasy or question things, there’s a possibility that something odd and weird is going on. You’re a grown man (or if you’re a woman, a grown woman) so, what do you think is going on? After all, if you doubt something, that’s not your signal to just push it to the side, there’s a reason why you have doubts. You need to address your doubts, and you need to meditate on it and maybe even research it. But don’t throw your doubts to the side just so you can fit in with Catholics. Your worldview matters, and you should be able to be your own person and not expect someone from your external world to innerstand you, cause only you can truly innerstand you.

So, what do you think that phrase means?

Peace to all,

Moses turned the water into blood and Jesus turns the water into wine then to blood.

From The Exodus through the logical formulas transforming glorifying and transfiguring for all is becoming again in all One God in being a Family.

Eating Eucharist for Eternal Life … to What Extent?

Reborn and Saved as Catholic is extended through both natures from the spirit through the flesh becoming One Body through The Christ for all the logical sacramental formulas of the Wondrous Mysteries of The Faith from Abraham. And all is delivered through the New Ark of The Covenant and Mary’s Immaculate and Immortal Catholic Church though Jesus’s Incorruptible Holy Spirit Family becoming through the Christ Temple for all in One Body for all becoming again in all creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

The Eucharist transforms flesh becoming immortal through “Rebirth” in Baptism becoming from Sacrifice through the Christ for all in Penance becoming forgiven becoming again in all “Saved” re-imaged like Daddy, The Father, we can now see The Image of Creation with New OMNiLogical Eyes, no longer blind but can now see all in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

The Eucharist is the New Living Sacrifice for Penance in Hearing the Words of Absolution forgiven in Confession forgiven from the Power of The Holy Spirit for the created souls of all through the transformed flesh becoming through death resurrected alive again re-Sanctified and in Communion with Him Confirmed in the Will of Undefiled Family Intelligence becoming again glorified and transfigured in all One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

Hello EarthStudent.

That was a really long reply. I appreciate your honesty. I would explain a little about my spiritual path I’m on however it would take quite a while to type out on my phone! I probably will in another post!

To answer your question about what I think it means, the first initial thought that comes up is cannibalism. This also seems to be what Jesus’s followers were thinking of as well as they reply:

“How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

What Jesus was suggesting is shocking. It’s not just philosophically questionable but morally repugnant to his followers. Not only does it break the Jewish laws concerning drinking blood, it just seems to go against basic human sensibilities. These are one the hardest sayings that Jesus ever taught and the ONLY one he taught that actually caused his followers to leave in droves.

So what it does mean? Well I’m still trying to figure it out, but there’s no recording of anyone trying to eat his arm or his leg, so we can probably rule out “actual cannibalism”. But why would Jesus say something so absurd in the first place? For the followers that still stuck with him after this mysterious and crazy dialogue, they only got the beginnings of an answer during the last supper when he broke some bread, blessed it, and said, “This is my body”.

So there’s not actual, physical, bread-molecules-turning-into-human-molecules…. But there’s undoubtedly Jesus presence in the bread in some mysterious way (if the words of Jesus are to be believed). Protestants will try to make the case the Catholics are advocating cannibalism, but in my view that argument doesn’t hold a lot of water, because if Catholics are teaching “literal cannibalism” than Protestants are teaching “symbolic cannibalism” which doesn’t seem to be much better. Others will say that it’s simply a metaphor for “believing in Jesus” …. Which would be an incredibly crazy metaphor if you ask me, especially since He says it 6 times over!

There is quite a lot of illusions to this “bread / sacrifice”. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (literally means “House of Bread”. He was born in a manger. But what’s a manger? Literally, a feeding trough for barn animals. The fact he is called “The Lamb of God” referencing to the fulfillment of the Passover lamb in the OT. Which, by the way, they didn’t just kill to spread the blood on the lintel posts but ATE. The dreams that Joseph had about the baker and the cupbearer. In 3 loaves is 3 days … and death. 3 cups is 3 days …. And life. I could go on.

I think that’s the heart or it. God commanded the Israelites to eat the Paschal Lamb, and Jesus said we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Why? I don’t understand why. We still need faith and good works, so it’s not a substitute for those, but still it’s required. How often? In the Old Testament, it was once a year on Passover. Apparently it was once a week in the early church. And what happened at the Last Supper became known quickly, it appears, because only a few days later, the disciples on the road to Emmaus (who do not seem to have been at the Last Supper) recognized Him in the breaking of the bread.

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Right? It’s one of those things that you put in the “questionable” category. I’m not saying Jesus actually mean’t that, because Jesus was mostly speaking in parables (or what I like to say, code), but it’s just awfully weird that Jesus said that. But I would go even further to say “Would this be something Jesus actually said, or is this just a really poorly translated phrase?”

Again….kind of odd isn’t it?

Again…why would Jesus say such a thing? Could it be possible that Jesus didn’t actually say these things? After all, when you retranslate something, all it takes is to translate one word and it can change an entire sentence, or even the entire chapter of a book. I’m not saying that’s what’s going on here, but it does beg the question, what is really going on here?

Well, my thing is, why are we even teaching this? Cause even if it’s not symbolic or actual cannibalism, why even say that? Most people are not stupid, most people innerstand that it’s messed up to eat the corpse of another hueman being. So, why are we even teaching this? Cannibalism, both literally and symbolically is messed up, period!

As far as “bread-molecules-turning-into-human-molecules”, there have been miracles that has happened in some parishes where the Eucharistic wafers turn into a fleshly beating heart during the transubstantiation part of the mass. Now, I personally believe that what they’re saying is true, because there’s actually a Science to miracles. The Science requires you to think a little outside the box, but there is a Science to miracles. I’ll just leave it at that for now.

Right?! A feeding trough? Sorry but you’re not doing Jesus any justice by sugarcoating the word trough and saying “it was a manger.” I mean, do these middle-aged white men think we don’t know what they’re referring to here? Cause, let’s face it, The Bible gets retranslated by a bunch of old white men who think they know how we should live our lives. What a bunch of bologna!

Again, I’m not saying religion can’t help anyone. I’m sure religion helps someone, I mean statistically that’s what’s being reported anyway. But, I left that religion because it always seemed like to me, especially with the Priests more so than the people who attend Mass, that any question I had that they couldn’t really truly answer, was like they were being dodgy. Usually they’d say something like “Well, we don’t really know the answer to that question, BUT, think of it this way…” Well…if you don’t really know the answer to that question, then why are you attempting to answer something you really know nothing about?

So…that’s just me. I’m not saying that Jesus is alluding to Cannibalism at all, in fact, I personally think that he never even said those words. Because that’s not something Jesus would even say. I can see the God of the Old Testament alluding to that, cause the God of the Old Testament to me is a very tyrannical and very messed-up spirit if you ask me. Killing innocent children to get your point across isn’t a good thing, I don’t care how “perfect” you claim to be. Cause killing an innocent is something Catholic’s don’t believe in, even though Catholics will stick up for their God, who seems to not have a problem with killing innocent children just to get his point across (which if you ask me is the equivalent of someone who is extremely mentally ill, or at best a kind of Hitler mentality).

What I’m getting at is, I’m not saying Catholicism is good or bad, but man do I have some questions that need some answers, because when I was Catholic, I never received answers. If God is light, well light is supposed to reveal everything correct? It’s not like if you go outside on a nice summer day you can’t see the trees and the sky, and the grass unless you’re born blind. So, if God is light, then why are some things in the Bible which Catholic’s truly believe to be the “Word of God” why is it that some things are considered “mysteries.” Since when does light NOT reveal something……..unless we’re talking about a false light, and we all know who that is, don’t we?

Again, not saying religion is good or bad, but I’m kind of really skeptical about all of this. Seems kind of weird if you ask me….

Peace to all,

God always says, “I will “Choose” the New Living Sacrifice.”

The Picked to carry today carry the “Chosen” New Living Sacrifice, The Host transforming glorifying and transfiguring all becoming again One Family, I believe.

Fulfilled is Creation through both natures from One Body for all through The Christ, “The New Living Sacrifice” becoming again in all Creation One Family, One God in being, through all generalizations.

The Host is The Family of God conceived for Jesus in the New Adam becoming through the Christ from the fulfilled New Living Sacrifice fulfilled through Penance becoming forgiven for all mankind becoming again in all Creation fulfilled in One Family.

Logically the God from the Faith of Abraham is The Two Nature God becoming again from the spirit for the created souls of all through the flesh becoming again in all for both natures becoming again in all One Family.

Picked to carry the “Chosen” Old Sacrifice of Animals were the Hebrews out of Egypt to the Promise Land Jerusalem through all generalizations.

The Old Sacrifice saved only the spirits in the souls to the Bosom of Abraham, I believe.

Awaiting are all the souls, martyrs, saints and all Old Covenant Saved from the spirit for the souls in the Boson of Abraham awaiting resurrection through the Flesh in the Christ for Sacrifice in Penance becoming forgiven through both natures for the Christ in all mankind.

From all of the logical formulas through the Wondrous Mysteries of The Faith from Abraham creation becomes from failed choice through the Big Bang of chaos for choice to love or not to love becoming through the flesh becoming again manifested from Incorruptibly Divine Spirit Power through Immortal Immaculate Flesh in all becoming again in all Creation One Divine Spirit Family One God in being, I am thinking.

Failed logical intelligence becomes to earth though the flesh in the minds of man from two trees, from the Tree of knowledge failed with choice to love or not to love in a body mortal and now away from the Tree of Life, through all generalizations.

The fulfilled logical undefiled intelligence never fails and in only One Way, and loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again in all a New Creation, I believe.

The New Fruit becomes through two natures from the Spirit Tree becoming incorruptible choice and only able to love and to only love with the most love becoming through immortality in One Body from the New Tree of Life for all in One Body through the Christ becoming again in all creation One Divine Spirit Family One God in being, OMNiLogically.

Picked to Carry the “Chosen” New Living Sacrifice are the Catholics through the Baptized New Eve from the New Adam through Holy Spirit Incorruption for Jesus becoming the Christ from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven in both natures, spirit and flesh in the souls of all mankind becoming again in all Creation One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

Just so I’m not misunderstanding you, are you saying that Eucharistic Miracles are real? If you believe they are I’m very surprised that you say you are no longer Catholic :thinking: Even if some of your theological questions weren’t answered that seems like a pretty big piece of evidence to tip the scales a bit to one side.

As to your point about “mysteries” in the faith, this applies to all Christian sects, not just Catholics. To go a step further …. Probably to all religions to be honest. As a human we want to understand things, it’s in our nature… and even when one of our questions are answered it just leads to more questions. What is that bright orange thing in the sky? It’s called the Sun. What is the Sun? It’s a star in our galaxy. What is a star? It’s a gaseous orb made of mostly helium and hydrogen. What is hydrogen… (this could go on ad infinitum).

My point is this. Faith and Religion can’t possibly have all the answers to every conceivable question. We are talking about an Infinite God that chose to create all things as well as communicate with people, which some of those people chose to write down on paper (finite words to describe the infinite god). It isn’t possible for every question to be answered in this life (and if we did have all the answers, I don’t even know if we would believe it … but that’s a personal opinion).

Peace to all,

The “God Gaps,” becoming fulfilled.

Logical intelligence becomes flesh from the spirit corrupted for the created souls of all through the created mortal flesh becoming One Body Baptized, transformed “circumcised” immortalized and from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven through both natures in One Christ Body becoming glorified and transfigured for all becoming again in all Creation One Divine Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Well, it’s all about perception. Yeah…I don’t go to Church anymore, and if I read The Bible anymore, it’s for research purposes, but just because I’m not a Catholic doesn’t mean that I fundamentally reject every Catholic teaching. Catholicism, in and of itself, isn’t all bad. There are some things that are good in there, like the 10 Commandments.

But forgive me, I was going off-track. In response to the Eucharistic Miracles being real, well really any miracle is real. And there’s different ones too, like there’s the miracle of Fatima, and there’s stories of people who were once mute that can talk, or blind that can now see. And there is an actual Science to miracles, and part of that Science is belief believe it or not.

Exactly! Part of learning how to think is to question the heck out of something till something makes sense to you. And, if you ask enough questions, and ask the right questions, you will receive an answer! What’s that phrase in Scripture? “Ask and you shall receive. Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will be open to you.”

I agree. This life is finite, and most people in this lifetime probably won’t receive the answers just yet. But the thing of it is, we are, at our core, infinite beings. And believe me when I say, I don’t have all the answers, because I honestly don’t. Something I believe in personally is I am not this skin, I am not this mind. I am merely an actor on the world stage. Jake is not my real name, it’s just a name I was born with. My hueman name is Jacob, but my soul’s name is quite different. My soul (or as I like to call it consciousness) has a different name. And I do not give that name out freely, because it’s who I really am, and only those I sincerely trust know my real name (in fact I think only one person actually knows my real name). We are infinite beings, and therefore, we have nothing but eternity to learn all there is that needs to be learned, and truthfully if I’m being honest with you, we probably won’t stop learning. We will probably be learning for the rest of our Spiritual life. Which, I’m fine with personally.

And you’re right, Faith and Religion don’t have all the answers. This is when being a critical, out-of-the-box, and open-minded thinker is vital to knowing what some people consider “mysteries.” Lemme put it to you this way, if you believe with all of your heart (and when I say heart, I’m kind of referring to your soul, your subconscious (or A.K.A. your consciousness) that everything in this Universe is by design and everything is exactly as it should be at all times. If you truly believe it, both consciously and subconsciously, then everything in this Universe has an explanation as to why it exists. But you have to truly believe it, you can’t believe in something consciously and not subconsciously, you have to believe it consciously and subconsciously, otherwise you’re closing your mind to the possibilities, and closing your mind isn’t a good thing, cause it means you’ll only learn about something to a certain degree. Having an open-mind means that you are constantly thirsty for knowledge. I tell people all the time that I love to learn, even if I learn how to do something wrong, that’s still a positive for me, because the way I look at it as “Ok…so that didn’t work very well, so the next time I attempt to learn about this concept, I’ll approach it from a different angle and see if that works.”

What I’m trying to say is, yes, no one has all the answers, not even me. But as long as you keep an open-mind, and are able to think outside-the-box and have an open heart, some of the answers to some of life’s tough questions will become clearer to you. You just have to teach yourself how to think, because throughout your whole life you were told what to think. Believe me, I was once there myself. But once you teach yourself how to think, the world opens up to you in a way you don’t see coming. God bliss you Mazrocon, I hope all of your dreams and ambitions come true, but most of all, I hope you find a group of people who will love you no matter how many times you change. People will change, but love is always consistent. One of the harder things to achieve in this lifetime is to be a part of a group, but yet maintain your own beliefs. If you ever find a group that is like that, consider yourself truly blissed, cause in this Matrix we live in, a group like that is hard to find.

Namaste :folded_hands:

Another great question! Baptism is like Marriage (you only get Married once, not over and over again within your relationship). You only consummate your Marriage once, but you and your spouse re-present yourself, body & soul, to one another (hopefully) often throughout your relationship. Jesus’ Sacrifice, like consummation, is once and for all time. In receiving the Eucharist, there is intimacy with our Lord and life can come from it (in the form of grace).

Some people do not like this analogy, because they think it sexualizes the Eucharist, but that is not the intent. Jesus described His relationship with the church as that of a husband and wife. You don’t get Married and then do nothing. Your relationship will not last very long if you say, “She knows I love her” and then do nothing to show your love for her. I Married her didn’t I." Or “I don’t need to admit I messed up (reconciliation) and change in any way (repentance). He forgives me no matter what.”

Jesus offers all of Himself (body, blood, soul & divinity). And in turn (hopefully) we offer Him all of ourselves. And in this giving and receiving, there is fruit that can come from it.

No. In fact, there are times when we are instructed not to receive “unworthily.” There are times when it is prudent not to receive.

In the relationship between a husband and wife, if one has done something to harm the relationship and does not seek to reconcile, it makes things awkward and can actually hurt your soul than help it (if you are in the wrong). It is essentially saying that I am not willing to change, and what does this do to a relationship?

Likewise, if one is not Married, they should not present themselves in such a way as if they are Married. Likewise, if someone claims to be a Christian, but is not Baptized, He should not receive the Holy Eucharist, for it is intended for individuals who are in a Covenantal relationship.

I hope this is making sense and that anyone who reads this understands that what we receive is not an empty ritual, nor a symbol of love, but rather Love itself.

Hey Cade.

My first time entering a Catholic Church was a few months ago. And while I wasn’t sure of everything that was going on (heading in woefully uneducated about what goes on in a Mass), I didn’t feel like it was empty rituals but rather a feeling of love and reverence.

That being said … I can understand a potential danger of someone growing up in the Catholic Church and falling into the trap thinking that it’s just repetition and rituals. I hear this a lot online actually, of people being raised in the faith but not actually understanding the fundamental WHYs of all the practices … and thus leaving.

But if your heart is far from God then the prayers or creeds you recite can lose their significance.

The vibe is just fundamentally different compared to a Protestant or non-denominational church … the atmosphere is solemn and it feels almost rude to even say something as simple as hello in the sanctuary. The center of everything is an actual altar and not merely a stage for a band and a pulpit for a pastor.

PS. Thank you for your explanation on the Eucharist. I do think it’s beginning to make more sense now when looked at as a marriage bond with the fundamental “glue” that holds it together being love. I’m ashamed to say that I was thinking in purely materialistic terms as if the bread was somehow magical.

I’m reading Catholic Matters by Richard John Neuhaus (and after I finish I’ll post something in the topic on what we’re reading). He was a Lutheran pastor who became a Catholic priest. Like many other Lutherans, he believed in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, but I don’t think his church had a tabernacle. He said that a difference between the Catholic and Protestant churches he had been in was that people in Protestant churches made their space holy by what they did there (prayers and worship), whereas in Catholic churches the space was holy because of Who was there.

Peace to all,

The Two Nature God is from the Faith of Abraham, I believe.

The Christ is much more than Just Jesus, OMNiLogicaly.

Logically Mary and Jesus are the Eucharist becoming the Christ in all mankind, I believe.

Co-Redemption is from two Gods becoming transformed becoming glorified for all becoming again transfigured in One Family fulfilled in two natures through all generalizations.

The Host transforms and glorifies and transfigures through two natures becoming One God in all.

Contact through the Host by all or even any of the senses, we become again One Holy Spirit Two Nature God Family.

“He took hold of the casket, and the dead man sat up and he began to speak. And He gave him back to his mother.” The Good Works of the Flesh through The Christ, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

I find that quite profound! While I’ve always been in awe of beautiful cathedrals I’ve never understood (until recently) why “buildings” could be considered sacred (God says the “kingdom of God lies within you”, that He “doesn’t reside buildings made with humans hands”) … so how could be be revering buildings themselves as somehow special?

I think the answer logically follows from the belief in the Eucharist being the real presence of God. If THAT’S true, then everything that follows: the music, the bowing down, the incense, the prayers, the garments … it all logically flows from that one premise.

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The Kingdom of God is indeed within you. You don’t need to be told what the truth is, cause the truth is within you. And guess what? Your external will help you in seeing what is going on within you. Your external is a reflection of your internal. And so, you can “test” things externally to get the answer you seek internally.

I like you…you have a good heart. Like it says in The Bible “Ask and you shall receive. Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will be open to you.”

The biggest piece of advice I can give you is to always stay true to you. No matter what you are told, or any advice you’re given, stay true to you. Your internal compass (or your soul) will always get you to where you need to go. Just remember to have “eyes that see” and “ears that hear.”