you did not send him a message
He started the insults and you did not send him a message. in all fairness you should have rebuked him insted of me.
Did you send him a separate note like you sent to me? If not then why not as he is the one who initiated the insults.
I really donât know what this is all about. I guess I missed a few of the exchanges between you guys. There will always be someone who is angry about something and says things that are hurtful. If they were happy and fulfilled they would be loving. It just means that they are suffering. Try not to take it personally. The fellow doesnât even know you. Heâs just unhappy, lashing out. Iâll try to find out how this all started, and see if I can send some god words. But maybe itâs best to let it all go like water under the bridge and move on. I know what itâs like to be hurt by someoneâs words. I can empathize with you in that way. Let us hang close to Jesus. He loves us all.
It is said that a word to the wise is sufficient. Not everyone is ready to hear. What can be done? . I am not a saint. I also get hurt by peopleâs words. We have to live with ourselves. If I carry anger in my heart, I suffer for it. It creates a wall between myself and God. Be bright and cheerful and let the matter go - if you can.
Everything I said in response to @chrisg93, I meant for you as well. Iâm neither of your parents. Iâm a fellow Christian who has grown in my walk with Christ. My comments are not personal attacks, but rather in good faith and charity. We need to take what the Holy Spirit inspired the Apostles to pass on to us and apply it to our lives and relationships with others. [This is where you guys either team up on me and stone me (metaphorically speaking) or humble yourselves and squash your beef. Or I will call your mothers ; ) ]
Iâm new here and the first conversation I read is one where people are arguing back and forth with calling one another names. Canât we try to treat each other with respect and kindness as Jesus would want us to, even when we disagree? How will we ever achieve the unity Christ prayed for in John 17 when we treat each other with animosity?
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Thanks for participating but I must ask for your discernment that you address the other guy that started the insults in the first place, not me. That is only fair. You are the third person to lecture me first rather than the original insulter. I understand that you realize my superior qualities but still is not fair.
Thanks for participating but I must ask for your discernment that you address the other guy that started the insults, not me. That is only fair. You are the third person to lecture me first rather than the original insulter. I understand that you realize my superior qualities but still it is not fair.
2 points: [1] Those were FAR less science informed times. [2] Help Me out here, where exactly does the bible OK âlying is OK?â ⌠God Bless you, Patrick Miron
O.K. Chris, letâs assume that you are the one who has been wrongfully abused. And I know that you are a sincere Christian. Letâs consider the words of our savior, Jesus. In âthe Lords Prayerâ, Jesus says we should pray to God, Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us." Another verse in scripture tells us that no a blade of grass moves in this world, except by the will of the Lord. This is why Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek. Because Jesus accepts that not a blade of grass moves except by the will of the Lord. Jesus says we should offer the other cheek to be slappedâŚbecause Jesus recognizes that God is the slapper. Not only is he in charge of the movement of every blade of grass; but he in charge of the hand of every slapper. We are talking scripture. Not everyone accepts scripture as the absolute Truth. But we are trying to understand reality through the eyes of the scripture. So the first idea that I am trying to share (although I am forgetful) is that everything that moves, everything that happens in this world is the will of God. He wants all of us to open our hearts to Him; but we are very slow to do this. And because so many people do things that are not favored by God, He also arranges the rewards we receive. This is called in our scripture, âsewing and reapingâ. God loves us, but He also takes the role of a parent. And we receive His guidance and His discipline sometimes in the form of reaping things that we are not happy to receive. Everything I am saying here is based on scripture. Otherwise, I have nothing to say that is of benefit to anyone.
In the Lords Prayer, Jesus has given us, we recite: " And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." I am not a theologist, but to me this means that God forgives us for the things we do that are not pleasing to HimâŚHe forgives us for our Trespasses, as much as we forgive others who trespass against us.
Let us examine this concept. Our trespass is that we donât recognize that God is in control of every blade of grass, and every hand that is slapping cheeks. We are not recognizing that God in totally in control, sitting on His throne. We are thinking that other people are independently doing things, and that we are independently doing things. This conception does not recognize Godâs complete power and omnipresence. This is our trespass. We should give it up. I, like you, forget that this is the truth.
Please try to follow my logic. If God is the slapper, and if Jesus say we should accept His slap and turn the other cheek, if we accept this understanding, God will forgive us for not recognizing Him. God will forgive us for the trespass of living in the world He has created and controls, while not recognizing that He is always on the throne directing the movement of every blade of grass. When we begin to contemplate reality in this way, we can begin to say to God, âMy dear Lord, please forgive me for my trespass of not recognizing Your dominion over everything in my lifeâŚas much as I recognize that you are sometimes slapping my cheek.â âForgive me my trespass as much as I forgive the (apparent) trespass of others.â As we make this experiment, we immediately feel closer to God. And we become jolly. We begin to laugh, and offer God the other cheek.
Can we do this? We have other habitual ways of reacting. Me too. I am with you. But these are the teachings of Jesus. These teachings are for our benefit. There is an old saying, âPractice makes perfect.â You and I wonât become saints overnight. But Jesus says, âAccept the yoke that I wear, because you will like it.â Spiritual life is all about spiritual growth.
I could, as you have been writing, say this to the man who smote you. But Iâm speaking to you in response to your call for help. Jesus used to say, âThose who have earsâŚlet them hear.â
Please forgive me for being so proud that I am thinking I can give advice to you or anyone else. Peter
One more point to consider, is that the man said things to you that hurt your feelings. Jesus endured something much more serious. People wanted to put metal spikes through his hands and feet. And Jesus accepted that God is in control. And what did he say to God? He said, âThis world doesnât have to work in the way that I would like it to work. I accept that You are in charge, and You are doing all of this.â, or, âNot my will, but Thy will be done.â So Jesus is teaching us by his example. Someone is being rude to you. And they are nailing Jesus to a cross. And Jesus is praying his Father, God in heaven, âOh my Lord, please forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.â
Sure, itâs not easy to follow the example that Jesus sets for us. But I believe itâs the only way to be happy. One day at a time, we practice our faith.
They did not need science to know that the unborn have human souls at conception. They had the clear teaching of the bible and about 10 Saints who lived before them they should have read to learn the real truth.