Sabbath: Saturday or Sunday?

When I read the 10 Commandments, it all sounds very universal and straightforward: don’t kill, don’t lie, don’t cheat on your spouse, don’t steal, honor your mother and father, don’t be envious.

These are rules that are hard to argue with, regardless of religion, and are timeless truths across cultures. And even when we get to Jesus these commandments aren’t “done away with” but actually intensified: don’t kill even in your thoughts … for thoughts become actions, and it’s from the heart where corruption blooms.

But then we get to the Sabbath where so many are divided over. Not only is “not universal”, meaning it’s something that has to be revealed to you from above (children aren’t born recognizing it, but it has to be taught)…. But ALSO seems to have changed from Saturday to Sunday.

I “sort of” understand the justification of it. It was changed to honor the resurrection of Jesus. But still … the laws were written in stone. :thinking:

I know right?

You would think that by changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday wouldn’t really matter right? Ok, so we’re just moving it to a different day. No harm done right? But then I found this little truth bomb on the internet. For once the internet is being truthful, but they have to put it there to avoid karmic retribution, but this couldn’t be further from the truth:

Sun God eh? I thought there was only one God, what’s this about a Sun God? This guy worships the Sun? Or, I guess in this case the “Sun God?” But then I remember seeing this curious mosaic located directly beneath The Vatican (specifically St. Peters Basilica)

You wanna take a guess of what this mosaic is depicting? Well, somewhere nearby it says that this is a mosaic depicting Jesus as the Sun God!

So who is this Constantine character? I’ll tell you what he is. He’s a :clown_face: that’s what he is. The man’s a Sun Worshipper! And he was part of the Roman empire? Well, of course it would only make sense they’d worship the Sun God before Jesus anyday. After all, these were the same people who killed him.

I mean, I guess you could chalk it up to coincidence if that’s what you really believe….but I dunno…..seems pretty odd to me….

But the Ten Commandments don’t specify which day is the Lord’s Day. Maybe if we honor God one day each week individually and communally, it doesn’t matter which day it is. To Jews and Seventh Day Adventists the sabbath is Saturday. If we sincerely honor God one day each week, I don’t see how that breaks the commandment.

Peace to all,

The Sabbath is the Day in the Baptized New Eve from Sacrifice in the New Adam through the New Living Sacrifice for The Christ from Sacrifice through Penance forgiven in all becoming again in all One Family.

The Host transforms, glorifies and transfigures by contact of all or even any of the senses becoming again in all One Family.

“Begotten, not made” is a core Trinitarian phrase from the Nicene Creed, meaning Jesus (the Son) isn’t a created being but shares the Father’s divine nature, being eternally generated (begotten) as God from God, unlike creatures made by God; the whole phrase emphasizes the Son’s full divinity and the shared, Two Nature Christ in all, yet distinct and two natures united spirit and life, in the Holy Spirit Family, uniting believers in a common faith and divine life and divine spirit in One Family One God in being.

Through the New Temple of the Living Sacrifice through the New Eve from Sacrifice in the New Adam for the Christ, we become again One Family.

Peace always,
Stephen

Hey Earth Student.

I’m aware that there’s quite a lot of conspiracies involving Emperor Constantine. There’s the Da Vinci Code types that think Christianity (in its entirety) was essentially created at the Council of Nicaea. And then there are other types of Christians that thinks Constantine corrupted Christianity … and from that corruption sprang the Catholic Church.

Personally, I don’t buy into it too much. There are passages that pre-date Constantine that say that Sunday (whether it was called that day at the time or not, I don’t know … but let’s just say “the day after Saturday”) was the day that Christians met up to “break bread” (in other words, to partake of the Eucharist).

As far as Sun God worship, lots of ancient cultures worshipped the Sun (probably most), … but how does Paul say that he evangelizes to people of different cultures? He says he becomes “all things to all people”. When he’s talking with the Greeks he doesn’t completely denounce their false gods like Zeus and the pantheon. He says, “As even your own poets have said. “We are his children.” “

He is saying, in essence, you have PART of the truth, but not the whole truth. When I think of this worshipping of the sun on Sunday, I can imagine some of the early church saying, “Well, they worship the Sun God, (a part of creation), while we worship the true light … the actual “Son” “ ….

PS. I’m well aware that that sun/son wordplay only exists in English :smirking_face: But it was too funny.

My main question was how such a thing developed: gradually or right away. Whether they celebrated the traditional Sabbath ALONG with meeting on Sunday… or whether the old sabbath was looked at as a “foreshadowing” of the New Sabbath.

Maybe something like, “The old sabbath was a celebration of the creation of the physical universe … while this new sabbath celebrates the “new” creation. The “let there be light” of a new birth in Christ.

I don’t know if this was the argument or not, but I’m just thinking out loud :sweat_smile:

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Mazrocon,
re: “I ‘sort of’ understand the justification of it. It was changed to honor the resurrection of Jesus.”

Just as an aside, it might be interesting to note that scripture is silent with regard to anyone celebrating the first day of the week in honor of the resurrection.

That’s a good observation!

I wonder if it becomes more explicit in early church father writings?

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Ok, which is fine, cause I’m sure back in the day, rumors still existed. I mean it’s 2025, but let’s be real here, some things never change.

What gets me though is….you have a mosaic underneath St. Peters Basilica, that literally says “Jesus as the Sun God.” And it wouldn’t be such a big deal, but the Basilica has been around since the 4th Century, so it’s pretty old. So, if the truth is, Constantine wasn’t a Sun Worshipper and that’s just a rumor, then why would we have a mosaic underneath St. Peters Basilica depicting Jesus as the Sun God? Again, I don’t believe in coincidence….I think there are certain people in the Vatican who knows exactly why that’s still there.

It’s so funny now that we’re talking about this. I had a friend who actually took tours underneath the Basilica, and he actually did ask, he said “Why is it that there’s like trinkets and artifacts of other gods underneath the Vatican. And the tour guide said “Oh, those were given to us by a company and they don’t want to take this exhibit down.” Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…likely story!

That’s what I’m saying, yes I have no way of actually saying that my little description of Constantine is accurate, but there’s something going on and I would kind of like to know what’s going on. Again, the reason I left the Church was because I had certain questions that weren’t really given an answer, and it got so bad to where I was like “Something is off about this religion. I don’t know what it is and I can’t really put a finger on it, but the fact there are certain questions that I find important, not being answered or being answered in a way that seems like they’re ignoring something or tip-toeing around the issue, I don’t really care for that. I said this once and I’ll say it again, there are certain things that The Church is omitting from the public. Omitting anything is not going to get us anywhere. When it comes to the truth, you should put all information on the table. I don’t care if a Pope, or a Cardinal doesn’t want the public to know certain things, how can everyone know what is true and what isn’t true if we’re not given straight answers on everything? Cause I personally think someone, I don’t know who, but someone or a group of people are, on purpose, omitting information to the public. If I’m going to have an opinion on something, I want all of it! And yes….I would like to see all 777 books of The Bible so I can make a better and informed choice for myself on what it is I believe. Because after a while, you never get a straight answer and, it just makes you look bad you know what I mean?

Because just like you people, I just want the truth. If the truth is believing that Jesus is my Lord and Savior and that it is through Him we are saved because of his sacrifice on the Cross, then I will go back to Church and go through all the motions of becoming a Parishoner again. I’m one of those people who believe in making an informed choice, because there’s a lot of manipulation and smoke and mirrors bullcrap that go on. I don’t want all of that….here’s my question, so just give me an answer. And some of these Priests, Cardinals, etc… would say “I don’t know.” And that’s fine, cause sometimes that is the answer “I don’t know.” But…when I found that there’s this thing called the Vatican Secret Archives, then, my mindset was “Ok….so I’m guessing it’s possible that a whole lot of people don’t really know what’s in there. But, it’s weird how we have that to begin with.” It’s just really fishy, you know what I mean? For a lot of the Church Hierarchy, to not actually know what’s down there, makes this even more sus.

Because now I’m at a stand-still. Do I take on this religion and its rules even though there’s some stuff that the public, in general will never see (basically do I rely on Faith alone for some of these questions), or do I continue to search for the truth. And it’s very possible that I might not ever find it, and I knew that from the beginning. But…when I did start searching for the truth myself….I’m figuring things out that would’ve really helped in my innerstanding of Jesus and God as a whole.

If you can be ok with certain things being unknown, then props to you. I want the truth, and yes, I am a huge skeptic. I figure things out based on what I observe, test, and research. Maybe this makes me a terrible person, but I want the truth, and as a person who values knowledge and honesty, I cannot in good faith be a part of a religion where even the higher ups are clueless regarding the mysteries surrounding The Vatican. All I’m asking for is transparency, that’s all. Ok, so if it’s not a big deal if the public never sees whats in those Archives, then why have them to begin with? Why label them “Vatican Secret Archives?” For me it’s about transparency more than anything.

I too am disappointed by the secrecy. Certainly a lot of the sex abuse crisis was covered up, and maybe some still is. Other things are kept hidden. Why? And, indeed, why are there secret archives? A web search finds that the archives contain diplomatic records, documents concerning Galileo and Henry VIII. Why are they kept hidden?

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Peace to all,

So true, EarthsStudent, I believe.

Logically nothing is omitted and only do they not know OMNiLogically, The Holy Spirit is the Family of God, and Mary is Mother of God preexisting in the Trinity Family.

What is it they don’t have logically, i believe is my phone number, and I will always say:

Hello, yes how are you today? So ture, Mary is God, too. In the Holy Family always together in One God in being becoming again in all Creation One God. This is just whom Jesus is, how God does it from where they came becoming again.

And then some say, “I want or we need a two state solution?” I know. Good day.

Peace always,
Stephen

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Well, I’m just curious. There’s a lot that’s being hidden from us, and I don’t particularly care for that. I’m just being real, I find it to be dishonest. When it comes to any issue, whether it be religion or a hot button topic like abortion, I want to find out as much as I possibly can, on both sides of the argument so I can make a well-informed choice.

And I feel like it’s important to lay every bit of information you have out on the table. How can I make a good decision when there’s so many things that seem sort of off? How can I be certain that this religion is the real deal when I’m supposed to just accept that there are unknowns out there, when some of the answers could be hidden from us?

Something I default to all the time, with everyone it is I meet, is to not trust any of them till they give me a reason that they can be trusted. There’s a reason why I stay at home all the time. There’s a reason why I don’t go out and party with people my age (I’m 36) on a Friday night. There’s a reason why I spend a lot of time doing reading and trying to connect the dots on certain things. And it’s simply because, I. DON’T. TRUST. ANYONE. EASILY! I have a friend of a friend who wants to go out and party all the time, and they want me to go to a city that’s like an hour or 2 away, and is crime ridden. He wants to go to a club. And I refuse….there’s crazy sh*t that can happen at a club. Your drink could get spiked. You could be hanging out with someone who has ulterior motives. And yes…there are people out there who put on a good fascade, but can be borderline crazy.

Sorry…I need some things explained to me, cause I can’t help but notice certain things not adding up. And yes, from the surface they’re small things, but evil can sometimes be disguised as a beautifully wrapped present. And after a while, all of those small things add up and something terribly wrong could happen. This isn’t the 60’s or 70’s where you could just flag someone down and hitchhike and everything will be ok. Nowhere is safe, and sometimes people can put up such a false face but be the next Jeffrey Dahmer. Unless someone proves to me that they can be trusted, I will not trust them within an inch of my life. Call me crazy, but, people are nuts anymore.

This response made me grin really big.