Do you support capital punishment?

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There is no such thing as death. The real person is the spirit soul. The body is made of dead matter. When the soul is inside, the body appears to be alive. This is the first thing a spiritual person has to understand. The material body is a punishment. In heaven, no one has a material body, no one is born, no one grows old, no one has disease, no one dies. You want to save the so-called innocent person from capital punishment. But everyone who has a material body will “die”. You cannot save them. To really save someone, is to give them eternal life by helping them to go to heaven. This is what Jesus is teaching. He is not teaching us how to make life in the material world perfect. He is teaching us to leave this temporary material life behind and return to our eternal life in the spiritual world. As long as we are living in the material world, we are all on death row, waiting for our number to be called.

The story of Adam and Eve is not about two people who were deported from the spiritual world (The Garden of Eden). This deportation applies to all of us. We are all rebellious souls who have been placed outside of the “Garden”. The material realm is a place of punishment, a penitentiary. We are placed here so that we can become penitent. What you don’t understand is that WE ARE ALREADY IN HELL.
People are constantly killing each other in endless wars. The different religions are killing each other in the name of serving God. Even the Catholic church has held “the inquisition” and killed so many thousands of people who considered themselves to be followers of Jesus, (by burning them alive, etc.) just because they embraced a slightly different understanding of the words of Jesus. There are hundreds of diseases in the material world. Everyone has to work very hard to survive. There are volcanoes that cover communities with molten lava. There are earthquakes that swallow complete cities. There are plagues. There are tidal waves that cover coastal communities. In the material world every door has to be locked, because the world is filled with thieves. Every car has to be locked. At every second there are car accidents in which people are killed. Every minute, someone dies of a heart attack. Houses are burned in forest fires, and destroyed by hurricanes. People are buried by avalanches. Ships like the Titanic go down to the bottom of the sea, drowning all the so-called aristocratic passengers. Everyone grows old, diseased and dies. Everyone lives in fear. Everyone. Therefore insurance companies that promise security grow wealthy. And the priests in all of the major religions - many of them rape the children.
None of these conditions exist in the spiritual realm, in heaven. There are no wars, no accidents, no thieves, no cancer, no earthquakes, no volcanos, no forest fires, no tidal waves, no plagues, no pedophiles……..

But God has placed us here because we are the rebels from heaven. WE ARE IN HELL, and we are trying to make it into a nice place. This is why Jesus came here. Not to tell us that we can be happy here, but to tell us that we can’t be happy here, and that we should prepare ourselves for going to our real eternal home. Although we are eternal, everyone in the material world is on death row. Everyone in the material world receives capital punishment. You cannot change this. If you want to save them…preach the words of Jesus……. and try to practice what you preach.

You say, “God bless”. But God has already blessed all of us……..by offering an all-expense paid one-way ticket to eternal life…….He offers this to everyone…….even to the man on death row. But we are too busy trying to make this world into an nice place. It was not created to be a nice place. In the Bible, it is described, that although life in “The Garden of Eden”, the spiritual world, was carefree…..when God deported Adam and Eve, he declared that their lives would be filled with material misery. Now we are living in this miserable material world that God has designed in order to bring us to our senses. It is created for our suffering so that we (stubborn rebellious souls) begin to desire ……..to return to our eternal home. This material world is not created for our enjoyment. It is created for our redemption.

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@Peter1

You write many words that have nothing to do with the subject. The bottom line is that you support the death penalty against the Church and Gods will. You love the power to kill as the evil one does. You have no empathy for your fellow humans that are wrongfully accused, unless it’s yourself or a loved one. You don’t even like it when someone is kind to you and says God bless you because you have a cold heart of stone. I know atheists with more empathy and love than you.

May God save you from your evil ways

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The truth is that “the devil” is a servant of God. And the job of the devil is to punish us, to cause us pain. The devil cannot attract the mind and heart of one who is close to God. The devil hypnotizes the mind and heart of those who are not living in communion with God.
The devil seduces. The devil makes false promises of happiness. The devil extends a hand, and a swet smile, saying, “Come and enjoy.” And then the devil gives us a slap. “The wages of sin.”

The material world is for our redemption. We are all here in therapy. And the therapy is suffering. And our suffering is for inducing us to have a change of heart. And when we stop trying to enjoy our lives independent of our relationship with God, because our independent streak has been discouraged……..this indicates that we are responding to God’s therapy.
It is a two-step program: The first step is suffering …….in order to break our rebellious spirit. The next step is for those who are ready “to hear”. Not everyone is ready to hear. Therefore Jesus would give teachings. Then he would say, “Those who have ears…….let them hear.” Jesus is actually saying, “Those who have suffered enough, who have become humbled by their suffering……they are the ones who have ears, and are ready to hear.”

So God has given us a two-step process: First we follow the dictates of the flesh, and seek sensual enjoyments, and enjoyments based on vanity of the false social sense of self: “I am a good man. I am a better man. I am a wealthy man. I am a powerful man. Everyone respects me. Everyone fears me. I can send ICE after anyone who challenges me.”
This attitude ……… Jesus calls it “the service of mammon.” It is intoxicating. But there is “sewing and reaping”. There is cosmic justice. The exploiters are reborn to experience exploitation. The slave-master takes his next birth as a slave. This is the first step in our redemption.
The next step is that one becomes ready to “hear”…….desperate to hear. One wants anwers. More than health, more than wealth, more than sex, more than prestige……..one wants answers. And such a soul begins to “have ears” for the message of God’s ambassador.

Yes, we are in hell. But hell is not eternal. That idea that hell is eternal….. is a political fear tactic, that politicians use to control the masses. Hell is for our reclamation. There are worse places than planet earth. This planet is a mixture of nice and horrible things. But there are places where the suffering is beyond our comprehension. And all of it is for our reclamation.

Wherever we are, in the material realms, when the heart is ready to repent……..the path to freedom is made available. The door is opened. Jesus says, “Knock, and the door will be open to you.”

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@Peter1

You would gladly kill the innocent without any remorse in order to take out your vengeance and wrath against the guilty.

This is not Gods will.

May you put on the armour of God to defend your heart and mind against the attacks of the evil one.

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I cannot understand your words. But I do feel that you are very sincere. You are talking about something wonderful……..but I cannot put your logic into words. Hare Krishna dear Stephen. There is man an woman in the material creation because they are copies of God’s life in heaven. But in God’s relationship there is no lust. Love and lust are opposite. Lust wants something. Love asks for nothing……only to give, to glorify, to be of service. But in this world, lust comes disguised as love. And when lust is dissatisfied, the so-called love is aborted, discarded.
If God is the Source of all that exists, how can male and female exist here, unless it first exists in heaven? But here, everything is a perverted reflection of the eternal reality.
What God wants above all things is to be loved. Therefore Jesus says “Love God with all of your strength. This is the highest rule of the scripture.” One who loves God…….the symptom is that all selfishness is eradicated from his heart…….because one who loves God, experiences God’s loving reciprocation……..and therefore he says, “My cup runneth over.” But people don’t love God. They think that God is there to fulfill their selfish desires……..they place their orders. This is not what Jesus taught. Jesus teaches, “Not what I want from you…….but whatever you want from me.” “Not my will , but Thy will.” But the church has turned everything upside down. materialism in the name of religion. Worship of mammon in the name of religion. Jesus says, “One or the other; take your choice.”

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No one is wrongfully convicted. Only an atheist thinks in this way. God is in total control of our every thought, word, and deed. If our hearts are way from him, we become puppets of the devil. But the devil is God’s agent, for supervising the ungodly. If our hearts are close to God, the devil cannot approach us. History tells us of many saints who were wrongfully convicted. But they dwell eternally with God. There is no loss for them. Jesus was wrongfully convicted. But jesus did not object. He said, “Not my will, but Thy will be done.” Because he accepted that God is in control, and that God will save him. To be saved does not mean this body made of urine and stool, blood and vomit will be preserved. to be saved means that one will live with God eternally in heaven. Jesus went to heaven……..to open the path for us. No one can kill the immortal soul. The courts can convict the body…..but they cannot touch the soul. We have to stop thinking like materialists, and envision reality in terms of scripture. We are eternal spirit souls. No one can hurt us. Instead of savng a person’s body and letting his soul go to hell, save his soul,……..the body is already finished……it is only a matter of time.

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My true feeling is that anyone who eats animals is a murderer, and shold also be killed. But you people are so heartless that you celebrate holidays like thanksgiving by cutting the throats of millions of turkeys. You go fishing and tempt a large fish to swallow a hook and then drag the fish through the water with a hook in his throat and think of it as a fun sport. You are all less than animals, and you talk about love. Go and spend a day at a slaughter house and see the terrified animals having their throats slit while they scream in fear. And then go out and order a steak, and talk about love. The cow provides you with milk, with cheese, with yogurt. She is like you mother, simply giving to you. And your love is to cut her throat. And you say that my heart is made of stone. You are lower than the animals. They kill according their needs. And they have no choice. But we have choice. But you use that freedom to kill…….and then you talk about justice. You think you are civilized. But all the hurricanes, all the eqrthquakes, all the volcanoes, all the covid, all the aids virus, all the floods and all the draughts are in response to the ways in you are living. But you are so blind that you consider it all to be bad luck.

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@Peter1

Says he who endorses the killing of innocent people. Geez :astonished_face:

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There is no use talking to people like you. You are the people who burn others alive at the stake in the name of religion. You are the people who do the crusades of killing the muslims who also accept Jesus. You are the people who burn the Cathars alive in great piles of logs. It is in the history books. the Catholic church does these things. And you talk of love. And you bark at me……..just like walking in front of someones’ house, and the dog snarls. Similarly, you snarl at me because I am pointing out the truth that you are not ready to hear. So you become hateful. I don’t belong with people like you. I leave you with your fishing boats and slaughter houses, and your religious wars, all in the name of pleasing God.

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Some 60,000 young American boys and girls were killed in the Viet Nam war. The north of Viet Nam was trying to spread communism to the south. None of this had anything to do with the U.S. The people of another country have the right to have whatever government they wish to be ruled by. But the U.S. decided they would “save the world from communism”. And they spent billions of dollars sending 60,000 young U.S. citizens to be killed in Viet Nam.
And Cristo Rei is excited by the fact that a court in the U.S. sentences someone to death. That same court will put you in jail, like they did to Mohammed Ali, for not participating in their evil wars.
The whole government of the U.S. is is a contemptible hypocrisy. The government hates communism. But it is that very same government, and governments like it, that have created communism.
The average family man is not a philosopher. Nor is he interested in politics. He simply wants to feed his family, give them a roof over their head, obtain medical care for them when they are in need, and get them educated so that they can earn a living. And when the government that taxes them, and promises them safety and security and a good life doesn’t provide these things, in spite of being one of the wealthiest countries in the world, if not the wealthiest, and these family men begin searching their minds and hearts for answers…….that’s when they become willing to listen to someone who talks of socialism and communism.

Therefore the question arises: Why should there be such great disparity between the wealthy and the man in the street? That disparity is there because of the heartless greed of the wealthy 1%. That disparity is there because the government is comprised of those same wealthy people who use the government to enhance their personal prosperity. Or, it is comprised of people who pass laws that support the status quo of the the wealthy over the interests of the average citizen.

Before America had Saddam Housein killed in Iraq, there was free university education and free medical attention for every one in Iraq. But the U.S. decided that they had to “protect freedom.” And they killed Saddam Housein.

The U.S. multinational corporations have holdings, mines, factories, plantations in other countries all over the world. There are some 700 U.S. military sites across the globe. And when the people of those countries, who are working for those U.S. corporations, cannot feed their children, and are working under conditions where they are getting diseases like cancer because of pollution, and they don’t have enough money to feed their families, and they begin to talk of rebellion, begin to talk of deporting those U.S. corporations, the U.S. troops crush those rebellions in the name of “protecting freedom”, and “saving the world from communism.”

And we support our government that does these ungodly things…..because we are good christians. We enlist in the U.S. military and crush these people because we are good followers of Jesus. And then, like Cristo Rei, we worry because someone is sentenced to death in a U.S. court of law.
When there were governments like that in France, they constructed a guillotine and did away with the King and Queen, and the so-called nobility of the nation. Today in the U.S. we live in a feudal system just like the feudal systems that existed in England and France. We are the peasants, and the wealthy few are the nobility. And this feudal system is disguised as a democracy, in which it really makes no difference which team gets the vote……because it still forces a person to go into debt for some $50,000 -$100, 000 to get an education at a university. It still is impossible to get medical help unless one pays $3,000-$5,000 a year for health insurance. We can’t even walk into a doctors office without putting down a cover charge of $80-$100. Meanwhile, Trump is passing laws that give tax cuts to the rich, while trying to dismantle the few social benefits of the people in general.
But the people of the country are blind followers, and consider themselves to be good Christians by supporting the government that exploits them. And if someone begins to speak about socialistic measures, he is labelled a Communist. And if someone begins to take pictures of how the animals are treated in our slaughterhouse civilization, to wake up the brain-dead public, they are labelled as terrorists by the state, that protects these capitalist enterprises. This is the world that we live in. This is the land that we live in…….all in the name of being followers of Jesus.

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It’s true Peter, people are not ready to hear this….they’re just not. We’re going to be called every name in the book because we don’t think in 3 Dimensional terms anymore. I’m not saying we’re above anyone, nor are we below anyone, all I’m saying is, you and I recognize that this world is full of suffering. No amount of research and good works is what will make this a better place.

But since so many people defend this planet and the stuff that goes on on this Godless wasteland, let’s talk about changing the world. You know what would change the world? If you wanted the world to actually change for the better, here’s what would have to happen. All governments would have to topple, the monetary system globally would have to crash, people all over the world would have to lose their homes, people all over the world would have to lose their jobs, and basically every single thing that people enjoy on this planet would have to be taken away from them. PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP!!! The system that you live in and support everyday is brainwashing you! You’ve been duped, big time, but because you are so stuck in 3D thinking, and because you are clinging onto your home and your job and your way of life so much, you go through life being so ignorant it’s not even funny! You have Peter and I who are constantly telling you the truth, we literally drop golden wisdom every single day and yet you are so scared of stepping outside your comfort zone, and for what? Because you want people to accept you? So that you can walk through this life in safety and security?

You really need to evaluate what is truly important here! This Earth is so messed up, that if you were to ever be exposed to all the absolutely sickening things that go on on this planet every single day, you wouldn’t want to live here anymore! And that’s because we live on a planet where people are dying, suffering, (insert any negative word here). God if anything at least do your research. If you research the stuff we talk about and don’t come to the same conclusions, at least we can’t tell you that you didn’t try to innerstand what we were talking about. But no, you don’t even do that. And that’s because, someone higher than you, who supposidely went through Seminary (or took the steps to be part of the Church Hierarchy), tells you what to think. They tell you what it is you should believe, and most of you just comply and don’t even challenge a word it is that they say. And it’s so funny, you agree that you’ve had bad Popes, Bishops, Priests, etc… but yet you still listen to the Church Hierarchy as if they know all that there is to know. You NEED to start questioning things, because you are being lied to in some of the most deceptive ways and you don’t even realize it. You have bought into the illusion of freedom, when you are anything but free! LISTEN TO US! Peter and I know what we are talking about! We live in a Matrix, almost everything in this life really doesn’t matter, except the knowledge you’ve accumulated and the love you gave. Peter and I love all of you. Do you honestly think that Peter and I have anything to gain by telling you all the TRUTH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Shit, if anything, I’ve lost everything by pursuing the truth, and that’s because what Peter and I have is the truth. If you really knew the truth, you wouldn’t be comfortable like most of you are right now. The truth is UGLY!!! It’s not rainbows and unicorns. You people think you’ve got the truth, but you are living such a lie! I’m literally being followed everywhere I go, and you know why? BECAUSE I KNOW THE TRUTH!!! I’VE BECOME A THREAT TO THE MATRIX! So now I’m being watched. Peter I’m sure is being watched too. And that’s because WE KNOW WHAT IT IS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT! You honestly think we’re pulling all of this out of our a**. WAKE UP! YOU’RE BEING LIED TO AND YOU DON’T EVEN REALIZE IT!!! WAKE UP!!!

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So you think it’s wrong to kill animals but it’s fine to kill innocent people… Geez :roll_eyes:

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It’s true, I’ve lost everything in pursuit of the truth. And if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn’t change a thing. The truth is priceless, and it’s worth losing everything. I’ve lost everything to get to the conclusions that I have. That’s when you know you’re onto something, cause if I lost everything in pursuit of finding the truth, then that’s got to mean I’m onto something. Because if the elite didn’t have anything to hide then how come I’ve lost everything? How come I’m being followed? Because I know something that the elite never wanted me to find out. Most people think they have the truth, but they only have information that the system will provide. I wish people could see what Peter and I see, cause we see the world for what it really is!

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Is a fish an animal? Didn’t Jesus eat fish (Luke 24:41-43)?

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Yes fish is an animal and yes Jesus ate fish.

I’m not the one saying that is wrong, someone else is saying that. Perhaps you should ask the person who thinks that people who eat meat should be killed

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He sounds very passionate :joy:

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He writes many words but mostly avoids the topic. All i know is that he supports capital punishment, admits the justice system can be wrong and corrupt, but doesn’t care about innocent people being wrongfully convicted and killed and he wants to kill people that eat animals. You should ask him about it, remind him that Jesus ate fish, see what he says.

I usually remind vegetarians and vegans that pesticides are used to grow crops, killing millions of insects which are animals. They don’t really care about the insects, they only care about the animals they want to care about

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All Peter is doing is reminding you that everything in this life is temporary. When you die, you can’t really speak out against the justice system, because your dead. You can’t try to get innocent people out of jail, because you’re dead.

What he’s trying to get across, and I agree with him, is that it doesn’t matter how hard you try to improve life on this planet, there will always be evil on this planet. That’s all he’s trying to say. Peter is one of those people who tries to do good too, he just doesn’t boast about it. He’s right….there have been so many attempts throughout Earth’s History to make this planet a better place to live. But the truth of the matter is, this planet will always be full of suffering. To truly change the world is near impossible. I say near because, there’s always a chance, no matter how small, that the world could change, but at this rate it would take a miracle. Hell, for the longest time I thought slavery was completely abolished only to find out that slavery unfortunately is still relevant, it’s just being hidden.

How can you love being here? How can you love sharing this planet with cold-blooded criminals? How can you love paying taxes? How can you love working 90% of your life and only having fun 10% of the time? How can you love going to school, and someone decides to bully you? CristoRei, I innerstand where you’re coming from. I get it, it’s horrible that people are wrongfully convicted, but unless you have a surefire way to get rid of people who are being wrongfully convicted, what makes you think that’ll ever get solved? I’m not trying to shoot down your ideas, but at the same time I’m kind of being a realist here, realistically can you get stop this for good? Just be honest with yourself, can you honestly solve that problem?

It’s admirable that you want to make Earth a better place, but the truth of the matter is, Earth runs on duality. In order for real good to exist, real evil has to exist. You can’t have one without the other, it has to be this way. Cause if everything was just good, and evil didn’t exist, you wouldn’t know what good is. To you it would be normal, because there wouldn’t be any differentiation. In order to know what real love is, you’d have to experience the opposite. There’s a reason why Earth has so many terrible horrible things here, and that’s to get you to realize that yeah….these things are terrible. They’re evil! It’s absolutely horrible….but it has to be setup this way. I hear ya, it sucks, believe me, every single day I’m dealing with b.s. that I never really asked for to begin with. So yeah, I get it, and I get the need to solve it, but in order to actually solve something like that, you’d have to solve it globally, and I don’t think you have the means to do that. But maybe you do….do you? Because if you have the means to get rid of it globally than go for it!

All Peter is saying is, we need to be more focused on our own spiritual development than worry about things that are mostly out of our control. That’s all he’s saying. You’re taking what he’s saying the wrong way. All you know right now is the physical, and when you see a problem in the physical, the good in you wants to correct it. But we live on a planet that was built for suffering to begin with. So trying to fix the suffering that goes on here is like trying to put a cylindrical object in a square hole….it’s not gonna work.

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That doesn’t make it ok to wrongly kill innocent people. Think of the pain their families would go through. Plus his comment about endorsing the killing of people that eat meat is wild to say the least. I strongly disagree with that.

Do you eat meat? Do you think people should be killed for that?

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Well I’m not Catholic anymore, but according to you guys killing in any sense of the word is wrong, whether it be an animal or a hueman. The Commandment doesn’t say “Thou shalt not kill, except animals.” It says “Thou shalt not kill.” But Catholics tend to make up excuses for Catholicism’s downfalls anyway. If Catholics value honesty and truth, then you should be able to agree that killing anything is wrong, because your Commandments prohibit the killing of anything…..