Peace to all,
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
I haven’t replied to you because your idea of the Trinity is a heresy against the Catholic Church. I had hoped you would grow out of it but you have not. I sincerely hope that you will repent of your heresy.
Peace to all,
Peace always,
Stephen
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Wooooow. This here is what we call pride. First you insult and then puff yourself up, demanding we bow to you and sing you praises. How about you Pray for us instead and we will Pray for you.
None of us believes abortion is okay. We all believe that abortion is a sin and a violation of the fifth commandment. And we all believe that abortion is a human atrocity.
We are not your enemy.
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Peace to all,
True Cade_One and we as Catholics have to concentrate on getting Mary in the Trinity to me.
We know that there are no Catholics that would say yes to abortion. I’ve heard priest preach not even rape justifies murder, and we know not to judge but our own soul and/ or Proselytize, but only generalize the faith for all. To me, the soul is created at conception and Flesh infused through blood and water birth and becomes immortalized transformed through flesh for the New Eve and incorruptly glorified and transfigured through the power of the Holy Spirit in the Christ in all mankind becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being
Peace always,
Stephen
Nope : ) That would be heresy.
Peace to all,
True, I appreciate the info and I do understand Cade_One it would be heresy if The Holy Spirit is a male. I would then say Tertullian and Praxeas are right calling the Holy Spirit a Male Person in being and Mary not preexisting in the Trinity, and I am wrong.
Thanks for the read by what you say.
Then, The Trinity is The Father and The Son and a male Spirit which makes no sense to me, logically. If the Holy Spirit includes all and is non-gender, Then The Mother of God is there preexistion as Mary together with The Father and The Son, Jesus beflore creation was ever created was even created before any created souls making them each God, And Each God is equal in the Powers as God and sepapately God and together becomes One God in being One Holy Spirit Family One God in being becoming again on Earth through The Christ becoming again One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, to me.
To me, I am just trying to make sense of the Trinity, I stated earlier, logically the Holy Spirit is a Family in being, non gender, to me, rationally.
The Catholic Church is seeking a female presence and here I see One Mother and Our Sister becoming again through both natures preexisting in infallible intelligence logic through the Trinity.
To me, God The Father Created Choice, Spirit and Love, Life which gives the freedom to choose to love or not to love from Adam and Eve, becoming again through the New Eve for the New Adam becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again to love only and to love with only the most love in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being through both natures, Spirit and Life, One God.
To me, logically, Physics and all finite disciplines of Earth apply to created choice in failed intelligence. Becoming again intelligence manifests from the fulfilled intelligence statically unfailing in the Body and dynamically Spiritually incorruptible not able to fail and choice becomes in only one way undefiled through both natures becoming again in The Immotal New Body powered by Incorruptible intelligence manifesting both natures in One Body for eternity.
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For from him, and through him, and for him, are all things: to him be glory for ever, Amen.
TO me, If The Three presons are The Father, The Mother and The Son in One Family, Which One do we give all the Glory?
To me it is the Family of God One Holy Spirit, In Him be glory forver.
In the beginning was the Word.
And the Word was with God.
And the Word was God.
Which One is The Father?
Is the Son the Word?
To me The Word is Three Persons In One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.
Logically, if The Holy Spirit is a Family, then where is the third person in The Trinity?
Peace always,
Stephen
The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female. Mary is not God. That is the issue with adding Mary to the Holy Trinity as you propose. Mary was like us, only she received all the graces that we reject. This does not mean that she is a deity.
She is a sign for the church. Meaning, Jesus offers us His grace and like, Mary, we can say yes to Him. Another way the church is like Mary, is that she, by the merits of her Son, Jesus, was assumed into Heaven either before or after her death, as we will be at the end of time or at the end of our life here on earth.
The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female. I am not sure where you are getting this from. There are feminists who want to say that the Holy Spirit is female, because in the Old Testament, wisdom is described in the feminine and depending on the language being spoken, some words have masculine and feminine spellings.
God gifted us logic (which is like your thing), but I don’t know that we can make sense of the Trinity. There are some things that God does, or who God is, that does not make sense to our feeble minds. Which is what makes God God and us not God.
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Peace to all,
Great information and great lead, thanks Cade_One, second person in the OMNILogicalGod.
The Miriam Presence.
Just like any family has no gender The Holy Spirit Family has no gender, logically with all members becoming from A Father A Mother and a Son in One Holy Family in being becoming again in all.
To me, The Forefathers looked at The Holy Spirit as a person all wrong in all generalization, rationally, to me. They completely missed the point of The Family, to me.
For from him through him, and for him are all things to him be the glory forever.
To me, the reference, “to him is to the family of God be the glory forever” is The Holy Family One God in being, so we’re still missing one person, The Mother, Mary, Queen of Heaven.
We know I’m not arguing, I am only, I’m rationalizing the third person in the Trinity is the Mother of God they missed. And logically all persons in the Trinity are equal in the power of God and separately God in Personal beings and together One God in One Holy Spirit Family in being, OMNILogically, to me.
Logically there is no first second and third person because logically each member is separately God and equally God in the powers of God and together One God One Holy Spirit Family of God in being, logically.
Reborn and Saved as Catholic, OMNILogically, to me.
Even now born again and saved makes sense and even logically works as Catholic, from The New Eve “Reborn” becoming flesh immortality and through The New Adam saved Incorruptibly glorified and transfigured through the Power of The Holy Spirit Family conceived in Jesus becoming the Christ in all mankind becoming again from Immaculate Flesh “Saved” through Incorruptible Holy Spirit manifestation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being, OMNILogically.
Who even came up with God priorities, first second and third is all wrong. Or perhaps the Trinity Forefathers were referring to logical order from creation becoming and becoming again from and through each God separately in the powers of God in One Gods functional spirit power manifestation. First created from The Father and Secondly Transformed through the New Eve, Mary and Mother of God and thirdly becoming through Jesus for The Christ become again in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being. To me, personal Gods in The Trinity are equal in powers to the Other Gods in their function and separately God and together as One God in being logically, to me. There is no rank, in logical generalization.
The logic is, they ranked God in position from Creation through Transformation for Glorification and Transfiguration and each God is equal equally God and together One God in being.
To me, this is just generalizing. I’m not preaching. I’m seeing logic as wrong from the first and third centuries, carried forward missing the logic and we are just correcting it with respect to the logical formulas through The Wondrous Mysteries of the Faith trusted and verified verified through the logic of the kingdom of the Divine Will, The Will of The Holy Spirit Family and One God in being, OMNILogically to me.
If I’m the first person on the planet to see this correct logic then maybe you’ll be the second. You can be the second person in the logic of the Omnilogical God if you can help me on this, but I say we’re at least equal.
To me, a logician has a better chance of understanding the Logic of Will of The Father better perhaps than a Christian, and I have been “Gifted” to be both. And we already know we as Christians are saved by Faith in everything Christ taught on Earth and in Heaven.
We know as Christian we are saved by Faith and now we can verify the Faith through OMNILogical God to be able to truthfully
See God with New OMNILogical Eyes.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
Deliverer of OMNILogical God 2025 A.D.
You are still wrong as can be. I hope you see the light someday.
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Peace to all,
Peace Always,
Stephen
The most recent infallible doctrine defined by the Catholic Church is the Assumption of Mary, which was declared by Pope Pius XII in 1950. This doctrine states that Mary was taken into heaven body and soul at the end of her earthly life.
Hi catechist,
the most recent infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church is the condemnation of abortion which has the same authority as all the Marian dogmas and the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ. the Gospel of life by Pope John Paul 2 in1995.
Last Sunday, we heard in the first reading (Acts 15) that the faithful could not agree on something and so they sent Representatives to the Apostles (who would later become Bishop of Rome) for clarity. Since neither of you agree on this matter, why not ask your Bishop to clarify this? Our Bishop has a radio show each month where he will answer questions that the faithful might have.
Bishops are very busy and if you right your Bishop a letter, it may take a while until you hear back. I’m sure it was the same for the faithful in Acts 15, though we read it and it sounds like they heard back instantly, they did not have the Apostles on speed-dial. They had to travel there. Then the Apostles and elders had to discuss and seek guidance from the Holy Spirit before writing a letter to the faithful clarifying what the authoritative teaching on the matter is.
We all agree that abortion is evil and never okay. We disagree on what the latest official infallible teaching is. To me, this fits the description of squabbling (something else that Scripture encourages us not to do).
Cade_One
You have denied an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church. Here is the Vatican Profession of Faith that proves that the condemnation of abortion is infallible and is the latest infallible doctrine of the Catholic Church…
- The first paragraph states: “With firm faith, I also believe everything contained in the word of God, whether written or handed down in Tradition, which the Church, either by a solemn judgement or by the ordinary and universal Magisterium, sets forth to be believed as divinely revealed”. The object taught in this paragraph is constituted by all those doctrines of divine and catholic faith which the Church proposes as divinely and formally revealed and, as such, as irreformable.11
To the truths of the first paragraph belong the articles of faith of the Creed, the various christological dogmas21 and marian dogmas;22the doctrine of the institution of the sacraments by Christ and their efficacy with regard to grace;23the doctrine of the real and substantial presence of Christ in the Eucharist24and the sacrificial nature of the eucharistic celebration;25the foundation of the Church by the will of Christ;26the doctrine on the primacy and infallibility of the Roman Pontiff;27 the doctrine on the existence of original sin;28the doctrine on the immortality of the spiritual soul and on the immediate recompense after death;29the absence of error in the inspired cred texts0the doctrine on the grave immorality of direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being.31
31 Cf. John Paul II, Encyclical Letter Evangelium Vitae, 57: AAS 87 (1995), 465.
Here is the infallible statement from “The Gospel of Life” in 1995…
Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, in communion with the Bishops-who on various occasions have condemned abortion and who in the aforementioned consultation, albeit dispersed throughout the world, have shown unanimous agreement concerning this doctrine**-I declare** that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s Tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. 73
or more… [PROFESSION OF FAITH] #(PROFESSION OF FAITH)
or the Profession of Faith #31 in 1995
squabbling?? Is historical accuracy squabbling? Is discerning the difference between the Ascension of Mary and abortion squabbling ? Is infallible Catholic Doctrine squabbling?
You did not know that the condemnation of abortion is an infallible doctrine of the catholic Church until I told you. You are an ungrateful and unfaair.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying here. The answers to all of these examples is No.
However, when we agree on the moral teaching being stated, but disagreeing on weather or not it is formally recognized as an “infallible teaching” or not, it is a form of squabbling.
I say it is an informal infallible teaching, meaning that it is a teaching that has been defined by the Church, but not formally in the same way as say these others that you have mentioned. We can go back and forth; you say it is and we say it is not formally an infallible teaching, while all agreeing that it is a true teaching that the evil act of abortion is immoral, but why argue about this?
If you feel so strongly about this, then, as I have said, reach out to your Bishop and either request that he clarifies the misunderstanding we are having here. And if he believes it is important enough, then he will either clarify it himself or take it to the Bishop of Rome (The Pope) and let him either clarify or formally declare it an “Infallible Teaching” (implying that maybe it had not been, making us right and you wrong. But, I’m not here to win an argument. I’m simply hear to keep individuals honest.
I do not think you are being dishonest; I think you are misrepresenting what myself and others are saying here (either out of confusion or out of pride). Or we are simply disagreeing on the definition that you are using to describe the teaching. Again, we all agree on the teaching itself.
Thank you for your reply and explanation. After researching it even more I realize that this issue is misunderstood by almost all Catholic Magisterium, Catholic commentators and laity so I can understand your doubts. I was surprised by the high degree of misunderstandings at EWTN and Catholic Answers. I will try to go step by step according to the actual Catholic teaching.
1.” 4. This new formula of the Professio fidei”. The Profession of faith has been updated at the Vatican website but some people are still using the old one which causes confusion.
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Infallible Doctrine can be made in 3 different ways…”These doctrines are contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and defined with a solemn judgement as divinely revealed truths either by the Roman Pontiff when he speaks ‘ex cathedra,’ or by the College of Bishops gathered in council, or infallibly proposed for belief by the ordinary and universal Magisterium”… Professio fidei.
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All 3 ways are equal in authority because there is no higher category than infallible. Ex-Cathedra is not superior to the other two ways, that is a common misconception and causes confusion.
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These doctrines require the assent of theological faith by all members of the faithful. Thus, whoever obstinately places them in doubt or denies them falls under the censure of heresy, as indicated by the respective canons of the Codes of Canon Law.
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Such doctrines can be defined solemnly by the Roman Pontiff when he speaks ‘ex cathedra’ or by the College of Bishops gathered in council, or they can be taught infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Church as a 'sententia definitive tenenda’.14 Every believer, therefore, is required to give firm and definitive assent to these truths, based on faith in the Holy Spirit’s assistance to the Church’s Magisterium, and on the Catholic doctrine of the infallibility of the Magisterium in these matters.15 Whoever denies these truths would be in a position of rejecting a truth of Catholic doctrine 16 and would therefore no longer be in full communion with the Catholic Church.
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at number 11… To the truths of the first paragraph belong the articles of faith of the Creed, the various christological dogmas21 and marian dogmas;22the doctrine of the institution of the sacraments by Christ and their efficacy with regard to grace;23the doctrine of the real and substantial presence of Christ in the Eucharist24and the sacrificial nature of the eucharistic celebration;25the foundation of the Church by the will of Christ;26the doctrine on the primacy and infallibility of the Roman Pontiff;27 the doctrine on the existence of original sin;28the doctrine on the immortality of the spiritual soul and on the immediate recompense after death;29the absence of error in the inspired sacred texts;30the doctrine on the grave immorality of direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being.31
31 Cf. John Paul II, Encyclical Letter Evangelium Vitae, 57: AAS 87 (1995), 465.
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Here is the exact wording from the Pope that makes it infallible… Given such unanimity in the doctrinal and disciplinary tradition of the Church, Paul VI was able to declare that this tradition is unchanged and unchangeable. 72 Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, in communion with the Bishops-who on various occasions have condemned abortion and who in the aforementioned consultation, albeit dispersed throughout the world, have shown unanimous agreement concerning this doctrine-I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s Tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. Paragraph 62
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Since abortion is murder, it is only proper that Pope John Paul 2 established the condemnation of abortion as it an infallible doctrine according to the Fifth Commandment Thou Shall Not Murder.
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The Pope knew exactly what he was doing so he purposely named it a “doctrine” in this Encyclical so there would be no misunderstanding that he meant it to be infallible.
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The condemnation of abortion is listed along with all the Marian dogmas and the founding of the Catholic Church by Christ so it must be infallible along with them.
Thank you for your understanding and patience.