Did Judas believe Jesus was the Messiah when he sold him out?

Judas betrayed Jesus because he saw following Jesus as not being profitable for himself. He didn’t see any personal gain in being associated with Jesus as the Messiah King to overthrow Rome. Instead of viewing Jesus as a savior, Judas may have misunderstood Jesus’ mission and saw no benefit for himself in continuing to follow him. This led him to betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, ultimately making the decision to hand Jesus over to the authorities.

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Ponder this:

Judas betrayed Jesus because Judas wanted things done his way & not God’s way.

He KNEW that Jesus was our Messiah & he wanted to force Jesus to come into power as a king & remove the Romans from Israel with armies of angels & rule forever.

Just like it’s not nice to fool mother nature, it’s not nice to make your plans God’s plans.

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The Collect from Maundy Thursday (Holy Thursday) in the 1962 Mass reads as follows:
O GOD, from Whom Judas received the punishment of his guilt, and the thief the reward of his confession: grant unto us the full fruit of Thy clemency; that even as in His Passion our Lord Jesus Christ gave to each retribution according to his merits, so having cleared away our former guilt, He may bestow on us the grace of His Resurrection: Who with Thee liveth and reigneth.

This should answer what the Church traditionally believed about Judas’ fate.

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Jesus would not have saved himself because his destiny was to die for our sins.

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I am in a Discord where a Protestant speculated that “The Chosen” purposely left out the scene where St. Peter rebukes Jesus (which I cannot confirm they did or didn’t include it, as I am only at the beginning of Season 3). He thought it was left out so that Catholics would not get upset.

Catholic Christians are not afraid to point out the bad things former and current leaders have done. Follow the Trads on Twitter and you will see criticism of the 265th successor of St. Peter on the daily :joy:

We know St. Peter’s worst moments in Sacred Scripture, and we also know the moments of great conversion. Conversion is not a one-time thing. Conversion is a process. A life in Christ has wonderful high points as well as shameful moments on our part. But, Jesus never gives up on us. He certainly did not give up on St. Peter. And He doesn’t give up on us!

In Matthew 16:23, Jesus uses the Greek word skandalisomen, meaning “stumbling stone” to describe Peter’s inability to understand Jesus’ teaching that “He must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly.” Peter did not want to believe that the Lord would suffer.

Jesus replies, “Get behind me, Satan,” because, like Satan, Peter was trying to convince Jesus that He does not need to suffer and continue His mission.

The only other time this word is used in Scripture is to describe Jesus in 1 Peter 2:8, where it describes our Lord as “a stone that will make [unbelievers] stumble.”

And in St. Paul’s first letter to the church in Corinth (chapter 1, verse 23) he describes the teaching of Jesus’ crucifixion as being a “stumbling block” to Jews & Gentiles, when he writes, “We preach Christ crucified…”

Humans can’t fathom that God could, or even would suffer and die for us. I have heard Muslims argue that Christ could not be God, because how can God die? This teaching is a “stumbling block” for them as well.

Peace to all,

To me, logically, Judas became to know so did Pilate and Dismas and Longinus. The keys are given to those who become to know Jesus is God.

And I don’t think rationally Peter believed Jesus is God before until he heard the cock crow , but three times. It was logically, right then when Saint Peter gave up fear from Roman Soldiers of his own life for the Life of The Christ.

What is logically “Chosen” since 0 A.D. (Anno Domini, Latin for The beginning of Church Time and The Years of the Lord(s), The Father, Mary and Jesus and today is the New Living Sacrifice, the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of God, The Host, Jesus conceived by The Holy Spirit Family of God becoming The Christ in all mankind that transforms and glorifies and transfigures all becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being in all mankind and we are all disciples and The Apostles of Christ today who are picked to carry forward the “Chosen” Ark of The New Covenant and in a special way and not on the back of an Ox cart.

We know not to preach or proselytize but to generalize the faith for all to understand rationally and truthfully trusted and verified becoming from the Faith of Abraham and The God of Two natures, spirit and life becoming again in all.

Logically we know we cannot judge anyone but our own soul to become again.

To me the autonomy of the Power of The Holy Spirit allows one to stand self-righteous and justified before Him transformed to become again through the Power from the state of the last spirit power selected becoming glorified and transfigured in the image of the Father in the Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen

Did Judas believe Jesus was the Messiah when he sold him out?

I voted “yes”, because between September-December,1950, in a transcript dictated to Maria Valtorta by Jesus, He confirms that Judas of Kerioth (Iscariot) knew He was the Messiah (the Christ) and explained why. I’ve extracted, copied, and pasted His quote from The Notebooks: 1945-1950 (p. 606) below:

The third great, mysterious, and inexplicable defection is that of Judas Iscariot, who spontaneously wanted to belong to Christ, who enjoyed His love for three years and fed on His Word, and who, because he was disappointed in his concupiscent dreams, sold Him for thirty denarii, changing from an apostle—that is, chosen for the highest spiritual dignity—into the betrayer of the Friend, the deicide and suicide.

I voted “Hell”, because of what the Evangelist, Matthew, wrote (26:24). Also, on March 31st, 1944, in a transcript dictated to Maria Valtorta by Jesus, He explained why Judas of Kerioth (Iscariot) is there for eternity. I’ve extracted, copied, and pasted His quote from The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. 5 (ch. 601, pp. 295-296) below:

Too many people think that Judas did something of little importance. Some even go to the extent of saying that he is well deserving, because Redemption would not have taken place without him, and that he is therefore justified in the eyes of God.

I solemnly tell you that, if Hell did not already exist and was not perfect in its torments,
it would have been created even more dreadful and eternal for Judas, because of all
sinners and damned souls, he is the most damned and the biggest sinner, and throughout eternity there will be no mitigation of his sentence.

Remorse could have also saved him, if he had turned remorse into repentance. But he
would not repent and, to the first crime of betrayal, still compatible because of the great
mercy that is My loving weakness, he added blasphemy, resistance to the voices of
Grace, that still wanted to speak to him through recollections, through terrors, through
My Blood and My mantle, through My glances, through the traces of the institution of
the Eucharist, through the words of My Mother. He resisted everything. He wanted to
resist. As he had wanted to betray. As he wanted to curse. As he wanted to commit
suicide.

It is one’s will that matters in things. Both in good and in evil. When one falls
without the will to follow, I forgive.