I am a Pro-Life Libertarian. Right now we have a couple Pro-Life candidates running for the Libertarian nomination at our National Convention this May in Washington D.C.
The Abolish Abortion PAC has endorsed Joshua Smith for President, Justin Amash for Senate, and congressman Thomas Massie for re-election to the House of Representatives.
Although, whom we elect to office is important, we need to change hearts and minds. Holding up signs and shouting at people is not the answer.
I think that what is lost on most in the pro-life movement is that God could end abortion at any time. I donāt think God is waiting for people to whine enough or lash out enough, I think God is trying to get something better out of us through this. And I do think that involvement in politics is one of the āsecondary objectivesā for God in this. Changing hearts and minds, that is even more what Iām talking about, although how do you do that is ever the question.
Hi jaytea,
I have thought about this also. The only thing I can think of and which I do believe is that God is allowing abortion to separate the wheat from the tares. Pro-abortion mothers are actually slowly aborting themselves out of existence.
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This is why people canāt get religious and live their own lives. Every pregnancy is not always going to bring a fully healthy embryo into a fetus and then a full term baby. I didnāt even know I was pregnant and I started bleeding and had to go to the nearest hospital. Unfortunately it was a Catholic hospital. As the life was draining from my body slowly and then quicker into hemorrhaging and fighting for my life. The nuns were not concerned about my health and life, only saving a three week embryo. I suffered for 12 hours. Finally a proper surgeon gave me immediate surgery to remove the death of the embryo with a D&C. I survived this horrific ordeal. I was never so scared of losing my life. The surgeon saved my life. I was 21 years old. Thereās a reason why I was losing the pregnancy, it was very damaged internally and would never have evolved into a normal pregnancy. Iām 57 Years Old Now and I remember it like it was yesterday. Science must prevail over faith based religious views and beliefs.
Iām sorry to hear about your horrible experience, Elsa. If the embryo was dead, you didnāt need and didnāt get an abortion. From what you say, you didnāt get proper medical care. An abortion is intended to end the life of the baby. Sometimes the baby cannot survive. Sometimes a woman cannot survive a pregnancy. Good medical care protects the mother and baby. Dr. Bruchalski, a former abortionist and founder of Divine Mercy Care, wrote a book called Two Patients (the mother and baby). Divine mercy (Godās mercy and Dr. Bruchalskiās organization) is about caring for both patients, and Divine Mercy Care provides free obstetrical care to those who need it. I wish it had been there for you.
First, I am sorry that this was your experience. My Wife and I lost our baby boy late in the pregnancy and it was one of the hardest things we have ever had to go through. What also hurts is when pro-aborts claim that a D&C is abortion. It isnāt and to claim it is ads to the pain of what my Wife went through. An abortion is taking a life of an innocent human being. A D&C (as I understand it) is removing an innocent baby who has already lost her life. There is a big difference.
You clearly have a lot of pain and resentment that you need healing from. It is not goo to hold onto these feelings. I know that the last thing you want to hear is that Jesus loves you and your little one. And that He wants to bring healing to your life. You came here to this forum for a reason. You are seeking something (Someone). Perhaps a punching bag (Catholic Christians) or God Himself. Punch away, if you think this will bring you peace. But, know that when you are exhausted from causing others, whom you believe hurt you, pain, Jesus is still there, waiting for your embrace. He loves you. And only He can bring you the peace you long for.
Dilation and curettage is a method of emptying the womb, whether the womb contains a baby (living or dead), polyps, or something else.
Thank you for the literal meaning : ) My point stands that reasons for emptying and matter do matter.
Certainly it matters. But you said that a D&C isnāt abortion. It can be, and often it is.
It is not an abortion. I have witnessed family members who are pro-abortion try to make this claim to justify aborting unborn living babies. It is sick! And these same individuals claim to be empathetic. It is very hurtful to individuals who love and want their baby, but have lost them to be told that they aborted their baby.
I get what the technical term is, but we must distinguish between taking life and respecting life.
How would this justify aborting living babies?
Iām going to blow your mind because there are abortions that donāt kill the babies. Induction abortions and hysterotomy abortions allow the baby to live. You might not like their designation as abortion like you donāt like that a D&C can be a type of abortion but medically that is what they are. That is how they will be coded. And abortion ends a pregnancy by definition, it doesnāt have to kill a baby.
I know the Church has specific language for things but so does the field of medicine.
By saying that if you are okay with a D&C, then you have to be for abortion. I didnāt say their argument makes logical sense.
I would not define this as an abortion, unless they are extracting the baby to destroy the innocent life.
They say who controls the language rules the world. Iām not trying to rule the world (in spite of what the Tears for Fears song says), but I do want to define terms for the sake of keeping the argument fair and honest.
Yeah, I know and we see the medical āexpertsā bending the knee to religion all the time. Many in the medical field now believe that men can be women and women can be men.
If 99% of the medical community believed life begins when a baby talks for first time and therefore okay to discard, it would not make it so. They can use the term viable to mean whatever they want. It is why I reject the term viable all together. It is used to de-humanize a human being and will one day be used to describe the elderly to justify euthanasia.
Something Iāve been hearing the past few years that is an attempt to justify abortion is the claim that a baby isnāt alive until it takes its first breath. I even heard this recently from a medical person (I donāt know whether she was a nurse, but she was wearing scrubs). But as Bruised Reed pointed out, even a breathing baby is considered disposable by some people. The law to protect babies born alive failed in Congress.
Why wouldnāt you define them as abortions? That is what they are. They are designed to end a pregnancy not the babyās life.
Why not just start calling taking a dump an abortion. That is what it is? You are ending a bowel movement. Why not start calling it an abortion too? How many abortions have you had?
Expelling the lifeless body of your child is not an abortion. To call it this is insensitive. If you have ever had to experience the loss of your child and had a D&C, I Pray that you do not believe the lie that āyou have had an abortion.ā These people are sick and want to shame you into accepting abortion as being morally acceptable.
Furthermore, if a loved one dies in your home, should you leave them there? Or are you āabortingā them from your home? There are people who claim not to be pro-abortion, but would prefer the term āevictingā the baby from ātheir body.ā Murray N. Rothbard held this view that a mother has the right to evict the āintruderā from her womb. I like Rothbard, but he was wrong on this issue and his friend told him such, saying that, say you find a stow-away on your plane or boat, would it not be better to land the plane or dock the boat before evicting the human being? How much more wrong would it be to evict an innocent human being?
Now if the stow-away has died it might not be wise to keep the remains on the boat and justified to remove the body. Much like, it probably is not a good idea to leave grandma in her recliner if she passes.
I recently heard a story about a woman who died in her chair while watching television. Her body was not discovered until he bank account was drained from auto-bill-pay and her electricity was shut off (and therefore the noise and light from the television was too) and her rent payments had halted to a stop. Only then did her neighbors think something was out of the ordinary. The smell of the rotting vessel was assumed as coming from the trash bins outside the apartments.
Iām getting off topic here. My point is there is a difference between removing a lifeless body and causing the death of another human being. And to claim that these two things are the same to make yourself feel better about condoning murder is insane. And to say that removing a lifeless body is not the easiest decision to make, but sometimes necessary.
Hope this helps illustrate where I am coming from. You are never going to convince me that abortion is good. Nor that having a D&C to remove a lost child is abortion. Nor that taking a dump is having an abortion. You can call these tings whatever you want (medically speaking), but they are not the same things.
So, how man abortions have you had? Hopefully none. And if you have, there is healing and God can use your story for good. But, donāt try to justify your āchoice.ā
And if you have not checked in on your loved ones in a while, might not be a bad idea ; )
I didnāt even know I was pregnant. Because I was using protection. And the embryo was causing me a lot of bleeding. My body was rejecting it. I donāt want mean to sound rude because I actually survived. But women are dying from septic shock because some states have outrageous laws about heartbeats and a 19 year old girl died. She was 5 months pregnant and had every intention of keeping her pregnancy intact. But the fetus was dead. The heart beat didnāt stop until the very last. And the parents wanted to move her out of state but there wasnāt enough time. The D&C that suctions dead tissue that can save a human life, is actually also used to suction waste after an abortion. But it is an instrument that can no longer be used in hospitals. There are many many things that can go wrong in a pregnancy. At any stage of the pregnancy. I would just say that if you had a female reproductive system, you might understand that things just arenāt meant to be. I held my best friendās hand while she had a termination because she was white and the father was Hispanic. Her mother kicked her out until she got rid of it. She temporarily had to live with my mother and myself. So when she finally got married to her momās approval to a white man, their only child, a son was a homosexual and drag queen! Ironic. I have nothing against the LGBTQ community. The best neighbor I ever had was a lesbian and she was a very good person. I donāt believe that is a choice because then when did you, me or anyone decide to be straight? You didnāt. Science saves lives, if you were hemorrhaging to death would you go to church or a hospital? You see these are the reasons people donāt like church. When someone says, Iām a Christian, I stay far away. Like that son from 19 kids and counting whatever. And yes, this is a actual fact, he did enter his credit card number into a website to watch an 18 month old baby girl get raped. Fact
Exactly. Women throughout their lives need constant attention to reproductive issues. Birth control pills help prevent heavy bleeding. I just donāt feel angry at all. Iām sorry that women have to suffer and die because of religion. Itās in the constitution and the first amendment that there is freedom against religious beliefs. I donāt belong to this religion anymore. Itās basically for men.
One of the many reasons why feminism exists is because, these people who control the narrative want to downplay the role of women. In The Bible, they make women out as if theyāre second class citizens. This is also one of the reasons why the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine are upside down and topsy turvy. Now we have men who have more feminine qualities and we have women with more masculine qualities. In Earthās History, not once, not even when Jesus roamed this Earth, not once have we seen the Light side of the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine. We have seen nothing but the Dark side of both. And because we have seen the Dark side of both, thatās why thereās an imbalance in Feminine and Masculine energies. Right now the world needs its women to show the Light side of Feminism, because the Masculine is trying to snuff out the Feminine. The people who control the narrative want Trans Men to be the one having childrenā¦ā¦..
This is why itās so imperative for us to do inner healing. Huemanity is in a pressure cooker, and people are way more upset and more confused about everything than they ever have been. WAKE UP HUEMANITY! Youāre only driving yourself to extinction!
According to my rabbi friend, who has since passed away. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and Greek and when it was published in English the language, the definitions donāt make sense. The orthodox Jewish community has women eating, washing, sleeping and sitting in different chairs than their wives. The whole sodomy is an abomination is very different than regular English definitions. Orthodox Jews believed that women were a lower class group than the orthodox men. And abomination in Hebrew is defined like, non traditional. Not some fiery pit of flames. Because when two men lay together one has to ābe ā the woman. On the bottom so to speak. Orthodox Jewish women still to this day wear wigs and sleep in separate beds as their husbands when they are menstruating. Her chair is not fit for the orthodox male to sit on. You know that when king James wrote his version of the Bible, it was a huge deal. Say like 9/11 was. Because he was very homosexual. And he enjoyed group sex with men. He did his duty and he procreated for the crown. But I find it strange that he has his name on a bible!
Peace to all,
He authorized and commissioned a new English translation of the Bible for the Church of England at the Hampton Court Conference in 1604 [1, 2]. The resulting work, completed in 1611, is formally known as the Authorized Version but is universally referred to as the King James Version (KJV) or King James Bible in his honor [1, 2].
The translation effort was carried out by a committee of around 47 scholars and divines, not the king himself [2]. Therefore, his ānameā on the Bible signifies his role as the monarch who sponsored and sanctioned its creation and use, not as its author.
That is an interesting point of view. King James did not physically write the Bible himself. Rather, the name āKing Jamesā refers to King James VI of Scotland, who became King James I of England in 1603 [1].
The original 1611 King James Bible contained 80 books . However, the version most commonly used today has 66 books, after the 14 books of the Apocrypha were removed in subsequent editions. The 66 books consist of 39 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament.
Peace always,
Stephen