There are at least two women in Revelation. The one in chapter 17 seems to be a harlot who will come to a bad end.
Correct. And neither Mary nor the church is the whore.
Please do some research before trying to cast a doubtful shadow on Holy Mother Church.. the Church you complain about takes no definitive position doctrinally nor dogmaticallyā¦ these are popular devotions and youāre free to believe or not.
To not like anything about the Church or the Faith in itself is concerning so I will chalk it up to youāre coming from an emotional place or just confused.
God bless you
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You sure seem to be limited in what you base your arguments on.. I strongly encourage you to research more before making yourself look like a fool any further for your own credibility sake..God bless you
So, before I say what Iām about to say, hi Josephus! Weāre glad to have you here! Welcome to the forums! I hope we can have civil discussions about popular and hot-button topics surrounding certain issues without resorting to name-calling or just plain insulting someone. Just like Charlie Kirk who was a Godly man, always believed in what he termed ācivil discourse.ā Charlie believed that we should be able to talk about anything, cause it creates dialogue and may even clear a few things up for us. So, happy to have you here, and canāt wait to talk with you.
That being said, I respectfully disagree with what it is you are saying. Before I say my peace, I think itās important for you to know that I am not Catholic anymore, and that is because in my personal opinion the Catholic Church isnāt the fullness of the truth and has some holes in it. There are some actions that the Church takes that seems very suspect, and in some cases dishonest. For example, most of us have known for a while now that there have been cases of Priests molesting little children. But very rarely do you ever hear the Church taking action about these Priests.
Now does that mean the Church isnāt taking action? Not necessarily. It could very well be that the Church is taking action, but due to the nature of such crimes, theyāve decided to handle the issue privately. And if that is truly the case, then I can respect that, that is, if they actually are. What gets me is, the Church in a sense is being too quiet about such an issue, and I donāt think thatās fair to the thousands upon thousands of people who tithe every week to help fund their own Parish as well as fund their own archdiocese to remain āin the darkā about what is going on. You rarely are ever told anything concerning this issue,no statements given to the press about it, nothing!
But it seems like to me, that they are protecting these Pedophilic Priests. In fact, one of the forum members here very recently talked about how, in the past her Parish went through 2 Priests who were pedophiles, and even her current Priest is a pedophile as well. So, why the Church is protecting these Priests is very suspect to me. This is a MAJOR problem within the Church itself and it needs to be not only investigated, but it needs to be made public knowledge, otherwise more families will continue to be destroyed.
Of course this is just one out of many issues I have with the Church, but itās a big one. These are children weāre talking about, kids who are so very innocent and are having their innocence taken away. This was one of several reasons why I had to leave the Church, cause I cannot, in good conscience, stick with a religion who protects criminals and allows criminal activity. Itās wrong, and we all know it.
I think people should be allowed to post their doubts on here. Just like you should be allowed to post something that concerns you about this world we live in. Obviously we want to keep our arguments civil, thereās no need for judging or berating someone for simply having an opinion. Weāre just having a civil discourse is all.
Thank you for your time and again welcome to the forums!
Peace always,
Jacob (or Jake)
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Simply telling someone to do some research is the least bit controversial.. based on your long response to nothing actuallly pertaining to my suggestion to research more and getting your non response speaks volumes..
By the way.. but by rite of your baptism you will always be catholic. You will never stop being Catholic even if you donāt pretend to be one or carry yourself on as a Catholic. You can speak about your holy mother as much as you good or bad and she will still be your holy mother, and this has nothing to do with sick men no matter what sort of suit they are wearing no matter if they are a priest behind an altar or a pastor behind a podium..
God bless
So I actually apologize, cause I realized I was diverting from the original argument, so I apologize. Sometimes I go off on tangents and I donāt necessarily stick to the argument at hand. I was born with a stutter, so my brain goes super fast. Itās not like that of a normal hueman, so sometimes Iāll say something without thinking it all the way through, and most of the time itās after the fact and not before the fact.
However, some people do treat apparitions (or legends as Literalman said) as fact. I will say, there is a bit of truth to some things that we label as myths as not being myths but being real (according to my research anyways). Iām more interested in the truth than these legends, cause the truth is more important and the truth will set you free.
God bliss.
As far as being a Catholic for the rest of my life, thatās fine, but itās not true. First of all labels are for soup cans, not huemans. Secondly, the Catholic Church has done nothing but confuse me intellectually. If you wish to talk to me about why I left the Church, Iād be more than happy to have civil discourse over it, but one thing I will say, after I research and continue to research on what is true and what isnāt true, I have not had one doubt enter my mind about what it is I believe, whereas before when I was a very devout and avid follower, Iād have little doubts enter my head every now and then about this faith.
Iām not saying the Catholic Church canāt help anyone. The facts speak for themselves, the Catholic Church does help people. But, it did not help me at allā¦.on a number of issues.
I donāt want to in any way offend you by my response, but I have to tell you that if you were placing the rite of baptism in the same category as a label, then weāre having two different conversations. If you are interested in talking about the substance of the true faith of the Catholic Church, which is something you have not been able to touch upon Iām more than welcome to that dialogue.
Sounds like youāre stilll searching and that is good.. maybe you might even find your way back home .. considering you pray and look deeper into the Church .. beyond the old arguments designed for nothing but deception..
God bless
Hi Josephus,
Check your DMās please.
Peace Always,
Jacob (or Jake)
Blessings from Josephus! You state that I am trying to cast a shadow on the church and that I have not done any research. What in the world prompted this, and how would you know how much research I have done? (You confidently imply that I have done none.) How would you conclude this? Because I donāt share your opinion on something? And if so, that makes me emotional or confused?
If you want to discuss anything I have said, please quote it, explain why you disagree, and present the results of your own research.
Thank you.
I am replying to exactly what you said. And what you said speaks so much right from the outset. Iāll exit this conversation leaving you with that. Good luck on your search.
God bless
My search? Maybe, like Diogenes, I am searching for an honest man.