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[Cade_One]

@immutable_catholic

Actually I am very aware of bad willed persons, like you.

How am I “bad willed”?

I am older than you. Born before the heretical “Second Vatican Council”.

I guess I am younger than you. Thank you for sharing something about yourself. I appreciate that.

Since you embrace this heretical council, I will openly call you a liar and a heretic.

Very charitable of you.

And I will prove it by proffering what came out of the mouth of antipope Paul VI regarding his lies, subtleties and ambiguities. This is the technique of heretical writers.

Okay.

Paul VI says that the scriptures do not say that the jews are rejected by God, which is a blatant lie.

Could be a lie or he is just wrong.

"…still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures.…

I agree that we should not blame all Jews who were not there shouting “Crucify Him” anymore than you should be held accountable for owning slaves if your ancestors owned slaves.

The part about “Jews shouldn’t be presented as rejected or accused by God…” Is this in refence to what he had said in the sentence prior or as an independent thought? If the latter, then I would disagree with him there too.

John 3:18: “He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

In order to reject belief, one must first be presented something to reject. So for someone who has heard the Gospel and rejects Him, they have already judged themselves, but someone who has not heard the Gospel and does not believe, this would not apply to them.

Hebrews 3:19: “And we see that they could not enter in, because of unbelief.”

Again, I say Amen! And you are correct that Hebrews was specifically written to a community of Jewish Christians.

Acts 4:10-12: “Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God hath raised from the dead, even by him this man standeth here before you whole. This is the stone which was rejected by you the builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.”

Again I say Amen!

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Matthew 21:4-43: “Jesus saith to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? By the Lord this has been done; and it is wonderful in our eyes. Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof.”

Amen! This is all true.

Matthew 8:11: “And I say to you that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven: But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Yep!

The antichrist John Paul II even says that the Old Covenant is not revoked.

I don’t know that he said this.

John Paul Il’s Catechism of the “Catholic” Church

John Paul commissioned the Catechism. I believe Cardinal Ratzinger was asked to chair the 12-member commission tasked with drafting the text by Pope John Paul II in 1986.

121. The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked. Catechism of the Catholic Church

In one sense, this is true. Jesus says in Matthew 5:17, “Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”

So in this sense, the Old Covenant has never been revoked, but rather fulfilled.

But, I agree with you that modern Jews who reject Jesus Christ are not saved under the Old Covenant. Catholics neither believe in Replacement Theology nor Bi- Covenantalism.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1441, ex cathedra: "The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments… after our Lord’s coming… ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began. All, therefore, who after that time (the promulgation of the Gospel) observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, the holy Roman Church declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation."

Right. Exactly what I just said.

You and I do not disagree on these matters. I have not read the document that you are drawing from in full context, so I cannot say if your interpretation or presentation of what is said are accurate. But, if how you have presented these are accurate, then I agree that what is said there is in error. Encyclicals are not infallible teaching. There are things in Pope Francis’ first Encyclical that I also found problematic, but Pope Francis was problematic.

[Cade_One]

@immutable_catholic

Its not about destroying someone as you like to say it…

I did not interpret what you said to mean literally destroying someone.

its about totally destroying your heresies that destroy others.

What heresies are you talking about? I have just shown you that I agree with you about modern Jews cutting themselves off from the True Vine. I do not believe otherwise. But, that is different than you and I playing judger of souls. I do not claim to be God. I Pray for their souls and for their conversion. Calling them demonic is not going to assist in bringing individuals to Christ. You and I just have different views on how to bring others to Jesus and His Church.

It is very easy for us to fall into the sin of pride. I don’t want to make it a pissing contest of who can convert more people, because ultimately, it is Christ working in us, who draws others near. We are simply an instrument. But, you and I could certainly get in the way of Christ working in the lives of others by our arrogance. You think I’m arrogant and I think you are arahant. The feeling are apparently mutual. But, again, it doesn’t matter. I actually think I am starting to like you a little bit : )

[immutable_catholic]

Nice try heretic.

There is no such thing as a jewish Christian. I love your ambiguous response, it smacks perfectly, with you being a heretic; deny, agree, not sure.

There is only one faith, not many faiths!

Although the Vatican II doctrines are heretical, antipope Paul VI had every intent to present the heretical documents of the “Second Vatican Council” as infallible and ecumenical.

Thank you for making my job in exposing you easy by your own mouth. The readers will see you for what you are.

John XXIII and Paul VI both called it an “Ecumenical Council”

John XXIII CONCILIUM OECUMENICUM VATICANUM II SOLLEMNITER INCHOATUR

The main task of the Council: to protect and promote doctrine

5. What is most important to the Ecumenical Council is that the sacred deposit of Christian doctrine be guarded and proposed more effectively.

This doctrine embraces the whole man, composed of body and soul, and the same commands us, who are the inhabitants of this earth, to strive as strangers to the heavenly country.

Antipope Paul VI, “Papal” Brief declaring Council Closed, Dec. 8, 1965:

“At last all which regards the holy Ecumenical Council has, with the help of God, been accomplished and ALL THE CONSTITUTIONS, DECREES, DECLARATIONS, AND VOTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE DELIBERATION OF THE SYNOD AND PROMULGATED BY US. Therefore, we decided to close for all intents and purposes, WITH OUR APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY, this same Ecumenical Council called by our predecessor, Pope John XXIII, which opened October 11, 1962, and which was continued by us after his death. WE DECIDE, MOREOVER, THAT ALL THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED SYNODALLY IS TO BE RELIGIOUSLY OBSERVED BY ALL THE FAITHFUL, for the glory of God and the dignity of the Church… WE HAVE APPROVED AND ESTABLISHED THESE THINGS, DECREEING THAT THE PRESENT LETTERS ARE AND REMAIN STABLE AND VALID, AND ARE TO HAVE LEGAL EFFECTIVENESS, so that they be disseminated and obtain full and complete effect, and so that they may be fully convalidated by those whom they concern or may concern now and in the future; and so that, as it be judged and described, ALL EFFORTS CONTRARY TO THESE THINGS BY WHOEVER OR WHATEVER AUTHORITY, KNOWINGLY OR IN IGNORANCE, BE INVALID AND WORTHLESS FROM NOW ON. Given at Rome, at St. Peter’s, under the [seal of the] ring of the fisherman, December 8… the year 1965, the third year of our Pontificate.”

[immutable_catholic]

Among other things, you recognize the claimants to the papacy of the Vatican II sect to be popes, when they are not popes. Therefore, you hold to their heretical doctrines. It’s not a pick and choose scenario.

Paul VI presented these doctrines as infallible, therefore, as your leader you must adhere and embrace these heretical doctrines.

[Cade_One]

@immutable_catholic

Nice try heretic.

Holy crap! I called it! Read the last line of my previous post on the other thread. You have just made my day : )

[immutable_catholic]

In all your posts the only thing that you give is your heretical opinions. You do not cite the Magisterium of the Catholic Church to back up your straw men. And you don’t do it for a good reason, because you are in opposition to the consistent teachings of the Catholic Church since the beginning.

[Cade_One]

@immutable_catholic

There is no such thing as a jewish Christian.

Christians who came from Judaism is what I mean

There is only one faith, not many faiths!

There is only one Faith that truly matters. There are many faiths and many traditions. I know this might sound “ambiguous” to you, but it is reality.

[Cade_One]

@immutable_catholic

Among other things, you recognize the claimants to the papacy of the Vatican II sect to be Popes.

So you are Sede? I know you were not going to answer that question, but I think we have established this.

[immutable_catholic]

@Cade_One

There are many faiths and many traditions. I know this might sound “ambiguous” to you, but it is reality.

You make pathetic statements but never back them up with scripture or the Magisterium. Why is that!? Lol!!

[Cade_One]

@immutable_catholic

You make pathetic statements but never back them up with scripture or the Magisterium. Why is that!?

Because I am not retired and I have a Family. I do not have hours and hours to go digging through two thousand years of Church teaching.

The quickness by which you respond leads me to believe that you either have these arguments pre-typed up and you are copying and pasting them or that you are using A.i. Are either of these an accurate assumption?

[immutable_catholic]

It’s a culmination of 25 years of studying the Catholic faith, collecting and collating my studies in my computer.

I was once married but now a widower with five grown kids. I actively did this learning why having a family. So don’t give me any excuses why you actually don’t know the faith but only your own stupid opinions that are called the doctrines of men, that destroy you and send you to hell.

Colossians 2:22 Which all are unto destruction by the very use, according to the precepts and doctrines of men.

Matthew 15:9 And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.

Its very interesting to me that you have found so much time today on a Wednesday to respond to my posts with your nothingness.

[immutable_catholic]

Cade, did you know that there is a prophecy for the term sedevacantism?? Did you know that there is a prophecy where Jesus takes away the pope, the sacrifice because of sins? There is so much that you don’t know and how so clueless you really are.

Take careful notice of the power to bind and loose and the keys of the house of David and the throne of David. Jesus refers to him as a father and as a peg in the sure place which would be the office of the papacy and how the peg would be removed and the cups that hung on him which indicates the wine portion of the sacrifice, it would perish because Jesus ordained it because of sins.

Isaias 22:20-25 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliacim the son of Helcias, And I will clothe him with thy robe, and will strengthen him with thy girdle, and will give thy power into his hand: and he shall be as a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda. And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open. And I will fasten him as a peg in a sure place, and he shall be for a throne of glory to the house of his father. And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father’s house, divers kinds of vessels, every little vessel, from the vessels of cups even to every instrument of music. In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall the peg be removed, that was fastened in the sure place: and it shall be broken and shall fall: and that which hung thereon, shall perish, because the Lord hath spoken it.

Wow! So interesting. Do you see how clueless you are???

It even talks about instruments of music of the church too and how it will end.

Isaias 24:5-13 And the earth is infected by the inhabitants thereof: because they have transgressed the laws, they have changed the ordinance, they have broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore shall a curse devour the earth, and the inhabitants thereof shall sin: and therefore they that dwell therein shall be mad, and few men shall be left. The vintage hath mourned, the vine hath languished away, all the merryhearted have sighed. The mirth of timbrels hath ceased, the noise of them that rejoice is ended, the melody of the harp is silent. They shall not drink wine with a song: the drink shall be bitter to them that drink it. The city of vanity is broken down, every house is shut up, no man cometh in.
There shall be a crying for wine in the streets: all mirth is forsaken: the joy of the earth is gone away. Desolation is left in the city, and calamity shall oppress the gates. For it shall be thus in the midst of the earth, in the midst of the people, as if a few olives, that remain, should be shaken out of the olive tree: or grapes, when the vintage is ended.

Apocalypse 18:22-24 And the voice of harpers, and of musicians, and of them that play on the pipe, and on the trumpet, shall no more be heard at all in thee; and no craftsman of any art whatsoever shall be found any more at all in thee; and the sound of the mill shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of the lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, for all nations have been deceived by thy enchantments. And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.