# Why do Many Atheists Believe in Aliens, but not God? **URL:** \ **Category:** Casual Discussion\ **Created:** [December 19, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895 "2024-12-19T16:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Peter1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a587f6/32.png) [@Peter1](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Peter1)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/73 "2025-11-30T00:58:12Z")
HI DD! Back to continue our discussion. What you explain about souls rising out of their graves is very amazing. You say that the body they arise out of the graves with is “not your normal body”, but it’s “spiritualized, imperishable, and different in quality.” Are there any words in scripture that indicate when this will come about? And what is the destiny of those who died before the appearance of Jesus on our planet? Regarding the question of why God creates us and places us in a world that is filled with indescribable trials and pains, you are explaining that God does this out of love for us. Considering the understanding that the heavenly host lives with God in the spiritual realm, where these anomalies don’t exsit, this is still conceptually unsatisfying to me and to my heart. But I am willing to hear more. I am still convinced, that like the metaphor of Satan himself, who is a fallen angel, and considering that we no longer live in the Garden of Eden……that we are fallen angels, given an opportunity to live outside of the “Garden of Eden” where we struggle to live by the sweat of our brow…….but as “prodigal sons”, are given an opportunity to repent and be redeemed. Another point that resists acceptance in my heart is your statement that “God wills the good of creatures by giving them existence.” I agree wholeheartedly with this concept…..and that’s why I do not eat animals, fowl, and fish. (I know that in some cultures people eat reptiles. I have seen video of people in Asian markets, skinning large snakes while they alive, and putting the wreathing serpents into baskets for the buyer to take home for cooking). It is my unshakable conviction that an animal is more than a machine made of material energy. The creatures have consciousness. Many of the species can respond to human love, and reciprocate. A cow or a pig, or a lamb cannot be created in a laboratory. They do not have the “software” (conceptual capacity) of the human mind. They cannot understand the concepts that religion offers us. But they are more than a combination of earth elements and water. They are spirits, just as we are spirits. But they do not possess the intellectual capacities that a human body provides. And yet people consider them like fruits and vegetables, to be harvested, and slaughtered. The scriptures that I am drawn to state that as long as this needless slaughtering of innocent creatures continues, nature’s backlash will come upon us in the form of wars, earthquakes, volcanoes, draughts and floods, plagues like covid, etc. But people say, “Bad luck.” Nothing happens by chance. It is all the will of God. You write that, “We are created because God is generous, and freely gives of himself.”, I like that. My scriptures go a step further. They say that God created us because He enjoys to be loved. He enjoys our love. He needs nothing. He is complete within Himself. But he enjoys our love. And therefore we have been created……. for this purpose alone. To love God is the purpose of our existence. Jesus says the very same thing. You may wonder that I say such a thing. But I ask you to consider. The Jewish clergy have their law books, their commandments. They have books that give the rules of social conduct. Jesus says that all those laws are good, and the he didn’t come to change any of them. They accused Jesus of “working on the Sabbath” when he healed people. They accused him of picking grains when passing though the fields on the Sabbath. The Jews were, and still are very rule-conscious. It is the religion of being “good boys and girls”, and being rewarded by going to heaven. Jesus says that he did not come to change the law, but that “man doesn’t to enter the Kingdom by good works alone”. Jesus came to complete the law, to give the highest understanding of the law, the next step for the Judaic people. And he revealed that next step when the Jewish clergy asked Jesus what is the most important rule. What is the highest rule. They were thinking, that perhaps they could make Jesus say something that they could hold against him, so that they could discredit him. But Jesus gave them the highest rule. He said that the rule of all rules is to “love the Lord thy God with all of your mind, all of your heart, and all of your strength.” My logic is…..that if love of God, without asking for anything in return, is the highest rule…….and……if we accept that Jesus only tells us what God wants of us…….then this is what God wants of us more than anything else. And therefore, my mind and heart tell me……we are created only for this purpose. And, that everything else that we feel we need in life will automatically be provided, if, and when, we become obedient to this instruction of Jesus. “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” “Oh ye of little faith……”. But we are not ready, yet, to “Consider the lilies of the field. They work not….and yet God provides all that they need.” (paraphrase). We don’t accept these teachings. We don’t live as Jesus instructs. Because we simply don’t have enough faith yet. But at least, let us begin to understand what Jesus is teaching, to have a sense of direction, and to begin to pray for the ability to live, incrementally, by degree, according to his instruction, as Jesus himself lived among, to show by way of example, what a real spiritual life looks like. The fishermen who worked to maintain their families, were hesitant to give up their work, and Jesus said, “Let it all go and become fishers of men.”, meaning saving the souls of men. This is my understanding of a Catholic life. Amen. Thank you for our discussion, Peter ---
**Author:** ![ddonova7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@ddonova7](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/ddonova7)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 1:44am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/74 "2025-11-30T01:44:53Z")
> [@Peter1](#): > > According the Vedic astrological descriptions of the universe, there are 14 planetary systems, each with its “collection” of planets. Right, but Im asking, is this stating that there are _just_ 14 planetary systems in existence? Or does it acknowledge there are more? > At what point in time does the body of the fetus receive the soul, and become conscious, according to your faith? > > Another question that arises…….according Catholicism, does the deserving soul go to heaven, or is he risen from the grave? The notion “when” the soul is infused has varied a bit throughout the centuries, Aquinas theorized it was during the “quickening”. The current consensus is that it’s at conception, when the zygote comes into existence as a new human organism. Souls when people die go to Heaven, hell, or purgatory(then to Heaven after a period of penance). The heavenly souls are to be later reunited with their sanctified bodies, stated to happen after the Second Coming of Jesus, during the Last Judgment. I cannot be more specific than that, even the Bible states we know neither the date nor the hour. > And what is the destiny of those who died before the appearance of Jesus on our planet? As we state in the Apostle’s creed, when Christ died, he descended to the dead and released the righteous, opening heaven for them. > “Many of the species can respond to human love, and reciprocate. A cow or a pig, or a lamb cannot be created in a laboratory. They do not have the “software” (conceptual capacity) of the human mind. They cannot understand the concepts that religion offers us. But they are more than a combination of earth elements and water” The Greeks agreed with this notion, they don’t see animals as having a “rational soul”, but they do have spirtual substance above that of other forms of matter. > But Jesus gave them the highest rule. Jesus did not really give the rule, so much as restated it. What he’s mentioning there is a passage from Deuteronomy 6 that Jews call the Shema, it’s a core Jewish prayer. Equally the Jews, while they are more rule-bound as a culture and covenant, didn’t simply reduce their faith to that. Ancient Judaism already taught the availabilty and importance of God’s mercy, that the Covenant was a gift not simply a loveless obligation, and as I said, saw the loving of God as the highest commandment. As to reducing faith to love, Catholicism does not do this either. Instead, it’s more like Grace + virtue + sacramental life + reason + moral action + charity. They’re all held in equal regard. Grace, love, completes life, perfects it even, but the other things still matter. Equally, while we did do away with most Jewish cermonial laws, we do still have commandments. We have rules. “If you love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15) ---
**Author:** ![Peter1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a587f6/32.png) [@Peter1](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Peter1)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 5:02am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/75 "2025-11-30T05:02:18Z")
Such wonderful scholarly responses! I have great respect for your studies and assimilation. It is a genuine pleasure to hear your answers and assertions. Regarding the 14 planetary systems, yes, only 14, but of course within each system (for lack of better words) there may be innumerable planets. According to Vedic literature, the bodies of souls on different planets are composed of the energies of the planet. For example, a fish requires an aqueous environment and cannot live on land. A man cannot live his life submerged in water. Therefore to live on a given planet one must have a specific kind of body. Again, for example, the Vedic literature describes that there are beings on the sun planet. But you and I cannot live on the sun planet, because we do not have bodies that can live on the sun planet. Those who live on the sun planet requires bodies composed of fire. I understand that this is an unusual concept. But I also know that Jesus says that there are many more things that he could describe to his disciples, but they were not ready to hear of such things. Again for example, what is the sociology of the spiritual world? Jesus says, in Bible, if I remember correctly that he does not make the seating arrangements in heaven, who sits where, when asked, I think by one of his disciples. Veda states that God has a personal form, and does wear a crown, and does sit on a throne. And why not? Only the mundane mind will be puzzled and say: If God has a personal form ion heaven, how can He simultaneously be omnipresent in all of our hearts? But why not? If he can expand Himself as the Father, the son and the all pervasive Holy Ghost, why can He not have a personal form? Re how many planetary systems exist within the universe……..not only are there 14 planetary systems within the universe, but there are, according to Vedic literature, unlimited universes. Unlimited. And according Vedic literature, the universes emanate from the breathing of God. When He exhales, the universes come out from him just like the dust particles that we see in a sunbeam of light. Millions. And when He inhales, all of them are reabsorbed into His being, and all the souls in those universes are contained within His spiritual body, in a dormant condition, until He breathes out again. And this is only the material creation. Then the Vedic literature describes the spiritual realm, where everything and everyone exists eternally. And that the material creation, with its unlimited material universes, is a small part of the kingdom of God. And God’s presence, as the all-pervading Holy Ghost, is omnipresent. But the realization of His omnipresence is only given to those souls in the material world who are engaged in sincere worship. Just like one who is sincere, can feel the presence of Jesus within his heart 24/7. He “never walks alone.” In the same way, Jesus, from within the heart of the purely devoted soul, can introduce the individual soul to God the Father. That is his mission. But first one must learn from intimate association with Jesus, what is love of God. Only from the son can one learn love of the Father. This is the purport of Jesus saying that one can only know the Father through the son. But to do this one must first be in intimate association with Jesus within his heart. “Accept the yoke that I wear.” This is the yoke of love of the Father. Jesus offers that yoke to us. One can only acquire that from one who has it. Or from one who has acquired it from Jesus. And that is the real position of the real pope. That is the real qualification of the real pope. Then by worshipping him, one can receive the yoke that Jesus wears, because the real pope also wears that yoke. If one says that this is unreasonable, then why has Jesus said, “Accept the yoke that I wear.”? I mix my thoughts with my questions. I get carried away. There is nothing more exciting in life that to discuss and contemplate the subject of spiritual life, the goal of life, and how to proceed towards that goal. Surely there is more to it than to be a church member, and have some water poured over one’s head. Yes, that can be a beginning. Even in this world, there is a ceremony for a man and wife to get married. But that’s only the beginning. They have to live as man and wife. We have to live in communion with Jesus, and when he is satisfied, when he is pleased……everything will be revealed. ”Knock and the door will be opened to you.” But that knocking has to be there. ---
**Author:** ![ddonova7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@ddonova7](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/ddonova7)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/76 "2025-11-30T08:23:24Z")
> Regarding the 14 planetary systems, yes, only 14, but of course within each system (for lack of better words) there may be innumerable planets. Are you positive that only 14 planetary systems exist is what they meant? I ask, as there have been two exo-planet searching missions lead by NASA, first Kepler from 2009 to 2018, then TESS starting in 2020. > **[Kepler / K2 - NASA Science](https://science.nasa.gov/mission/kepler/)** > > The Kepler space telescope was NASA’s first planet-hunting mission, assigned to search a portion of the Milky Way galaxy for Earth-sized planets orbiting stars outside our solar system. During nine years in deep space Kepler, and its second act, the... The Kepler Satellite found over **2,700** planets in its lifetime, around 500 of which were Earth sized. While many of these were found within the same solar system, the number of planetary systems it discovered was far more than just 13. It’s easily over a 1,000. TESS, which is far newer, has found an additional ~600 exoplanets, possibly as many as 7,000 to still be confirmed. That’s easily another 2-3,000. And this is all within just our own Milkyway Galaxy. With other systems, we’ve seen planets in other galaxies as well. And even “Rogue planets” which were cast off from their home galaxies, into the void. I work in aerospace, and while I didn’t work directly on these missions, I’ve seen some of this data personally. There isn’t any doubt as to what they’ve found. ---
**Author:** ![Peter1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a587f6/32.png) [@Peter1](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Peter1)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/77 "2025-11-30T16:19:02Z")
These subjects are not really important. We are talking about what happens when we die, why we are here in the material world, what is the process by which we can attain eternal life in association with God………and these “scientists” are contributing nothing of value in this context. Merely spending tax dollars on something that does nothing for the people in general. All the scientific research on the planet cannot help anyone to go to heaven. It’s another distraction, and waste of time. this is my conviction. A real scientist will say, “God is so inconceivably great. He floats all these planets in space. He makes the sun rise every day, and the moon at night. He causes fruits and flowers to appear out of the earth. He sends His son to our planet to tell about things we would never dream about otherwise. Let us all bow down before Him in a sincere mood of awe and veneration.” Our business is not to “conquer nature”. This will never happen. All the so-called scientific progress in the past 100 odd years, has made the oceans toxic, made the air polluted, contaminated the water supply, and made our lives more and more complex in the name of convenience. Our business is to understand what God wants of us, and and live our lives in effort to invoke His pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![ddonova7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@ddonova7](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/ddonova7)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/78 "2025-11-30T20:07:38Z")
Oh I must disagree, they are extremely important. I do agree the final question you wish to discuss, what happens when we die, why we exist, and how we return to God, they are absolutely the most important questions in life. But from a Catholic and Thomistic perspective, the dismissal of science as irrelevant or harmful is simply a misunderstanding of what science is for. For Thomas Aquinas, all truth is God’s truth, and the study of the natural world is not a distraction from God but a way of encountering His wisdom. As Aquinas quotes Wisdom 13:5: _“From the greatness and beauty of created things comes a corresponding perception of their Creator.”_ Scientific discovery does not pull us away from God — it reveals His handiwork more clearly. To learn that there are thousands of planetary systems does not diminish God; it magnifies Him, because creation is larger and more wondrous than ancient people could possibly have imagined. You said that science “cannot help anyone go to heaven.” In one sense that is true, salvation is by God’s grace, not by physics. But at the same time, science is a part of the human vocation. Genesis commands us to “till and keep” creation, to study it, understand it, and use that knowledge to heal, build, and steward. Thomistic theology holds that human reason is a divine gift; using it properly is an act of worship, not rebellion. It is not science that pollutes; it is rather human vices that misues reason for greed, pride, and injustice, the very things Christ came to heal. So while you are right that eternal life matters more than astronomy, i find it to be a mistake to say scientific knowledge has “no value,” or that a scientist’s work cannot glorify God. As St. John Paul II, drawing on Aquinas, said: _“Faith and reason are like two wings by which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth.”_ Science is one of those wings. Faith is the other. Neither contradicts the other when properly ordered. ---
**Author:** ![ddonova7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@ddonova7](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/ddonova7)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2025, 6:30am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/80 "2025-12-02T06:30:28Z")
> [@Peter1](#): > > Science has its place in our lives (whether we like it or not.). What I actually meant to convey is th… Hi Peter, thank you for explaining your perspective so clearly. I wanted to respond to a few things you brought up, not to argue with you, but to offer another way of looking at the same concerns. It’s understandable to feel uneasy about the downsides of technology. Pollution, nuclear weapons, consumerism, and the exploitation of the poor are real moral failures. Where we differ is on the cause. You see scientific progress itself as the root problem, as being the manifestion of Babel, whereas many philosophical and spiritual traditions, including Catholicism, make a distinction between tools and how humans choose to use them. Creating tools, cultivating the earth, building, inventing, and improving life are ways we imitate the Creator, some we can do righteously because we are made in His image. In that view, the goal isn’t to abandon the modern world, but to infuse it with virtue. To use creativity, reason, science, and technology in ways that serve human dignity rather than undermine it. In truth, the issue isn’t science, but disordered desire, pride, greed, and poor stewardship. The same scientific understanding that allows industrial pollution _ **also** _ allows clean water treatment, medicine, agriculture, and environmental restoration. The same physics that makes nuclear weapons possible _ **also** _ makes MRI machines, solar panels, and weather prediction possible. And Even cases where we did create a weapon, they can still be a force for mercy. The nuclear powered carriers we built to fight the Soviets, ended up serving as off-shore generators and hospitals to the people of Haiti after the 2010 Earthquake. Weapons preserving life, where nature itself sought to end it. In other words: the moral weight remains on human choices, not on the tools. You also mentioned empiricism turning people away from the spiritual. That can certainly happen, but the Catholic Church, for our part, sees empiricism as simply one method of knowing the physical world, not a worldview that has to replace spiritual meaning. One can value evidence for material questions and still hold that meaning, purpose, and the transcendent belong to a different category of truth. Your concern about shallow or materialistic versions of religion is something many people agree with. But again, others would place the blame on moral formation, culture, and human will; not on science as such. A society can become spiritually shallow with or without advanced technology; the remedy I would argue is deeper conversion, deeper meaning, and deeper love. Where we do agree, I think, is that humans often lose their way chasing comfort or power. The question is _how_ to respond: by rejecting scientific development entirely, or by redirecting it towards serving human dignity and the common good. I hope this comes across in the spirit intended, not to dismiss your concerns, but to add another philosophical angle to them. I appreciate the conversation and your openness. ---
**Author:** ![Peter1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a587f6/32.png) [@Peter1](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Peter1)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/81 "2025-12-02T16:20:30Z")
Yes, dd, I agree with you 100%. Opulence of any kind, be it power, wealth, knowledge, beauty, or fame……..is not a bad thing in itself. It’s all a question of how we use it. This brings us to the distinction between “God and mammon”. The difference between the two is whether we engage in life with a self-centered orientation…….how to make our lives more fulfilling, more complete , more satisfying, more pleasurable, directly through the agency of our mind and senses………or whether we our every thought, word and deed is consciously and purposefully intended to give pleasure to the Lord. In the material realm, the material world, man is inclined to lack a sense of living connection with God, to not know Him, to not feel His presence in our lives, to not have spontaneous feelings of love for Him, or to feel His love for us. This mood of separateness induces the spirit soul to seek happiness through the satiation of his mind and senses. The mind wants to enjoy a superior social position, and the senses want tastes, smells, touches, sounds, sights, and sexual stimulation that are pleasing. We cannot stop having desires. The ascetics make this attempt. But desire is a quality of the spirit itself. In the Vedic literature the individual spirit souls are compared with the leaves on a great tree. All the leaves require water. If the leaves try to water themselves, this will not quench their thirst. Some few of the leaves may try to water the other leaves. But this also will not satisfy completely. But if one of the leaves waters the root of the tree, all the leaves, flowers, fruits and branches are satisfied, without separate endeavor. Therefore, as you say, we have to “ make a distinction between tools and how humans choose to use them.” If society in general is going to make this distinction, education is the first essential. We have to become convinced that our desires to satisfy ourselves through our minds and sense alone, is a dysfunctional approach to life. If we reflect upon the historical accounts of the lives of the saints, we immediately see the difference. Because they are “watering the root” of our existence, they are proportionately released from humanity’s obsessive drive towards the illusory pursuit of sense gratification. E.g.,my social security retirement amounts to some $12,000 a year, and I believe that persons like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are trillionaires. But they cannot eat more for breakfast than I can. I need six feet of floor space for taking rest at night. I need some clothing, and a roof over my head. More money, a larger house, more expensive clothing, driving a Rolls Royce, etc., these things do not make us more satisfied. In fact we see that the millionaire, billionaire, and trillionaire still feels he wants more, and feels that having more will make him happy. That’s when exploitation and imperialism become rampant across the globe. In other words, it is faith in the worship of mammon that is the enemy of the world. The worship of mammon means that the individual aspires to lord it over his personal sphere of influence, as far as possible, be it large or small. Therefore, it is not that scientific “progress” is in itself a source of evil…….but our faith in science as the source of fulfillment of our lives………this is a post-dated check that diverts the hearts of men from the real goal of life. Why does Saint Francis leave his well-to-do family life and live his life as an ascetic? Austerity is not his goal. God is his goal. And more clothes, more shoes, more cars, more bank balance, more videos, more sports events, more, more, more, more…….these are simply distractions, impediments, that consume our energies, to the extent that if a man manages to spend an hour going to church once a week, that is an accomplishment. So…..it’s not the scientific innovations that are directly the problem, but the faith of the man in the street, that these innovations will make his life complete. In fact, this faith is delusion. If you ask Francis if he cares for any of it, he will laugh. This faith is the difference between the worship of God and and the worship of mammon. Jesus talked about this in his sermon on the mount. One becomes the servant of one or the other. “A man cannot have two masters.” So, yes, as you say, we can use technology “in ways that serve human dignity rather than undermine it.” Again, as you say, empiricism has its place in our lives. A man knows by experience that his environment cannot be too cold or too hot. That is empiricism. But no degree of empiricism will enable us to know God, because God only reveals Himself to us in response to our degree of faith and devotion. Why did Jesus say that we should “consider the lillies of the field.”? He said that they don’t work hard and yet God supplies their needs, making them so beautiful. But if we have the faith that scientific discoveries, inventions, appliances, technologies, will make our lives complete………then a man will work 40, 60, 80 hours a week to obtain these things which cannot fulfill his heart. But we are encouraged from the time we enter school, to the time we graduate from universities that more money can buy more things, and therefore…….let us work very hard. This is not the fault of technology, which is simply the application of nature’s laws. But it is the fault of education, or mis-education that purposely misleads the mass of mankind to have “more”, thereby placing us all in competition, and turning the world upside down. Still do I agree with you when you write, “A society can become spiritually shallow with or without advanced technology; the remedy I would argue is deeper conversion, deeper meaning, and deeper love.” As you say, “Where we do agree, I think, is that humans often lose their way chasing comfort or power. The question is _how_ to respond: by rejecting scientific development entirely, or by redirecting it towards serving human dignity and the common good.” One point of consideration is that people in general are followers. They follow the leaders. And whatever standards the leaders demonstrates, the people follow. This is a sociological fact. Good leadership is of the utmost importance. Nelson Mandella, Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln………what to speak of Jesus himself…….the minds and hearts of men can be guided if those with leadership abilities set good examples. Part of the problem is the way in which societies are established. If the corporations, the business-minded sector “own’ the governments, either through lobbying or by directly holding government seats, this immediately creates a conflict of interest. Such a government cannot serve the needs of the people. It will not control pollution created by industry. It will facilitate industry, because it becomes the servant of industry. This is only one example. There are so many. It will not tell people that eating animal flesh is carcinogenic and that feeding kids sugar will produce an epidemic of diabetes among the youth of the country……..because the government is invested in catering to the financial aspirations of these corporations. Etc., etc. Therefore the division of church and state is an anomaly. Yes, there should be freedom of religion, and no single religion should enforce its way of worship on the citizens. But government must be guided by real spiritual leadership, for the good of the people. Government is administrative, a ruling arm. But that ruling has to be such that the society in general is moving towards communion God. Otherwise it is animal society. Eating, sleeping, defending and mating in sophisticated ways, without moving closer to God is simply a high class animal society. I think that Catholicism hods the position that we are all born under the influence of “original sin”. Therefore, without spiritual guidance in every sector of society, we find ourselves moving the wrong direction. There is the hymn, “We Shall Overcome”. Society is faced with the challenge of overcoming the tendency to create more sin because of the influence of original sin. It is an uphill battle. Separation of church and state……this is a step in the wrong direction. So many interesting topics…… I enjoy conversing with you. Thank you for responding to me in such a nice way. Peter ---
**Author:** ![Literalman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/literalman/32/117_2.png) [@Literalman](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Literalman)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/82 "2025-12-02T16:21:25Z")
Well said, ddonova7. A few years ago, I read an article about the Amish. Although outsiders often look at the Amish as frozen technologically in the 1800s, the article said that they look at new technology and decide whether it would be good for their community. ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/cade_one/32/34_2.png) [@Cade\_One](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Cade_One)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/83 "2025-12-02T19:53:09Z")
Yes, I grew up fifteen minutes from Amish Country. My neighbors were Amish and there were about fifty Amish in attendance at my Grandparents funerals (they drove the Amish place when they needed to travel long distances). My Brother worked for Verizon and one Amish Community allowed members to have a flip-phone, as long as it did not have a camera on it. My Brother had to inform them that when the next models released, there would be no more phones offered at Verizon without a camera. They would either have to put a piece of electrical tape over it and trust that their members won’t use it or come up with another solution. Another Amish Community shared one cell-phone that they housed in a sort of phone booth that they built out of wood near the end of the lane. Some Amish builders are allowed to use power tools only if you offer some to them, otherwise they must continue working with hammer & nails. They were three days into building my friend’s home, when he found this out. They won’t tell you this and it is on a community by community basis : ) ---
**Author:** ![mademoiselleviolaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/mademoiselleviolaine/32/1136_2.png) [@mademoiselleviolaine](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/mademoiselleviolaine)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/84 "2026-03-25T19:28:24Z")
Sorry for the question, but is it alright to believe in God AND in aliens? I think aliens might exist and if they do God created them as well. ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/cade_one/32/34_2.png) [@Cade\_One](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Cade_One)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 7:40pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/85 "2026-03-25T19:40:12Z")
Greeting earthling (just kidding ; ) Yes, you can believe in aliens and that God created them. [“Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World”](https://sqpn.com/podcasts/jimmy-akins-mysterious-world/) has talked about this, and this question has come up on [“Weird Questions for Jimmy”](https://www.catholic.com/search?q=Weird%20Questions%20for%20Jimmy&l=en) over on Catholic Answers Live. I personally do not believe in aliens. I am also prepared not to believe “Project Blue Beam” when it is conducted. This is where world governments may try to fake an alien invasion or Jesus’ return to further control the masses. They just showed us what they can do with a virus, now they will see what they can do by using technology to convince us that things are in the skies above. Or maybe not. Maybe none of this will happen : ) ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.catholictalk.net/cade_one/32/34_2.png) [@Cade\_One](https://forum.catholictalk.net/u/Cade_One)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2026, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/why-do-many-atheists-believe-in-aliens-but-not-god/1895/86 "2026-05-12T17:52:29Z")
Sounds like the Psy-Op is active. Part of operation _Blue Beam_ is apparently trying to get Pastors on board with the idea of Aliens. Christians, do not fall for whatever our government has planned. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/catholic365/original/2X/4/4bedc2d27ba07798a385f22b95683880e49e2f90.jpeg "Government Officials Warned Pastors: Alien Disclosure is Coming w/ Daniel O'Connor & Joshua Charles") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3473D8HF2o) ---
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I don’t believe in aliens, although there is no reason to suspect their temperament as hostile or otherwise if there were. McDonalds appeared to Earth in 1940 and that was bad enough. ![McDonalds1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/catholic365/original/2X/7/7df75926d618b1dbcf4d4ce068f3ef594c14dafe.jpeg) ---
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Dinosaurs weren’t in the Bible and so I think it is okay for people to consider extraterrestrials as real. Dinos are not noted in Scripture as far as we know only because it was man by means of God who was to list that which was in Creation and it would have been too beyond the knowledge of people at the time for them to have comprehended, or at least not applicable to the meaning in Scripture. ---
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