To me, Baptism is a Sacrament of Death to Life becoming again

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Peace to all,

What makes Christ real comes down logically to one thing, to me. If John the Baptist is Elijah.

Jesus was Baptized by John for rebirth in the New Eve becoming again into the image of the Creator and God for the Father. United as one in being together from the Father through the soul of The Christ re-Sanctified by Baptism for the flesh from Death to life becoming again for all, glorified and transfigured. And Jesus Baptized His Mother for Her Glorious Assumption, becoming again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Queen of Heaven.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Thank you for taking the time to write this.

I have a question that has been with me for so many years, and I donā€™t know if you or anyone else can answer it or if this is the right place to ask.

Years back, a devoted Catholic (Iā€™m not going into details for now) asked me to affirm the Christian faith by making the cross sign. They made a cross sign on my forehead with holy water.

I felt enormous change, I felt I was a different person, and my life changed in the years that followed for the better with an eagerness to read the Bible, the word of God.

I ignored the whole thing at that time, and I never enquired about it anymore.

The person is no longer with us today and I want to know whether they performed baptism on me or not (I must add I do not come from a Christian background).

I would appreciate it if someone would answer my question and my thirst for acquiring knowledge.

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Thanks for reading Swiwen55 and anyone can Baptize anyone, as I understand.

To me I would say you had a good Baptism.

What logically happens in Baptism is the recipient accepts the Will of The Father and the soul becomes sanctified for the spirit through the flesh by the Living Waters, to me logically and faithfully. To me the spirit is Baptized to manifest becoming again for the soul through the Body of Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirt.

And to me, it sounds like you had a Good Baptism, logically, and faithfully becoming into the New Eve, incorruptible for the spirit through your soul through the Body to become again, glorified and transfigured, to me in logic and through faith.

Batpism sanctifies the spirit through the flesh for the soul for the spirit to become again.

Baptism is death to life in the flesh, and any Christian with water even an athiest can Baptize, using the words.
What is your Baptismal name?

What are you asking of Godā€™s Church?
Sponsors: Person: Faith.
What does faith hold out to you?
Sponsors: Person: Everlasting life.

If, then, you wish to inherit everlasting life, keep the commandments, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself

ā€œI baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spiritā€.
while getting any water and wetting the hand and making the sign of the cross, on brow and brest. With the thumb the priest traces the sign of the cross on the brow and on the breast of the child, saying to the recipient, to me Even one sigh of the cross anywhere will work, logically and through faith and saying the words.

What logically happens is Sacramental Baptism through Water by the recipient, and no special powers are required for anyone to Baptize to my understanding.

No need for anyone to be Baptized twice, but just you decide to redo the Baptism, tell the person doing your Baptism and it you canā€™t find anyone, go to any church @ 10-11 AM any Sunday, any church, and see a minister, even a lay person there can direct you.

I Baptized a Person 1st time last month, Googled how to do it and
have not Baptized another, yet. The person said exactally what you said, after the Baptism, and it really struck me to heaar the person say, just that, really felt it.
I basically said the words, used water and made the sign of the cross and said teh words, basically, Asking teh recipient if He makes Jesus his salvation, basically in those words.

And also Google and read information if you can on how to Baptize, verifying this information, for we always know to trust but verify.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Many thanks, Stephen, for the reply.

I must say Iā€™m overwhelmed with love!

I can find comfort in knowing I was baptized 25 years ago and stop dwelling on different thoughts that I had.

I appreciate the time and effort you put into answering.

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It doesnā€™t sound like the official form of baptism, but maybe it was baptism, and God can touch us through any act of faith, and it sounds like He clearly touched you.

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Maybe.

Maybe it was a blessing with holy water with no value.

You are correct, whatever it was, I was touched, and for better.

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Peace to all,

Yes, Baptism, Saint John the Baptist was the first to Baptize and he Baptized Jesus. I think it was because Jesus was in the New Eve from birth. Baptism allowed jesus through death and resurrection to become again, glorified and transfigured. Mary was from Eve, made incorruptible when Mary said, ā€œLet not my will but Your Will be done.ā€ and Mary was Baptized with the Holy Spirit in the Upper room at the Jewish Pentecost after Jesusā€™ Glorification and Transfiguration. St Peter was with St Paul in Corinth and said, ā€œWho would not Baptize those St Paul Baptized with the Holy Spirit.ā€

Peace always,
Stephen

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Peace be with you all.

Thereā€™s a lot going on here!

Iā€™m sorry to have to say that not everything @StephenAndrew has said is accurate. For example, there is no Biblical evidence that John the Baptist is bodily incorruptible. The Bible actually says he was killed. We also have relics of St. John the Baptist that do not show signs of bodily incorruptibility. Of course, he will receive an incorruptible body at the resurrection.

And I would like to offer @shiwen55 a word of welcome to this forum. Itā€™s good to have you with us!

As Stephen correctly noted, anyone can confer Baptism.

For a Baptism to be conferred validly it requires proper matter, form, and intention.

You mentioned water was used, which is necessary for Baptism. However, the legislation of the church speak of the water having to flow over the head of the person. I do not know whether someone tracing a cross on your forehead would count as water flowing.

The form of Baptism is: ā€œ[Name], I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.ā€ If anything is said differently it is either not a valid Baptism or probably not valid.

For it to be a valid Baptism, the intention of the person who used the water and the said the words must be to perform Baptism (and not just to give you some sort of blessing). Also, since you were presumably an adult when this happened, there would have to be faith in Christ on your part and the intention to receive Baptism.

So, there are a lot of remaining questions:
-Whether the tracing with water would be valid.
-Whether the proper formula was used.
-Whether your friend intended to confer Baptism on you.
-Whether you had faith in Christ and wished to be baptized.

Although I cannot give a certain judgment, I have doubts about whether you received Baptism. If you want this question resolved, I would recommend that you meet with the parish priest where you live to discuss this matter with him.

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Hi,

Many thanks for taking time reading through my question. I do appreciate that.

To summarise and answering your key points:

  • It was holy water used to make the cross sign on my forehead (water used)
  • The friend asked me a few questions regarding Jesus and if I believed in him, which in return I confirmed
  • The friend asked me to make the cross sign and saying in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, which I did
  • I affirmed believing in Jesus.

I did not know and did not asked whether the person was performing a baptism or not and sadly, he is no longer with us.

From my end, I never enquired either.

And thatā€™s where the question remains, which I keep reminding myself that a man should not know everything.

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Peace to all,

True Father, water flowing and enough to create any flow, and sign of cross, words of Acceptance as Jesus is Lord and God.

So true Father, Also, since you were presumably an adult when this happened, there would have to be faith in Christ on your part and the intention to receive Baptism.

And Thanks the update on John the Baptist, Father, I have updated post and I will review before I speak on St John, thanks. I just had a quick question? Why is he least in the Kingdom? Thanks in advance.

And when Baptism happens as adults the words very similar as Father says should be heard, said as Father gives us proper council on this matter, Thank you Father,

Peace always,
Stephen

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Thanks to AI, I have found something which affirms what Father said above.

Iā€™d like to add at that time, I was going through a difficult time, breaking up with my ex and so on and I was not fully focused to ask even.

Hereā€™s a Q&A from catholic.com:

(Iā€™m only posting the answer)

For the baptism of someone who has the use of reason, its validity depends upon the will of the recipient. If the recipient does not know heā€™s being baptized or does not want to be baptized, then his free will would cause the sacrament to be invalid.

If, however, the recipient is not opposed to the sacrament and reluctantly agrees to be baptized, then the baptism would be valid. The recipientā€™s free will would most likely be unwilling to make use of the graces imparted by the sacrament, but it would be valid nonetheless.

Iā€™m over 50 years old and at this age, Iā€™m thinking deeply about life and how far I have come. Hence, I like to find answers to some questions I have never received a reply.

Thank you for your time.

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Peace to all,

Sounds like all is good on your Baptism, have you been Confirmed?

Thanks, and how far away is the nearest Catholic church? To your location? Someone there can help, at any mass they will be happy to talk to you, in all cases.

Logically, There are two Sacraments of Death to Life. In the Flesh we are Baptized becoming into the New Eve, The Church and from the Holy Spirit, The Sacrament Penance, being forgiven, restores the friendship and becoming again, glorified and transfigured as one in being in the Holy Spirit

Logically Confirmation re-sanctifies through Penance, forgiven and in Communion with Him friendship is restored from the Spirit through the soul of the being for the flesh of the Body of Christ in you to become again, glorified and transfigured together with all mankind.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Hi Stephen,

I do not know of any Catholic church nearby, but we have a Baptist church locally. I donā€™t know whether I can ask the Baptist Revd. or not.

I think I should start believing that I was baptised or at least assume where there is nothing to prove it, even though the friend did not utter the wording loudly or maybe I did not hear.

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Yes, Shiwen55,

We know, Not to worry, we know most people can help if asked and they know how, Nurses perform emergency Baptisms all the time, in hospitals.

The Baptist minister can help you, He can advise talk to you and administer the Sacrament of Baptism again, if he sees it necessary and can help easily.

To me the logic follows His teachings and the processes can be seen through all the Sacraments. Logically and faithfully Baptism and Penance are the Two Sacraments used in Christian salvation, the Flesh and spirit resurrection He promised Abraham and Isaac and swore by His own Name eternal life to the descendants of Abraham and 2000 years later fulfilled His promise through His Son from the spirit through the flesh for the souls of the bodies for all becoming The Christ, becoming again. Through generalizing, rationally and not preaching or proselytizing, logically, to me what will work best is always through the Catholic church and through all the wondrous mysteries of transformation of thw failed flesh and spirit, the failed created love through the Faith, giving us the power to reconcile through sound judgment and work proven Penance, forgiven in Sacrifice and in Communion with Him, and we know only to judge our own soul through the autonomy of the Holy Spirit to be able to stand justified and self-righteous before Him to enter the Eternal Holy Spirit Family and One God in being, From the Father through the Son in the love of the One Mother, all present in the logical infallible intelligence logic as Persons of God in being before creation was ever created was even created, in Heaven and Earth becoming again, from the New Adam through the New Eve for all mankind fulfilled from the fulfilled faith and morality through His Passion for all in the One Holy Spirit Being.

Romans 11:36
36 For from him and through him and for Mary are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

To me, just generalizing, logically, Mary belongs in the Trinity.

God Bless.

Peace always,
Stephen Andrew

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Hi Stephen,

Thank you.

I had a chance to be alone and thought about that day in my life in more depth.

I have a feeling that I did say I wish to be Christian, but too vague now to remember after all these years.

I can only put my hope and trust in Lord Jesus and accept that baptism was performed and get on with my daily life, serving God.

Have a wonderful day.

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ā€œa blessing with holy water with no valueā€: maybe not baptism, but not without value. I used to be a volunteer hospital chaplain (not ordained), and I baptized a couple of people. When a person was lying in bed, I couldnā€™t pour water over his head, so I used a very small amount from a bottle of holy water I carried. Also, not being ordained, I couldnā€™t anoint someone with oil, even aside from Anointing of the Sick, but I found a blessing of the sick that Catholic lay people could use, involving holy water, and I did that a few times. It was not a sacrament, but it had value to the people who received it.

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I think I should explain something here.

ā€˜no valueā€™ does not mean nothing in value or void, itā€™s relative to baptism, not actual blessing.

Thanks.

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I believe you are referring to Matthew 11:11, where Jesus says: ā€œAmen I say to you, there hath not risen among them that are born of women a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is the lesser in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.ā€

Christ may be speaking in an exaggerated way here to speak about the greatness of entering the kingdom (i.e. the Church) after his death and resurrection. It is a privilege to be spiritually united in Christ in this way, even for those who are not as prominent as John the Baptist.

But I have found that there are other interpretations among the fathers of the Church.

One theory is that Jesus is referring to the angels.

Yet another theory is that Jesus is referring to himself as the one who is ā€œlesserā€ (in the sense that he was born after John), but who is truly greater on account of his divine nature.

Another theory is that he is speaking of the apostles as being greater.

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If you want to be a Christian, I strongly advise that you speak with a Catholic priest. He can help determine the validity of your Baptism and, if a doubt remains, administer Baptism conditionally.

Baptism is a serious matter because it is necessary for salvation.

As Jesus said: ā€œAmen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.ā€

And I specifically mention a Catholic priest because the Catholic Church is the kingdom established by God.

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Hi and thank you all for your contributions, I appreciate it most.

I met a Baptist Revd over coffee today.

We had a lengthy conversation but he said baptism should be performed in proper way and what I felt was the presence of God and maybe I was anointed.

Have a wonderful day everyone.

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