Catholic radio apologists very wrong on abortion

David Anders of “Called to Communion” on EWTN and Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers don’t know the Catholic doctrine about abortion.

Jimmy Akin wrote that “abortion is not a religious issue” twice in his book “A Daily defense”. His statement is heresy against the Catholic Church because abortion is a violation of God’s Fifth Commandment “Thou Shall Not Murder” and the condemnation of abortion is an infallible doctrine of the Church.

David Anders completely omitted the condemnation of abortion when asked about the latest 1995 infallible Catholic doctrine. He does not even know that it is an infallible doctrine equal in authority to all the Marian dogmas and the founding of the church by Christ.

I would advise all Catholics to be wary of these men because of the errors on catholic teaching.

Not that I don’t believe you, but I would have to see the quote in full context. What did he mean by “religious issue”?

I just asked two different A.i. programs what Jimmy meant by this and both agreed that Jimmy means that opposition to abortion is not based solely on religious beliefs, but rather on universally accessible facts about human rights and biology.

When defending the Faith (after all Jimmy’s book is titled, “A Daily DEFENSE”), you would likely be defending against the opposition to the Faith. Most Christians agree that Abortion is morally sinful (for the main reason you have mentioned).

But when talking to an athirst or agnostic, you would need to defend Life using science and reason.

Because God says so, is not going to work on individuals who do not believe in God. Do you believe Jimmy Akin does not believe that abortion is taking innocent human life? Do you believe Jimmy Akin does not know what the 5th Commandment says?

Having not read this book, but knowing of it, Each topic is one page long. He could devote this page on abortion to convincing faithful Catholics what the Church teaches about abortion, but the book’s intended audience is faithful Catholic Christians who want to defend the Faith against non-Catholics.

I do think, if your quote is not leaving a word out, that Akin should have said that it is not “only” a religions issue (because it isn’t). It is also a human rights issue.

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Hi Cade_0ne

He wrote “abortion is not a religious issue” just like that twice. There are several ghastly consequences of what he wrote…

It is an actual heresy against the Catholic Church just is if he had said “Jesus did not die on the cross” or “God is not a Trinity” because the condemnation of abortion is an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church with the same authority as all the Marian Dogmas and the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ, not to mention Thou Shall Not Murder.

I believe he has no faith in God so he advises omitting Biblical references and concentrates on natural law and reason. He does not believe God’s word and power and he is teaching a worldwide listening and reading audience the same thing.

So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. Isa55:11.

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12.

Could not care less about what he thinks or what AI thinks, but I know what he said.

Thank you.

Chrisg93, chrisgriffin523@gmail.com

I agree with @Cade_One

In The Fathers Know Best, Akin has an entire chapter on abortion. At the start of that chapter he not only says that the Christian faith has always considered abortion to be gravely evil, he even quotes John Paul II’s Evangelium Vitae saying that this teaching is supported by the natural law and divine revelation and that it is an unchangeable teaching. So, it is manifestly obvious that Akin considers it a religious issue in the sense that abortion is a sin against God.

To say that he does not know the doctrine about abortion is obviously wrong. To say that he does not believe in God is calumny.

By the way, here is an excerpt from Evangelium Vitae that is relevant to this discussion:

The Gospel of life is not for believers alone: it is for everyone. The issue of life and its defence and promotion is not a concern of Christians alone. Although faith provides special light and strength, this question arises in every human conscience which seeks the truth and which cares about the future of humanity. Life certainly has a sacred and religious value, but in no way is that value a concern only of believers. The value at stake is one which every human being can grasp by the light of reason; thus it necessarily concerns everyone. (para. 101)

Then I would say that Jimmy was wrong in doing so. I also do not think that this invalidates the other points that Jimmy Akin was making.

I am reminded of a Priest who was friends with a secular jewish man who believed in evictionism. The Priest could have said to than, “The Bible says…” to a man who does not believe God even exists. But, instead he responded to him in logic and reason. He said, sure you could “evict” an unborn human person, which would lead to the individual’s life, but wouldn’t it be better to allow the baby to be born, prior to evicting her?

Which leaves his friend with one option, which is to argue why it could be better to make a choice that would undoubtedly end the life of another human being, over letting the baby live, even though it might make things difficult for mother and/or child.

Since the atheist man is more concerned with self than with God, then the things of God will not speak to him, but to put the dilemma onto the man himself, he will have to wrestle with his view, which could lead him to turn to God for the answer. Because reason can only go so far in matters of what is good and what is evil.

Canadian Priest, Cade_0ne

I never said that Akin does not believe in God. Here is what I said…

ME: “He has no faith in God so he advises omitting Biblical references and concentrates on natural law and reason. He does not believe God’s word and power and he is teaching a worldwide listening and reading audience the same thing.

You: To say that he does not believe in God is calumny.

I made an uncouth (I apologize) comment about your writing style and you accused me of calumny!!!

I think we are more than even.

Saying that abortion is not a religious issue is heresy like saying Jusus did not die on the cross.

I don’t know why you keep praising his historical statements but overlook his latest heretical statements.

He made these heretical statements several months ago on the radio, You Tube and internet and in a book which all have a worldwide audience. Does that not frighten you that people worldwide will believe and adopt his heresy.

I appreciate your clarification that you don’t think he denies the existence of God, but rather think he lacks faith in the sense of trust or confidence.

I apologize for my mischaracterization of what you said, which I regret and which was unintentional.

However, it is still very harsh and unjust to accuse Akin of lacking trust in God just because he wants to equip his readers with rational arguments against abortion (even if you don’t like the way he phrased it).

And thank you for your apology about what you wrote in the private message, which I accept. (For anyone else reading this, he didn’t say anthing seriously wrong.)

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You could not resist giving me one last insult…“harsh and unjust”. Here is one for you…“Abortion is not a religious issue” is a heresy, and you are a priest and you don’t care about heresy against an infallible doctrine.

Chris, maybe step away from the computer or put down the phone to breath a little. I get that you are very passionate about this.

Have you reached out to Mr. Akin personally? (I hear he has a show where you can call in and talk to him live ; ) In the Bible it says if someone wrongs another, go to him in private. If he does not listen (or the misunderstanding is not clarified), then take two. And if it still is not remedied, then take it to the Church (Matthew 18:15-17).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXpUrkS0s-w&t=4s

This is a well known actual graphic abortion video.

Watch this and tell me I am overacting.

This reminds me of those who say they want to end CP, but then the only ones who spread it around my social streams are those who claim they want to end it. They will say things like, “Can you believe this?” Yeah, it is gross and discussing. It is evil and horrifying. You are victimizing these children over and over again by sharing it.

If your Wife cheated on you with (pick someone who you would be most scandalized by) and you and I both agree that this is morally wrong and extremely painful. And then I go, “Hey, hey, watch this video of your Wife cheating on you! I can’t believe she did this!” Not quite the same thing, but trying to illustrate a point.

I’m not saying you can’t watch this stuff, because that would only make a lot of people want to watch it more. Like when Nick Berg was beheaded by terrorist and politicians said that I could not watch it. So I went and found the footage and watched it! It was more than disturbing. I wish that I had not watched it. I was numb for about a week. I would not have watched it had they told me I couldn’t.

If you really want individuals to watch your smut film, then tell people they can’t watch it. Demand government ban all videos of abortions. I can guarantee more people would want to watch it (and then regret having watched it).

Some videos are meant to motivate individuals to respond or to get active. I see it from both the Left and the Right. It is a form of manipulation. Just as banning something could be used as a tool of manipulation.

What happens when one pushes against something? The other embraces it and glorifies it? They make it their identity. We see this often in politics. Teenagers do this too. You think I’m a _______, I’ll show you _______. And they embrace the very thing you accused them of. It is almost predictable and if someone wanted to use psychology to manipulate the masses, it would not be hard to do.

Show videos that get the outraged to act and then the response to the action grows the reaction. Sometimes to the point where the sides switch entirely.

The way to beat the manipulation is to ask yourself, Is this the outrage of the day? And if it is, then don’t bite.

Everyone these days (especially young people) have to have a cause to feel important. I’m seeing individuals who used to say they were anti-War putting flags in their bio (choosing a side and calling for the funding of war). How did this happen? Easy. Their opponent claimed to not be for the war, then they are labeled as supporters of the opposition and then these individuals embrace the accusation and put a different flag in their bio and the cycle continues.

We have made abortion a political issue instead of a moral truth and half the country has made abortion a cause, something to be celebrated and “a right” to be protected. This is sick, but not surprising. It is predictable behavior. Want to change the behavior, unplug from the system. Turn off the outrage-porŋ and stop spreading it around.

Let’s unclutch the pearls here please.

I have no idea what you mean.

This is what Mr. Akin stated about abortion not being a “religious issue” in context: Abortion as a “Religious Issue” | Catholic Answers Podcasts

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Thank you for sharing this. And welcome : )

Yes, he is trying to cover-up his heresy with a misdirection. His misdirection is to use human rights arguments and disregard anything about God, the Bible and Catholic teaching.

  1. His statement “abortion is not a religious issue” is blatant heresy because it is a denial of the 5th commandment and infallible Catholic doctrine.

  2. “But the truth is that abortion is not a religious issue”. This is his second blatant heresy made drastically worse by proclaiming that he is telling the truth!

  3. He has lied to the entire internet and therefore to the entire world and committed public heresy against the Catholic Church.

  4. He insulted God by denying his Commandment because he thinks God is not worthy to be talked about or quoted

  5. He discards the 5th Commandment of God Thou Shall Not Murder.

  6. Now many Catholics and people all over the world have been lied toabout abortion.

Mr. Akin is simply pointing out that those who support abortion often claim that abortion is a religious issue and so cannot be forced on others. He is showing that abortion (clearly) is wrong even if one approaches the issue from a secular standpoint. You should really seek to understand before you start hurling attacks at others.

Again, when are you calling into “Catholic Answers Live” to discuss with Jimmy his errors? But, you have to put it in the form of a question and not as an accusation.

What you expound makes no sense. Abortion is a medical procedure that is mostly hidden inside abortion clinics. The video I presented shows the absolute Satanic and brutal execution of an innocent baby that most people never see or have ignored. It can be compared to film of the Nazi deathcamps that are widely shown. Everybody should know the satanic nature of abortion and the film shows it. Your appraisal is tremendously wrong

You missed the point completely. Akin committed heresy by saying “Abortion is not a religious issue” and then even worse “The truth is that abortion is not a religious issue”. Heresy is the denial of an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church which is exactly what he did no matter how you try to disguise it.

I feel sorry for you since you don’t regard heresy as important, needing to be called out. I can imagine many non-Catholics worldwide taking this as official Catholic teaching since it came from a Catholic apologist on a Catholic radio show and book.

Obviously, you do not understand the Catholic Church or the condemnation of abortion.