Can love exist if there is no God?

Everyone defines love differently. Some say love is a feeling. Others say love is a verb (shout-out to DC Talk ; ). B16 wrote an encyclical about the different types of love titled, Deus Caritas Est (God is Love). Christian underground hip-hop group, Mars Ill, wrote a song about what Love’s Not and then manChild converted to Catholicism.

Whatever love is to you, do you believe love can exist without God?

I went a little to far on this one and removed my post I did not like what it said.

Now I am curious what you wrote ; )

This is a deep question. There are many ways of looking at the question.

In few words I was basically saying what is the point in a situation where God does not exist and you have no spirit or soul.Love would come down to a basic instinct if God does not exist.

Very simply, Love cannot exist without God because God is love. Really, nothing would exist without God because he created everything

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Nothing would exist God is the cause of all things. He brought the earth into being.

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I actually had a kind of question like this before. Thanks to some good teachers, I think love can’t exist without God because to me love is not a primeval instinct. Love is sacrificial, and it makes people do really brave things, and simple kind actions by the Holy Spirit even when it does not benefit them and harms them gravely. Jesus came down to us out of love, and that justifies that God loves us. As well that love can’t be just out of an instinct to mate. Love does not look out for itself, it does not boast, but in contrast to instinct of survival, can put ourselves at risk, at suffering, for the good of others, just like Jesus. God bless always, and hope this helps!

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Fyodor Dostoyevsky addressed this question in his novel The Brothers Karamazov. Two of the brothers are sinful and one is holy. They discuss this question and many others, so the author presented several sides of questions, although in many cases the answer favored by his own faith is clear, sometimes voiced by an elder at a monastery. One of the brothers states that if there is no God, then nothing is forbidden. It’s a good book, though somewhat difficult to read, at least for me. I was supposed to read it in high school more than 50 years ago but read it only this past fall.

God is love. There can be no true love without God.

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Your answer was so elegant and perfect. Welcome to CatholicTalk : )

Well….I was never loved for exactly who I am. Yes I believe in a God, but on this planet love doesn’t exist. It’s manufactured at best, and pretends to care about you, and then when you decide you want to change your beliefs on certain things, then your own family and even a few of your friends that are now ex-friends can’t deal with you.

I was never loved in this life to begin with by anyone physically around me. All it was, was a bunch of people who thought they could change me. I was born with a stutter and I cannot tell you how many times I was reminded that I stutter. It would take everything not to counter with “Gee, I’ve only stuttered since I was a little kid. Thanks for reminding me of the speech impediment I have, how thoughtful of you :roll_eyes: .”

It’s sad but the moment you don’t go to Church anymore, and the moment that you have found your own truth and are constantly being criticized about how something deeply resonates with you so much that Catholicism never did, you realize who really cares about you. In my family, I’m the black sheep. I still believe in God and even Jesus, yet I am looked down upon all because of my opinions. It’s probably one of the most shallowest things a hueman being can do to a person. And them my Dad wonders why everything around me I believe is an illusion. Because this isn’t what love is. I’m not saying I want my Dad to innerstand what it is I believe, cause that’s expecting too much, and it’s not being realistic either. But, I also don’t like it that the moment I talk about my beliefs, everyone looks at eachother smiling like I’m the crazy person. If this is what love looks like, count me out. This is terrible….these are the same people who don’t like it when someone criticizes them for their beliefs, but yet it’s ok to laugh openly and in front of me when I speak about some of the things I believe in.

This Earth is a cesspool. We all know who the god of this world is right? I’m not saying I’m this good person (cause I have done bad things before too, I’m no saint), but would it hurt to maintain some level of self-control and not just laugh in front of me where everyone can see it. I hate living here. Just the system we live in is all about feeding the hueman ego. Here in America we condone bad behavior, in some instances we even award it (work in retail, you’ll see what I mean).

The only being who actually gives 2 shits about me is God. No hueman being I know on this planet actually loves people, like truly loves them, not makes fun of them, or dehumanizes them, etc… No, the only being in my life that has loved me is God, cause God made me and he made me beautifully. I keep saying to God to come down here and hug me so I can cry in his arms for 24 hours. I don’t like it here. When I was a Catholic, no one wanted anything to do with me except my family, and then when I change my beliefs, now no one really wants me except God. It just comes to show you that hueman beings aren’t capable of loving someone they don’t innerstand. Again, I’m not looking for acceptance, love isn’t always about acceptance, but what I want is a little respect is all. Ok, so you don’t believe me, wonderful….so do me a favor, please don’t bully me. And if that’s hard for you to do, then you need to physically walk away, cause I don’t wanna see you make fun of me quite literally in front of my face.

I’m 36 years old and this place is Godless. I just wanna be having adventures with Jesus, f*** this place….

Peace to all,

Both Adam and Eve gave up their own mortal
Eternal life now away from the tree of life for the love of the other I believe.

And through Mary, who fixes the mortal body becoming immortality through the immaculate conception in the new eve

And for Jesus in the New Adam, becoming the Christ for all mankind from Holy Spirit Incorruption through the created souls of all for the flesh becoming again from death and resurrection glorified and transfigured in one family for all from where they came, Ond God, One Holy Family, I believe.

Peace always,
Stephen

Whoever hates his life in this world will save it, Jesus said. I often hate living in this world too. There is so much hostility and indifference even toward strangers. Yet there are people who love me. They treat me kindly, care about me, and treat me with respect. And I try to love others too.

By the way, I once knew a guy who had a stutter. He said he didn’t stutter when he sang. :slight_smile:

Yeah…we never stutter when we sing. That’s one perk.

My Art Teacher in College (Reverend Bob Jones) had a stutter. He overcame much of his stuttering, but would still get caught up on words that started with “W.”

He loved to tell stories about his life. He shared with us about the time he had applied for an elevator company. They were looking for an artist to airbrush mock-ups to show customers what their elevator remodel could look like if they go with this company. When the company called him to make him an offer for the position, Mr. Jones was trying to accept it, but began to stutter. They offered him more money. Still stuttering, trying to accept the new offer, they went even higher. Finally he was able to get the words out and that was the day his stuttering was became an amazing blessing : )

Mr. Jones had many stories filled with wisdom. Another student, for one of his projects, made an album cover titled, “Story Time with Mr. Jones.” And on the back it listed some of the classics. I recall one of them was titled, “Going Fishing with Mr. Jones.” That story was about the time Mr. Jones had to use the bathroom, but he was out on a fishing boat. What do you do? Well, he had a solution. I will leave that up to your imagination : )