# Mary co redeemer and co mediator **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [February 5, 2026, 11:12am UTC](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/mary-co-redeemer-and-co-mediator/3086 "2026-02-05T11:12:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 36
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> [@CristoRei](#): > > So far on this forum I’ve heard people say that Mary is a God, that she is part of the Trinity and that she pre-exists God. This is coming from one individual who holds views contrary to what the Catholic Christian Church teaches. Had this individual lived and was well-known to the Early Church Councils, they would have said, [“Let him be anathema.”](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/let-them-be-anathema-galatians-1-6-10/2971) > [@](#): > > Elsewhere I’ve heard people say that there is no salvation without Mary. There would be no _incarnation_ without Mary’s obedience to God and her co-operation with His grace. She was made holy and filled with grace by God (for she is the “Ark of the New Covenant”). > [@](#): > > I’ve also been slandered on here being called a blasphemer and worse of all I was called a Satanist. Again, this was by one individual. And I responded that I do not believe anyone who holds your view is “a Satanist” (maybe not as directly as I should have, but I try to be respectful to everyone here). > [@](#): > > I love God and I despise the evil one so I’m sad about that as I am following the teachings of the RCC 😔 This is great! I think this is true of most _good_ Christians. We are reminded of our Baptismal vows every time we dip our fingers in the holy-water font when we enter/leave Church. And explicitly renew these vows again during the Easter Liturgy. _I reject Satan!_ _And all his works and empty promises._ _I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth!_ _I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father!_ _I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting!_ _God, the all-powerful Father of our Lord Jesus Christ has given us a new birth by water and the Holy Spirit, and forgiven all our sins. May He also keep us faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ for ever and ever._ _Amen!_ ♱ > [@](#): > > I don’t feel like adding anymore apart from reiterating the facts that I already stated but seeing you’ve been kind and reasonable I will answer your questions. I appreciate you being here. I am sorry that some have not been charitable towards you. I think you definitely add to the conversation here. Don’t take everything that individuals say here personal. Ultimately, it is all about Christ. These disagreements and slanderings, each will one day have to answer for to God. > [@](#): > > 1- The term co-redemptrix assumes that Mary can redeem our souls and the term co-mediatrix assumes that she can be a mediator between God. Neither titles belong to any dogma and the latest document released by the RCC has rejected these titles saying that they only belong to Jesus. A few thoughts: First, what do you believe is meant by _mediator_ between God? Do you believe this is referring to Prayer (a Protestant interpretation) or Salvation (a Catholic/Orthodox interpretation)? Second, we do not believe that Mary can redeem souls. This is not what _Co-redemptrix_ means. This is what Protestants (and some ignorant Catholics) think it means. If you believe this is what was ever meant by this term when used by the Popes and Fathers, then you are either listening to Protestants who assume what we mean or are ignorant of what the Church means by this term. The Church has not changed her teaching on this (we agree). Where you and I disagree (and perhaps Pope Leo too) is that former Popes have used these terms and Early Church Fathers have described these teachings (without using these terms explicitly). You are correct that these terms are not found in decrees or _dogmas_. So, you can make the argument that it is not official teaching if your definition of “official teaching” is only that which has been defined as _dogma_. And that is a valid definition, but not what I mean when I speak of “Church teaching.” However, you have shown that your definition of these terms is not what those who used/described them (and I don’t mean on this forum, but rather former Popes & Patristics) have taught. You are interpreting these terms as Protestant and ignorant Catholic Christians do. I have not read the new document yet, so I cannot respond to what you claim Leo says. Can you post a link to the actual document (and, please, not to an article telling us what it says)? We also have to understand that Vatican II cares more about _ecumenicalism_, which some Catholic Christians see as a watering down of the Faith to become more Protestant. Meanwhile the Eastern Orthodox Church is doing the opposite. They are standing firm in the Apostolic Faith and saying, if you want the Christian Faith as the Apostles taught, then join us, but if you want _modernity_, then remain Protestant or “join the Catholics.” So, what will happen is, the Orthodox Church will become more relevant and the Catholic Church will become less relevant as she becomes less catholic/orthodox and more protestant/worldly. So, why am I Catholic and not Orthodox? That is a conversation for another thread. Thank you : ) > [@](#): > > 2- I don’t know if the Bishops of Rome have used these terms but as I already said they were never part of any dogmas and have now been rejected Fair enough. The answer is yes, about a handful of Popes _have_ used either of these terms in dispute. > [@](#): > > 3- I’m not familiar with this term the “new Eve” it’s not what I’m referring to and I know it’s not a dogma either I know that it is not what you are referring to, which is part of the disconnect. Mary as the “New Eve” relates to Mary as _Co-redemptrix_. If you are interested in reading what the Early Church Fathers taught on this subject, check out the writings of Justin Martyr, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Cyprian, and St. Ambrose; all described Mary as the _New Eve_. Why does it matter? Because if you do not understand this teaching, then you do not understand what is meant by Mary as _Co-redemptrix_. > [@](#): > > 4- Mary herself takes nothing away from Jesus but all these kind of titles do. Praying the rosary certainly does as one prays 10 times to Mary before praying only once to the Lord. Are you sure that you are not Protestant? I am not saying that Catholic Christians must Pray the Rosary, but [The Rosary is a reflection on Jesus and the Holy Gospels](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/the-rosary-the-bible/1476). > [@](#): > > Fact 1- Mary has four dogmas but neither co-redemptrix nor co-mediatrix has ever been part of any dogma of the RCC I do not disagree with you here. You define “teaching of the Church” as _only_ being what has been officially defined as _dogma_ (and that’s fine), whereas I define “Church teaching” as being the entire deposit of Faith (including what was taught in Sacred Scripture, the writings of the Early Church Fathers, and the Articles of Faith. > [@](#): > > Fact 2- The RCC under Pope Leo released a document rejecting these titles saying that those titles only belong to Jesus. Again, please link to this document. I would love to read it for myself and then I will share my thoughts about it. > [@](#): > > These are the facts. Marianists can believe what they like but unfortunately these beliefs are not in line with the teachings of the RCC. 😔 _Marianist?_ This sounds like how some Protestants used to call Catholic Christians _Papists_. Catholic Christians honor Mary and you used a derogatory term to describe us. Catholic Christians believe in the primacy of Peter and the office of which Jesus bestowed upon him and that which was passed on to his successors (not dissimilar to Isaiah 22:22), but some Protestants use a derogatory term to describe us. You and I agree that some Catholic Christians honor Mary a little too hard, if I’m being frank. And some Catholic Christians and most Protestants do not honor Mary enough. And a few put her on the same level as the serpent, which is discussing. God bless [/quote] --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.catholictalk.net/t/mary-co-redeemer-and-co-mediator/3086)._