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And if Yes, how much tolerance is acceptable and how much tolerance is unacceptable? And who is the arbiter of what should be tolerated and what should not be tolerated?
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Logically, we have to see all mankind as Sons and Daughters of God.
Tollerance must stay within the range of good becoming again for all in One Family.
There is only one unforgivable sin, I believe.
Logically Creation becomes failed in two natures and only becomes again in one way through both natures from three Gods becoming again One Family following the pattern of undefiled logical intelligence, âWhat would Jesus do in all cases of the fulfilled faith and morality becoming through the Christ becoming again for all Creation in One God, in One Holy Spirit Family One God being?â I believe and this is a rhetorical question.
All angels and all mankind all creation becomes from the Big Bang from dust, becoming Baptized, brothers and sisters in the Christ becoming from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven, through both natures becoming Sons and Daughters of God becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Family, I believe.
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Can you clarify? Tolerance of what and destruction of what?
Peace to all,
OMNiLogically, Eveâs choice became to know like God becoming to know how to love bringing spirit and life to Adam even if it meant her own death. Now Adamâs choice becomes to live alone forever without the love of a dying Eve or to die with âThe Love of Eve.â
Eve was told both a truth and a lie in one line, âSurly you will never die?â The Serpant could tells lies and truths all in the same sentence and he was such a liar, becoming the Father of Lies. How can this be? Because, OMNiLogically, The Spirit in the created Soul never dies, We will never die from the spirit for the created soul only to become alive in One Family from Death for resurection becoming through the flesh for all created souls becoming âIn the Christâ becoming again in One Family.
Peace always,
Stephen
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How do I say this without offending some members of this community?
I feel like we are losing our Catholic Christian culture here on CatholicTalk and it has been happening slowly over time.
There is a thin line between tolerance and intolerance.
Letâs look at what is currently happening in Europe and in Japan (two very different responses to culture-loss).
In Europe we see that they are losing their culture to Muslims, who will never adapt nor adopt the culture in which they now reside. Europeans have tolerated these immigrants and they are losing their culture as a result.
In Japan, they are seeing an influx of tourists and Westerners moving to Japan and as a result are losing their culture. Japan is much more strict with their immigration laws. Only about 13% of their citizens are immigrants and only native citizens are allowed to vote. My daughter and I hope to visit Japan and we want to respect their culture, but also know that we may be contributing to their concerns.
Japan and Europe have similar problems, in that, they are not reproducing at as sustainable rate. In Japan, they sell more adult diapers than they do baby diapers. And in Europe, the Muslims are having children and the natives are avoiding having children.
Then I think about America. There was a time when Catholic Christians were viewed as a threat to American Protestant culture. Now we see Protestants embracing contraception and in some more progressive Churches even abortion (only calling it âwomenâs healthâ to sanitize it). It is traditional Catholic Christians who are having large families.
So, in terms of CatholicTalk, some have expressed their concerns that we are losing our Catholic culture here. I have no problem with individuals genuinely wrestling with matters of faith and morality. It is when individuals, some of whom are very kind, constantly reject God, Sacred Scripture, and the Deposit of Faith, that could scandalize or confuse individuals who visit this forum seeking Catholic talk.
What I am struggling with is how much do we tolerate the culture of individuals who reside here, but are never going to adopt our culture and instead produce posts at a higher rate than faithful Catholic Christians.
And like my analogy of Europe, how much of the blame should be on the migrants themselves vs. those who are not re-producing (inviting Catholic Friends to join this forum and participating in our Catholic community)?
Natural diversity is a beautiful thing. The Catholic Christian Faith is amazingly diverse, so much so that I sometimes forget Iâm German. And we all share a common Catholic Christian culture, which include many sub-cultures and traditions). If we all did not share this common Faith, we would fall like The Tower of Babel (well, technically, The Tower of Babel did not fall, but you get my point ; )
I have no hate in my heart towards anyone in this community. Please just respect that this is a Catholic Christian culture.
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if something comes to a point where you have to tolerate it, it wasnât good to begin with and it will lead to destruction. immigration for example
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HI Cade! I can empathize with what you are saying. What comes to mind is that we should try to understand what Jesus would say in response to such a question.
âLove your enemiesâ:
This is not an easy heartfelt feeling to cultivate. But then, what is an âenemyâ? First we have to define the goal of our lives. My understanding is, âWhat profitith a man if he gains the whole world but loses his eternal soul?â In other words, the most important thing in our lives is who we associate with. âWhere two or more are gathered in my name - I am there.â This is a very exciting, very wondrous concept to understand, and embrace. In other words we want to associate with people who bring us closer to our goal, closer to Jesus - as WE understand him. If associating with a fellow Catholic who we see eye to eye with, feel heart-to-heart with, brings us closer to Jesus - then thatâs who we want to associatte with. We already have to interact with so many different people of different faiths, different cultures, just by going to work, or running a business. And Catholic Talk is like - your church - your âbreath of fresh airâ. My thought is that the answer to the question you are raising is that you want to associate with people, with souls, that help you to feel closer to the Jesus that you love and worship - so that by associating with such people, your âeternal soulâ is saved. I think you already know, Cade, that I am not a CatholicâŚâŚ..but I respect the fact that you are asking this question. If this site is intended for everyone and anyone to try to put forward their own faith, or their own faithlessness - then itâs not Catholic Talk anymore. So the people who have authority over the content of this site have to ask themselves about the mission and goals of the site. Anyone who is not bringing me closer to God is not my friend. I shouldnât hate him/her. But I donât have rub shoulders with them. And I donât have to give them opportunity to come into my place of worship and voice opposing dogma. Thatâs not Catholic Talk. Thatâs a waste of your prescious time, and a disruption of what you come here for.
âDo unto others as you would have them do unto youâ:
What would we like others to do unto us? I would like others to help me stay on track in my spiritual life. And I would like to help others to embrace my religious understanding - because it their embrace that gives me strength. SureâŚâŚin daily life, the rules of morality that are common to all faiths (for the most part)âŚ..we want to deal nicely with people in general. âWhat goes around, comes around.â Thatâs the law. Perhaps thatâs why Jesus gives us that rule. But there is difference between being a âgoodâ person, and coming closer to Jesus. And this is what Catholic Talk is all about. Or is it? I guess those who run this site have to consider this question and come to a conclusionâŚâŚan implement it.
âJudge not that ye be not judgedâ:
Do we we see people in terms of the way in which they speak, the way in which they behave? Or do we see them in the way that Jesus sees them. How tolerant is Jesus? I guess the answer is that when people were trying to nail everything that Jesus represents to a wooden cross - Jesus prayed to the Lord, that they should be forgiven. This means that Jesus didnât see us in terms of how we live our lives - but he sees all of us in terms of our potential to embrace the truth that he wishes to share with us. In other wordsâŚâŚ.everyone on this planet is potentially capable of embracing the Caholicism that Jesus has come to share. This is the truth! And we should see them in this way. It is this kind of vision that qualifies one to preach the Gospel of Jesus. But this doesnât mean that we have we have to eat and sleep with these people. Jesus said, âDonât cast your pearls before swine.â He wasnât judging anyone, or calling them a bad name. He was simply saying, if you can see that someone is not capable of âhearingâ the Gospel, donât waste your time talking to them. Then Jesus told his disciples to go to different villages to share what he came to shareâŚâŚâŚbut he saidâŚ..âif they canât accept, just shake the dust from your sandals, and keep moving.â In other words, Jesus was not sentimental. He loved all of us. But he drew lines. He could see very well that we will never be one big happy family. It doesnât mean that he wanted his followers to engage in killing people who werenât âmembersâ, or who had another religion, as in âthe crusadesâ against Muslims, or engaging in âthe inquisitionâ. But he made it clear that if a person wants to follow him, they have to make choicesâŚâŚ..choices about who and what we associate with.
I agree with you, Cade. Although this site is called âCatholic Talkâ âŚâŚâŚ. it doesnât perform in that way. It just gives everyone the right to put their own ideas, their own speculations, their own faith forward. There are organizations that want to help mankind come together and find mutual acceptanceâŚâŚâŚ.but thatâs called watering things down. When I was in India, some of the village vendors who sold milk from thier cowsâŚâŚthey would add water to the milk in order to make more sales, bring in more cash. But if you let people add more water to the milk of Catholicism that you embrace and wish to share with othersâŚâŚ.it wonât be CatholicismâŚ..it will be watered-down sentiments. After all, Jesus wasnât about us all getting along with each other. He even said that he didnât come to join all of the members of a family together in a nice way. He actually said that he came to tear the family apart and extricate the one who cold follow him.
So these are some perspectives I have on what the new Testament teaches about the demeanor of Jesus in connection with who we associate with, and how tolerant we should be. he said, âStraight is the gate and narrow the wayâŚ..â . He said, âWhat profitith a man if he gains the whole world, (or makes our society into a place where everyone is mutually accepting), what is the profitâŚâŚ.if one loses his eternal soul?â
I tell you frankly, there are people who say they are members of the religion that I aspire to followâŚâŚpeople who have changed the books, changed the ways, people who say they are followersâŚâŚâŚbut I wouldnât associate with these people âŚâŚ.I wouldnât get near these people with âa ten foot poleâ. I consider them to be the proverbial âwolves in sheeps clothing.â I would always try to be polite and treat them nicely within a social context of interactionâŚâŚ.but Iâm not going to go to church with them.
My thought is the people who run this site should make a decision. Either change the name of the site to âTolerance Talkâ or âCatholic Talkâ, and decide on the rules of the game. No one is excludedâŚâŚBut Jesus says, âThose who have ears, let them hear.â He didnât say that you have to listen to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
**sisternightingale: â**if something comes to a point where you have to tolerate it, it wasnât good to begin with and it will lead to destruction. immigration for example.â
Peter: What people like you forget is that everyone who considers themselves a U.S. citizen comes from families that were 100% imigrant. They came to this land where people had lived for centuries, killed them, pushed them off their own land, herded them like cattle onto places that they didnât care about and called them âreservationsâ. Then when they find out that there is perhaps oil, or some other commodity on those reservationsâŚâŚ.they try to take that away from the real natives of this land as well. And now, these same people who have stolen this landâŚ. from people who lived here and raised their families here, and worshipped here according to their faithâŚâŚâŚnow these people who came here, fleeing from exploitation in other countries, from other governmentsâŚâŚ.now these people donât want immigration. âWe are American, and we donât want anyone, who wants live a better life, come here an impose there skin color and thier culture on usâŚâŚbecause we are such lovely people. We donât want to be contaminated with their presence. Because we are good people, and thatâs the way we follow Jesus. We are going to âMake America great again!â, by keeping this land, that we have stolen from the real citizens âŚâŚâŚ.. completely to ourselves. And then call ourselves names like, âSister Nightingaleâ.
no one stole anything from anyone because there was nothing to steal. There was no americas when white man ââdiscoveredââ it. There was no country and no civilization. White men built the US from nothingness. The people that had been living there were busy practicing cannibalism and human sacrifice. Nothing is stolen on the US, white men conquered it and built it all. For the record I am not even american. I am chinese. The real americans are the white men, not what you would call the natives, because there was nothing there to be native to. American is a white ethnicity composed of anglo-saxon, germanic and slavic ancestry.
I once heard an interview with the author of âColumbus and the Quest for Jerusalemâ, Carol Delaney, and it was interesting. I am not saying that I believe it, nor do I believe what we were taught in government schools either.
My Wife and I will be vacationing to some of the islands of Mexico in a couple months (for our 20 Year Anniversary) and there are many Mayan ruins there. We will also be visiting, again, the Church where the first Holy Mass in Mexico was celebrated! Pretty neat.
In regards to indigenous individuals in the United States today, I know that there is a lot of poverty, crime, and alcoholism in their communities and this is not good for them. This is not just a United States phenomenon, but I listen to a lot of true crime and Canada has a similar situation. Oh and the story about the Catholic School âgravesâ in Canada where some in the media claimed that a bunch of indigenous children were said to have been abused and berried there, turned out not to be entirely factual.
I do feel for indigenous communities. I do not like that they are prone to substance abuse (which is a stereotype, but there is also a sad reality that many do struggle with addiction).
Alcoholism runs in our family, so I have a special place in my heart for anyone who struggles with addiction. This is why I took a vow of sobriety when I was a young boy and I have chosen never get drunk nor to partake in drugs. I have seen what alcohol abuse does to families and relationships.
St. Kateri Tekakwitha, Pray for us.
Returning to the original topic: Richard Brookhiser, in his 2011 biography of James Madison, wrote, âToleration is a giftââthat is, something the powerful give to the weak. Madison was appalled by the persecution of Baptists in America and worked to obtain the right of religious freedom for everyone. Will tolerating evil lead to a societyâs destruction? Possibly, I suppose. Will tolerating different religions destroy the society or destroy the religions? Madisonâs principle that we enjoy rights, not merely tolerance, has endured almost 250 years. It hasnât destroyed the society or the religions, and I consider that a good thing.
I appreciate your response. You bring another perspective that I hadnât thought of.
I am reminded of this quote by G.K. Chesterton, âTolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.â
It leads to this since when governments move away from dictates they pass unpleasant events Look at examples in the stories of Christian countries such as those of the Spanish Empire when It was best when we imposed strict restrictions equal in the Napoleonic or Prussian empireIt was better when we imposed strict restrictions equal in the Napoleonic or Prussian empire, the divine paths are made so that all living beings follow them by force 
